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This thread is one of many reasons why I never read any if Merlins posts on any thread, ever. I only read the first couple of lines of Erin's link. He's not someone I could ever get on with or like and nothing he ever has to say is aid interest to me.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
What is the difference between paying taxes to the government to feed the hungry, care for the sick etc and paying taxes to the church to do the same?
The stock answer would be that one can freely choose whether or not to join a church.
As one is free to choose whether or not to live in a country. After all, there are places in the world with no income tax.
So, to bring in my second question: if you choose to abrogate responsibility, you are not really abrogating it at all. Ummm.... Doesn't sound logical to me but it might to MtM, who knows?
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
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Originally posted by monkeylizard:
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every time "We The People" turn this responsibility for our neighbors over to Gov't we have abrogated that responsibility.
seems to be a direct call for action for each of us to get involved with charitable activities. That it's the responsibility of the neighbor, of the community to take care of one another. He's proposing a different way to provide for the starving children, not to leave them to die.
Yes but who in their right mind really thinks that enough people will take action to provide sufficient support for all those that need it?
And even if they did, why should children be forced to rely on "charity" for the fundamentals they need to survive?
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Why should anyone?
Given that, AFAIK, the minimum wage for full-time work cannot provide -- that is, purchase safe housing, adequate nutrition, clothing, and medical care -- for the needs of a single adult anywhere in this country, and that official "poverty levels" for various forms of public assistance are so low that the working poor qualify for few if any forms of aid, that's a damned good question.
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Originally posted by Apocalypso:
Like you, I am sure he was not "concerned about the philosophical implications" of his experience.
I am equally certain that he is not especially grateful for the "help" received, either.
Just because a job is done wrong doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all. The solution for abuse is not disuse but right use.
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I'm not arguing it shouldn't be done; I'm saying what someone else said earlier in the thread: we need justice. Charity doesn't get us there, but it's a necessary if hideous stopgap until justice, or the revolution perhaps needed to achieve it, is done.
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Unfortunately revolutions don't guarantee justice either.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Unfortunately revolutions don't guarantee justice either.
And not charity either.
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I'm pissed-off and not gonna take it anymore. Our poor are starving, the border's being overrun, the President is a Nazi...time to lock and load!
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The problem with this thread is that Merlin never appears. I don't know what he said about hungry children, but from reading other posts of his it was most likely rubbish - he writes piffle and thinks little. The world today is too complex for old fashioned charity to meet society's needs. Get used to government being necessary and big government at that. Otherwise America's days as number one in the world are numbered.
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Originally posted by Alfred E. Neuman:
I'm pissed-off and not gonna take it anymore. Our poor are starving, the border's being overrun, the President is a Nazi...time to lock and load!
Since when do the lock-and-load crowd give half a colon load about the poor starving?
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Originally posted by Wisewilliam:
The problem with this thread is that Merlin never appears. I don't know what he said about hungry children, but from reading other posts of his it was most likely rubbish - he writes piffle and thinks little. The world today is too complex for old fashioned charity to meet society's needs. Get used to government being necessary and big government at that. Otherwise America's days as number one in the world are numbered.
Answering a hell call is not a requirement.
Actually, I think Merlin has been trying to do more brainstorming of late on the Purg thread--and with less windup language--and as a result, even though he hasn't won a following, some of us have our normal blood pressure back. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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If I were Merlin, I would leave flee government incompetence, theft, and slavery for the land of perfect freedom: Somalia.
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You waited two days to post the same damn point everyone has been posting on the Purg thread?
You must have a very boring social life.
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
205, did you know they were hiring a couple Wal-Mart positions in my town here a couple months ago?
Part time cashiers. Two of them. Less than 20 hours a week.
They received over 1,000 applications.
At my job, our recent receptionist hiring post received 418 applications, including some folks with Ph.D.s
Anyone who has a job right now should be thanking their blessed stars and shutting their damnfool mouths.
ICAM Spiffy, here in the Bay Area places where you used to be able to get a quick gig like Target and Walmart simply aren't hiring.
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Originally posted by Erin:
You want children to starve.
Rubbish. He was making a theoretical point.
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Originally posted by PhilA:
This thread is one of many reasons why I never read any if Merlins posts on any thread, ever. I only read the first couple of lines of Erin's link. He's not someone I could ever get on with or like and nothing he ever has to say is aid interest to me.
He's a bit way out being raised a Mormon, but I happen to rather like his posts.
Not that you'd give a shit. But I don't about your opinion either.
But seeing as we are all irrelevant and totally useless whingers, I thought I'd add my fun whinging.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
If private charity "worked" we wouldn't have publicly-funded charity.
Amen, brother! THIS is true. I am so sick of Christian equating bootstrap mentality with Scripture. They seem to overlook that churches AREN'T NOT ABLE to save everyone. There is a dearth of Churches providing medical care, providing food, providing shelters. The programs that do (like Second Harvest, an organization I donate to and promote as much as possible) have really morphed into non-profit organizations. Not "let's open our bibles and turn to page..." places.
IF churches were doing their parts to solve the problem, THEN I might say we should not be looking at the gov't providing $$ to help the poor.
But the churches lack and suck in this way for the most part, sans a few examples.
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i think that God is wanting us to provide for each other, be it food, clothing, etc.... and that is our priviledge. Also, I think that God wants me/us to ask each other for help and tries to teach us to take care of one another. When Cain asked "am i my brothers keeper?" he already knew that the answer was "Yes."
The wife and i give to charities but so what. We give from our abundance so ours is not usually sacrifical giving, but i assume that the people who are provided for don't care that i'm a crummy chrisian who has not learned much about love, they are just hungry.
There is a neat poem on or near the Statue of Liberty......."give us your poor, tired, etc."
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St. Punk the Pious
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I have read and reread the offending post from Merlin the Mad. And it utterly fails to deserve Erin's invective. He is saying good intentions and guilt trips have resulted in federal programs that do more to perpetuate poverty than to address it. He is not saying starve the children. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Reasoned disagreement with his post is one thing. That's what Purgatory is for. But Erin's hell call?
Erin, you are the one who is acting in less than a Christian manner in this case.
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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
I have read and reread the offending post from Merlin the Mad. And it utterly fails to deserve Erin's invective. He is saying good intentions and guilt trips have resulted in federal programs that do more to perpetuate poverty than to address it. He is not saying starve the children.
Reasoned disagreement with his post is one thing. That's what Purgatory is for. But Erin's hell call?
Erin, you are the one who is acting in less than a Christian manner in this case.
Punk (and Merlin for that matter),
You mention that Federal programs perpetuate poverty but I have to ask if faith-based schemes, if they tried to address the same problems over the same timescales would not do so too. These may also be full of good intentions and guilt trips.
Volunteer-based schemes often look wonderful, but volunteer labour is too often worth every penny.
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Sioni, as you can tell, there are no easy answers. Jesus didn't say the poor would always be with us for nothing.
Even at the parish level, it is not easy to know what to do. There are a number of homeless in my very small church's neighborhood. And we frequently have to make on-the-spot calls whether a hand-out would help or hurt the one who asks.
I hope Erin doesn't think we are starving people on those occasions when we say no.
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If you truly believe government agencies have the capacity to compassionately care for the public, try parking your car at a post office while mailing a letter or buying stamps, as compared to parking it at a department store.
At a post office you will be greeted by a sign:
"Staff parking only. Mere customers with the temerity to park here will have their car towed away, crushed, and disposed of at their own expense."
At a department store, you will be provided with free parking. Period.
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Originally posted by Silver Faux:
Try parking your car at a post office.
Or at a church, for that matter. "Reserved for Sister Pancretia" or "Reserved for Father Adeodatus" seems to be the norm -- also "No parking in front of church" (why the devil not?). Although, in their defense, some churches do post "Reserved for visitors" signs.
Or at a medical office. "Doctor parking only" for the choicest spots.
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I hope Erin doesn't think we are starving people on those occasions when we say no.
I do, because that is exactly what happens.
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Which proves my point.
Anyway according to statistics:
* In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.
* The infant mortality rate is closely linked to inadequate nutrition among pregnant women. The U.S. ranks 23rd among industrial nations in infant mortality. African-American infants die at nearly twice the rate of white infants.
* One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.
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Jesus didn't say the poor would always be with us for nothing.
I guess if you have to rely on an quote devoid of its context you can justify anything by Scripture. Christ's point was that His time on earth was limited, not that we should not seek societal structural solutions to poverty or try to end poverty if we have the means to do so.
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Originally posted by Silver Faux:
If you truly believe government agencies have the capacity to compassionately care for the public, try parking your car at a post office while mailing a letter or buying stamps, as compared to parking it at a department store.
At a post office you will be greeted by a sign:
"Staff parking only. Mere customers with the temerity to park here will have their car towed away, crushed, and disposed of at their own expense."
At a department store, you will be provided with free parking. Period.
[I'm sure I'll regret this but...]
If you live in a rural or isolated area find out how quickly mail service would disappear (or how expensive it would become) if there wasn't a government agency ensuring that everyone receives mail at the same cost, no matter where they live. And they do so fairly efficiently (98% of mail arrives at its destination within 5 days) at an extremely cheap cost - $120/per person in taxes per year, plus less than a dollar in postage for a first class letter - is impressive even by private standards.
The "compassion" comes from the fact that rural and isolated citizens aren't punished for where they live.
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And poverty in the U.S. is perpetuated by unequal support and opportunities for poor people. They generally live in rural and inner city areas, served by poorly funded and poorly maintained schools which deliver a substandard education. This hobbles them from going on to vocational school or university (which is becoming too expensive even for many middle class people), which is the gateway to the middle class.
If you want to do something to end poverty, fund public schools equally from a state or federal level like other countries (who have higher social mobility indexes) do.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by Silver Faux:
Try parking your car at a post office.
Or at a church, for that matter. "Reserved for Sister Pancretia" or "Reserved for Father Adeodatus" seems to be the norm -- also "No parking in front of church" (why the devil not?). Although, in their defense, some churches do post "Reserved for visitors" signs.
Or at a medical office. "Doctor parking only" for the choicest spots.
Surely the reason why there is usually ample parking by a big department store is that the store was built with the understanding that people would show up in cars. It's much harder to provide enough parking when the building has been around for longer than widespread car ownership, as is the case with many post offices, doctors' surgeries and churches, and there just isn't enough space for everyone to park unless you demolish the surrounding buildings. At my local surgery and my local church, free on-site parking is reserved for people who are disabled and need to park close to the door. Which is as it should be. And okay, yeah, there's staff parking too - it seems reasonable that if someone works there every day they shouldn't have to drive around for an hour looking for somewhere to park.
On the other hand, the extortionate rates for parking near a great many UK hospitals demonstrates how badly things can go wrong if the private sector is allowed to get their grubby mitts on the purses of sick people and their loved ones.
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Amen.
It might also help to raise wages to somewhere within hailing distance of what it actually costs to live.
The book is old news now, but Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickel and Dimed shows that low wages with lack of medical benefits coupled with high housing costs drive workers into poverty. Meanwhile, official government poverty levels set for various assistance programs set eligibility for aid at unrealistic levels.
A single working adult cannot survive on $7 or $8 an hour (and that's a huge chunk of the labor force -- retail and restaurant workers, et. al.), yet makes too much to qualify for most publicly-funded assistance.
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Originally posted by Liopleurodon:
The extortionate rates for parking near a great many UK hospitals demonstrates how badly things can go wrong if the private sector is allowed to get their grubby mitts on the purses of sick people and their loved ones.
Never mind parking -- just look at the health insurance industry in the United States!
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I can understand how Merlin can debate his points because he doesn't claim to be Christian. I find it utterly bizarre that Christians cite a sentence fragment Christ makes in a peculiar circumstance to make the point that we shouldn't make an effort to meet the needs of the poor and reduce poverty.
It's odd that this fragment is universalized but Christ's instruction to the rich man who followed the law isn't, particularly when the early Christians thought that sacrificial giving to the poor was universal demand.
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17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.
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You have to ignore a whole lot of scripture to sustain the modern hyperindividualist notion that the demand for sacrificial giving to help the poor is optional and perhaps if we have a little left over we'll give it away, otherwise they'll work it out somehow.
The Old Testament prophets were all about condemning the societies and governments of the day for not doing right by the poor. God even punished Sodom over it.
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"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy
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Originally posted by Gwai:
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Originally posted by Apocalypso:
A single working adult cannot survive on $7 or $8 an hour (and that's a huge chunk of the labor force -- retail and restaurant workers, et. al.), yet makes too much to qualify for most publicly-funded assistance.
Actually they can if they know how to budget. I've done it. However, I suspect no one could raise a family on that, probably, so the issue is still a live one.
And if a "huge chunk of the labor force" isn't able to survive on their wage, and can't apply for government assistance, then why aren't they all dropping like flies?
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Well, at a guess--
1. They're couch surfing at a friend or relative's place.
2. They're holding multiple jobs.
3. They are working for a slimy &*(%$ who is paying them under the table and omitting to take out the taxes.
4. They are charging their lives away on credit cards.
5. They are frequent flyers at the local food pantries.
6. They are living off previously-earned savings and/or the sale of personal possessions.
7. They've found someone who's willing to help support them (Hi, Mom!).
8. They are receiving part of their "salary" in kind--either in the form of a place to sleep, or as take home food (restaurant workers).
9. They are committing crimes of various sorts (drug dealing, defrauding welfare, etc.)
10. Any and all of the above (that'd be the people we serve in our community, then).
Welcome to my world.
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Or they're holding down 2 or 3 jobs. Read Nickled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America by Barbara Ehrenreich.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Or they're holding down 2 or 3 jobs.
I'm pretty sure lamb chopped had that on her list. Check #2 again.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Or they're holding down 2 or 3 jobs.
I'm pretty sure lamb chopped had that on her list. Check #2 again.
It bears repeating.
More generally, and as for Bullfrog's 'And if a "huge chunk of the labor force" isn't able to survive on their wage, and can't apply for government assistance, then why aren't they all dropping like flies?'
- the answer is that they do drop well before those on a decent wage. Before pension age most of the time. The poor also clog up prisons disproportionately, which is one way to get fed, housed and clothed.
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Originally posted by Squibs:
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Originally posted by 205:
Allow me to recommend Walmart...
Off topic, but you might be interested in reading
Nickel and Dimed
My only criticism of this response is that it took damn near 24 hours for someone to make it. The fact that 205 sang the hymn sheet well enough to get co-opted into Walmart's management is enough to discredit anything else he might want to recommend. All the same, I'd be interested to know what this new business of his is all about: Beelzebub Perpetual Soul Management Solutions anyone?
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Sorry to double post but, coincidentally, this press release pinged up in my in box while I was writing the above (yes, really!):
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Survey reveals high human cost of debt problems
A survey by leading debt charity Consumer Credit Counselling Service (CCCS) has revealed the high human cost of debt problems. The survey of 372 CCCS clients found that debt problems have a negative impact on people’s close relationships, their health and their ability to carry out their jobs. Alarmingly, 83 percent of those surveyed said that their debt problems had a very negative impact on their lives.
[majority of press release text excised due to our copyright rules]
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Kankucho Bird Blues
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Hostly disintegration ray armed
kankucho, posting the whole damn text of a press release is a potential copyright violation. And it ain't my job to investigate whether it's legit or not - I just delete the fucker and move on.
If you think it's relevant to this thread, please feel free to post a link to the press release if you can find one.
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Bullfrog.
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Touche. (to several of the above) Thanks for the reminder. ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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Yorick
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[Refering to the aftermath of the Doomsday device]
Dreyfus: What do you suppose they will call the crater, huh? The Dreyfus Ditch?
Dr. Fassbender: There shall be no crater.
Dreyfus: No crater? But I want a crater! I want wreckage, twisted metal. Something the world will not forget!
Dr. Fassbender: They won't forget today.
Dreyfus: They won't? Wonderful. I have to tinkle again. Don't do anything till I get back.
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moron
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Originally posted by kankucho:
The fact that 205 sang the hymn sheet well enough to get co-opted into Walmart's management is enough to discredit anything else he might want to recommend.
Who can argue. In my defense I had a family to feed, clothe and shelter, which I did, more than adequately. The most significant cost was my soul but I'm reclaiming it in increments.
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All the same, I'd be interested to know what this new business of his is all about: Beelzebub Perpetual Soul Management Solutions anyone?
You have two options: first is my All Saints Over The Rhine / Shipmeet thread (if you happen to be near Denver Labor Day weekend) or
if you're visiting Cañon City and you want to hook up for a cup of coffee, adult beverage or a meal, please PM well in advance. I'd love to meet people from this forum.
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kankucho
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quote:
Originally posted by 205:
quote:
Originally posted by kankucho:
The fact that 205 sang the hymn sheet well enough to get co-opted into Walmart's management is enough to discredit anything else he might want to recommend.
Who can argue. In my defense I had a family to feed, clothe and shelter, which I did, more than adequately. The most significant cost was my soul but I'm reclaiming it in increments.
![[Biased]](wink.gif) No worries, mate. You're corresponding with a man here who spent several years working for Government & Public Affairs at BP. Now excuse me while I go and iron my hair shirt.
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Kankucho Bird Blues
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What is this place?
Why am I here?
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I'm glad that you both managed to sell your souls and get decent jobs in corporate America.
Going back to 205's original point, though, it is no longer a no-brainer that you can get a job at WalMart these days. My son (who for some reason wanted to work there) had to hold out for over a year (back in 2006/7) before he got hired. And he had a connection with someone who wanted to hire him.
His boss loves him, but he sure as hell isn't going anywhere, simply slogging along in the same entry-level position and grateful to survive the waves of lay-offs.
I recently applied at the regional chain grocery store for a menial job (hoping to make a bit of money for fixing up the new house) and didn't even hear back from them.
And having considered how many people who are desperate for a job to pay the bills are competing for those WalMart and grocery store jobs, I can't in conscience look for a job simply to make a bit of extra money, even though I've lost my various side jobs and would like to continue to contribute a bit to the household funds.
It's a sad commentary on the economy when someone who is willing to work feels compelled to voluntarily remove herself from the job market for fear of taking away a job from someone who is desperate for it.
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Porridge
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Why didn't I listen? Why?
How many people on this thread, which I read and participated in, so I have no excuse whatever, said they never read MtM's posts (much less respond to them)?
Note to self: post and learn. Do NOT read or respond. The man's a suppurating mass of bogey-fears, all stinking up the fetid warrens of whatever he's using for a mind.
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Spiggott: That everything I've ever told you is a lie.
Moon: That's not true!
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Nicolemr
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There, there, Apocolypso. You aren't the only one; I did it too.
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Kelly Alves
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Well for one thing, it allowed us to see how sharp and knowledgable you are. Merlin is like a gerbil on a wheel.
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mousethief
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Hey Apoc, why was it necessary to dredge up this old boot? No offense or nothin'.
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