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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by leo:
Well, I have written reviews in peer-reviewed academic journals.
I expect you probably have, but that isn't really what the book thread is about. It's not really about posting frequent reviews of what you read for work, or something you've been asked to read, or something you've been paid a fee for reading. It's more about what you read for pleasure and what's made a particular impression on you. We could probably all post about what we read because we have to, or what we read for work, and it would likely make for some pretty uninspiring reading, worthy though it is.
Go on, read something frivolous for a change. It'll do you good.
See my comment in The Styx.
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Originally posted by chive:
I had an invigilator who would arrive at exams with a big box of sweeties and half way through the exam would put one on every desk.
That doesn't take away from the fact that leo is a cock though.
Inded, leo is a penis. His public wanking session here in Hell caused him to ejaculate all the way up to the Styx.
I believe that counts as cumming right in RooK's face.
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Holy Fuck, leo, would you rather I said you got your "book reviews" off the back of the book? I wasn't accusing you of plagiarism, but rather of being a pompous pseudo-inellectual blowhard who makes lots of posts about dense-sounding books to make himself sound smarter.
So far, your reaction to all this, including in the Styx, has pretty much confirmed my judgment to stay away from threads you post in. You know why I've never interacted with you? It's because your posts are so damn tedious and autoerotic that the time spent reading them to engage with you would be a waste. The only reason I force myself to do so now is to keep an eye on what the issues are on other boards before they become problems on mine!
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Originally posted by leo:
I do not respond to playground bullying. As a teacher, I just walked slowly towards it so that it melted away before I had to deal with it by cracking heads.
I hope to God you did more than just let the playground bullying melt away. Teachers should do their best to make school a safe place and that means no tolerance for bullying.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by leo:
See my comment in The Styx.
OK, having now had time to compose a reply and found that RooK isn't in favour of having it posted there, it can go here.
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Originally posted by leo:
On the specific issues of the book thread, it asked ‘Between the Covers (whatya reading?)’ not what did you read for pleasure.
I think the OPer probably assumed, as most of us did, that it would be about recreational reading, and most probably fiction. Tacit assumption, but I believe this to be a mainstream one, given the tenor of the vast majority of responses.
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– I take great pleasure in all sorts of books, especially academic books and I take great pleasure in my work, which is very lucky for me as many hate their work. I Love it.
Excellent. Glad to hear you enjoy all sorts of books, other than just theology.
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So why have the following non-frivolous people been called to Hell?:
(I'm assuming you left out the word "not" there.) Because most of these people have posted what are clearly one-offs. It's not as if they regularly and frequently post the same kind of non-fiction books almost on a daily basis - which can give the impression that someone is working their way down a reading list and essentially making journal notes on when they read what; or else that they are in the business of reviewing books. A sprinkling of these things would be fine and perfectly acceptable. Something that particularly impressed you or that you particularly disliked; just not a catalogue of everything read recently.
Sorry, Leo. I don't dislike you, but from your postings to the book thread, I just think that you would benefit from at times putting some of the heavy stuff aside and doing something light, yes, even superficial, purely for the fun of it. I'm sure the theology books provide you with a lot of intellectual stimulation and food for thought. But when did they last make you laugh, or move you emotionally?
Ah well. We are as we are, but "all things in moderation" is still as true today as when first put forward.
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Curiosity killed ...
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
I just wish I recognised one of the books I've read and leo's review as the bearing some relation to one another.
If you could tell me one of these books, I will gladly correspond with you about the differences. Until such time, this is just a hearsay allegation that argues that either you or I, or both, are ignorant or have too much to read.
I can't remember them all - but the reason I called you to Hell for this last year was the combination of the daily posts of worthy books showing off erudition, rather than saying "Oh, wow, have you read this, it's fantastic" which is rather what I thought the book thread was aiming for, and the fact that of the books on the daily reading list posted I really didn't recognise any of the books I'd read as the same books. I hadn't read enough of them to be certain, and the Hell call was partly in the hope others had picked this up too.
One book in particular that has stuck in my mind because it was the Lent book we used in 2010 was one of the Robert Warren and Sue Mayfield Life books - in which your book review made absolutely no mention of the fact that it's not a reading book, but structured course notes exploring a theme, and you don't sit down and read it, that's not the point of it. I also didn't recognise what you said the book was about either, my impression of your review was that you'd read the sleeve notes only.
But there were several others that I don't remember now, and life is far too short to go through last year's book thread to prove a point.
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Evensong
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Oh for fuck's sake people, get over it.
leo isn't as bad as Yorick or Mudfrog or Ingo or Curiosity killed... or Zach or Sioni Sais*
They are most certainly going to hell.
leo is just a head person.
(* but only for his beard)
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Originally posted by Evensong:
Oh for fuck's sake people, get over it.
leo isn't as bad as Yorick or Mudfrog or Ingo or Curiosity killed... or Zach or Sioni Sais*
They are most certainly going to hell.
leo is just a head person.
(* but only for his beard)
'Everyone to his own fancy,' as the old woman said when she kissed the cow.
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That's a bit of a soft, pomo response Amos. Surely you can do better than that. Being an ancient shippie 'n all.
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Evensong, I wish you would get over it. But I don't think I'll get my wish, because you sure as fuck can't or won't.
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Evensong, I wish you would get over it. But I don't think I'll get my wish, because you sure as fuck can't or won't.
To be fair, Evensong raises a valid point. There are posters more annoying than leo. Evensong, for example.
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Zach82
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Oh for fuck's sake people, get over it.
leo isn't as bad as Yorick or Mudfrog or Ingo or Curiosity killed... or Zach or Sioni Sais*
They are most certainly going to hell.
leo is just a head person.
(* but only for his beard)
Sigh... when it comes to Hell calls, I'm always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
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I think you'll find, leo, that Evensong's reference was to Sioni Sais's beard rather than yours.
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Sioni nicked his from Cezanne.
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Originally posted by Evensong:
That's a bit of a soft, pomo response Amos. Surely you can do better than that. Being an ancient shippie 'n all.
He just compared you to a cow kisser. What do you want, to be called a goat fucker?
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Love this hell thread, people grabbing the spotlight one after another. It's sort of like Hell Idol.
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I think I'm squirrelling that idea away for the next H&As (you will, of course, be credited as the onlie begetter).
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Evensong
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Originally posted by rugasaw:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
That's a bit of a soft, pomo response Amos. Surely you can do better than that. Being an ancient shippie 'n all.
He just compared you to a cow kisser. What do you want, to be called a goat fucker?
I like cows. They're holy in some places ya know.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I think I'm squirrelling that idea away for the next H&As (you will, of course, be credited as the onlie begetter).
Onlie begetter? Is that in the creeds?
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Evensong
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LOL. Thought it was a typo.
Come to think of it Lamb Chopped, we could also have a Heaven Idol on the H&A's day. You would certainly make at least the quarter finals.
Bless your cotton socks.
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An die Freude
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Originally posted by Evensong:
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Originally posted by rugasaw:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
That's a bit of a soft, pomo response Amos. Surely you can do better than that. Being an ancient shippie 'n all.
He just compared you to a cow kisser. What do you want, to be called a goat fucker?
I like cows. They're holy in some places ya know.
Isn't Leo too?
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He certainly thinks he is. It is that complete lack of humility that really gets up winds people to be honest - rather than any of his specific theological or social opinions.
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Oh come on, that's not fair - there's the sanctimonious pomposity as well.
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fletcher christian
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maybe he's short
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
maybe he's short
Maybe he's your height.
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Evensong
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Originally posted by MSHB:
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
maybe he's short
Maybe he's your height.
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Originally posted by Siegfried:
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
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Originally posted by leo:
I have written reviews in peer-reviewed academic journals.
Have I ever mentioned Queen Elizabeth waved at me once? It's true. I swear.
(Somehow when I imagine leo's peers, Pee-wee Herman comes to mind.)
I once exchanged the peace with Mr. Rogers...
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There you go, lording your height over all of us. You jerk.
Zach
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In these days of recession and economic doom and gloom I have to ask, do you really need quite so many inches?
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Now, people, leo can't help that he is smart, tall, and erudite and knows it. Bless his heart.
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Zach82
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He could at least write with shorter words and stoop when around us.
Zach
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Internet inches?
The reach should always exceed ones grasp.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Zach82:
He could at least write with shorter words and stoop when around us.
Zach
I'd be happier with fewer words.
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laying the traps is just too easy for this one
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Originally posted by Alfred E. Neuman:
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Internet inches?
The reach should always exceed ones grasp.
"Or what's a Heaven for?" (Browning)
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I was wondering which of you Victorian pedants would step forward with an attribution.
“There, that is our secret: go to sleep! You will wake, and remember, and understand.”
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Speaking of attributions...
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Originally posted by leo, here:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
OK. Pending leo's explanation of his absent colon
Rook said,"And, NO, I don't want to discuss leo here any more. Please stop, and keep that misery in Hell where it belongs." above. So it isn't pending any more.
Well, since you appear to have run under Rook's skirts in the Styx, let's bring it here, where it's still pending.
You claimed to have attributed the text quoted en bloc in this post by your innovative use of a colon to signify "anything after this point may be a quotation".
As has been pointed out, in that instance, there ain't no colon.
Rather than own up to this on the Styx thread, you instead appear to attempt to justify taking the words out of others' mouths and passing them off as your own by referring to some socialist notion of the non-ownership of ideas (here).
(Unfortunately for you, as I argued here, while the article makes for a mildly interesting read on the rights and wrongs of copyright and intellectual property, irrespective of the politics, it actually sympathises with the objection to the wilful presentation of words penned by others as one's own without due attribution).
So which is it? Are you going to fess up and admit there's no colon where you claim there was? Or are you going to try and worm your way out of it on ideological grounds?
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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Oh for fuck's sake people, get over it.
leo isn't as bad as Yorick or Mudfrog or Ingo or Curiosity killed... or Zach or Sioni Sais*
They are most certainly going to hell.
leo is just a head person.
(* but only for his beard)
Sigh... when it comes to Hell calls, I'm always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
Zach
Well if it is any consolation to you, I once very nearly did furnish you with your very own hell thread, but then I figured it would just amount to the worst hell call ever.
Try harder next time and I might well ask for your hand...
There again, I'd rather you didn't bother.
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Eutychus offers us this twisted thought:
...under Rook's skirts...
Now that is a truly disturbing image, whether it be leo in the Styx or Miss Scarlett in the Lounge.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
So which is it? Are you going to fess up and admit there's no colon where you claim there was? Or are you going to try and worm your way out of it on ideological grounds?
Um, why does it matter? I mean, seriously. What do you want from this person? A confession and apology for trying to make himself appear clever on an internet discussion board by allowing people to think he's some sort of great literary critic? So the fuck what? What if he does admit it? Will that help you to sleep at night? Do you need his confession and apology to affirm your life in some way? If he refuses, your having rather cornered him, why should you care?
Why do people get so heated up about this sort of shit on here?
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People tend to get their hackles up over phonies, Yorick. But then, you knew that.
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[x-p'd with Alf, who was spot-on.]
I can't answer for Eutychus, but it matters for me as simple matter of honesty - let's say "integrity", to cover all the bases.
I can't know whether anyone on these boards is really straight with us all or not, of course, unless I know him/her IRL. Having subsequently met IRL at least one person I've had serious issues with on the Ship , I know him to be "for real" and (ISTM) a really decent chap.
But I know leo on several occasions to have been challenged on distinctly dodgy lines of argument and then him back them up with stuff that subsequently turns out to have been lifted whole and entire from other sources without anything like proper attribution (in some cases without attribution at all). Usually, such tactics fail to address the issues raised at all, so do not in fact strengthen his case.
But, when called on it, he usually denies that he has done any such thing: sometimes he claims he made it clear he was quoting, sometimes he claims to be ignorant of the source, sometimes he claims he was paraphrasing, and sometimes he claims all of the above at the same time.
In other words, despite being repeatedly called on this - over a span of years, by Hosts as well as plain shippies - he continues to be profoundly misleading (at best) and outright deceptive (at worst) and rather than fess up, he always prevaricates and throws smoke in our eyes. But his deceit and evasion are so obvious as to constitute an insult.
The worst thing about his conduct, as far as I'm concerned, is that it is a mad-making cocktail of dismissve arrogance, pseudo-intellectualism, slipperiness and (comparative) ignorance. Haughty but naughty.*
If nothing else, it is deeply contemptuous of the intelligence and integrity of his fellow shippies and (if he but knew it) makes him look really rather shabby.
Och, I'll stop there because part of my frustration is that I rather like the daft spud - and that just leads to vicarious cringing. He's not exacttly the Stalin of the Ship. But if he just cut the fibs he'd be so much better a shipmate.
*In the Prayer Book sense.
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It annoys me for much the same reasons as Chesterbelloc's given.
If it makes you happy, Yorick, I'll admit it. People who, rather than admit they've made a mistake, hunker down (or in this case, hilariously, go crying to an admin), divert attention, quote articles hoping to blind with science, and eventually, when cornered, just shut up and hope people will forget before re-offending somewhere else, push all my buttons. Plus what I've said about undermining confidence.
Most of the "interaction" I've had with leo has been on the "seen any good films lately" thread (ie we are both habitual posters on it). I thought that thread was about people swapping their personal impressions of films they'd watched. That's certainly how I've contributed.
I'd thought before that leo had watched rather a large number; now I'm left wondering whether they aren't all just some cut-and-paste film reviews. It leaves a nasty taste, and it's an insult to other posters.
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And I just called him arrogant. My self control astounds me. Sighs in self appreciation and luxurious Schadenfreude*
*Rejoicing in someone else's downfall, bad luck, outing....
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
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Eutychus offers us this twisted thought:
...under Rook's skirts...
Now that is a truly disturbing image, whether it be leo in the Styx or Miss Scarlett in the Lounge.
I suspect Col. Mustard under Rook's skirts in the library with a wrench...
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