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Hope
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Crap spouted by L'organist:
Aussi cette fois demain nous pourrions enfin être libre des goûts de Rab C Nesbitt, les râleurs perpétuels qui pensent Braveheart était l'histoire véritable, et les banquiers qui coûtent chaque homme, femme et enfant au Royaume-Uni plus de 800 livres pour renflouer une banque et qui gardent gémissant comment ils ne nous aiment pas.

Au revoir - obtenir votre passeport prêt si vous voulez venir sud.

Could you be any more insulting of people who have been following the issues in this campaign for months now, weighing up the pros and cons, registering to vote in record numbers, with luck *voting* in record numbers, just because some of those voting will have different priorities from you and have dared to vote accordingly?

* 'm sorry to single you out and that your comment in particular finally drew me out of lurkerdom. * have been following this thread for days, and the lack of respect for the skotsk* people to make this decision for themselves from so many posters, some of whom * have a great deal of respect for myself, is palpable. Intelligent, informed people have been voting on both sides today. The fact that some of them have come to a conclusion that some people here disagree with does not make them more ill-informed.

If this is one of the better threads out there on the subject, then God help us (* mean that literally).

* Norwegian for the S word to get round the word filter, if that's acceptable.

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If this is one of the better threads out there on the subject, then God help us

It was until H&A day impacted us. Normal service may be resumed later.

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The first polling station is now closed, as 100% of their electorate have voted!
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The first polling station is now closed, as 100% of their electorate have voted!

The ****s there must have thought free whiskey was being given out.

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quote:
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The first polling station is now closed, as 100% of their electorate have voted!

The ****s there must have thought free whiskey was being given out.
Or maybe they were just intoxicated by the rare instance of effective democracy.
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We'll only start to worry when we get to 120% turnout [Two face]

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Reading here * came on this:

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Confidence rose after the insiders said the postal votes - nearly a quarter of the total ballots cast - showed the No campaign winning comfortably.
which is a bunch of horse puckey as far as predicting the final vote, since support for Yes has been rising, thus rising since the time those absentee ballots were cast.

* 've seen a race lost, and the balance over the course of the counting change from jubilation to defeat, because the absentee ballots voted different from the at-the-polls ballots.

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They aren't counted in advance - they are counted at the same time as the rest of the ballot aren't they ?

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They aren't counted in advance - they are counted at the same time as the rest of the ballot aren't they ?

Yes, but many of them will have been cast a couple of weeks ago - before the Better Together campaign gave more detail on the increased devolution options. Or at least a timetable.

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* don't know about ****land.

The race * 'm thinking of, the at-the-polls ballots were counted first in each municipality, then the mail-in ballots. The candidate * supported had been on a rising tide of popularity, and we were encouraged that the early results on Election Night showed him with a slim lead. Then the mail-in ballot counts started to come in, and his lead shrank and shrank and shrank and finally van***ed completely.

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Was amused by this off the BBC's live updating page:

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NPR International Correspondent Ari Shapiro: My fav fun fact about #****land #Indyref: The final result that the counting officer reads is legally binding, EVEN IF SHE GETS IT WRONG.
Movie plot ...?

[ 18. September 2014, 21:38: Message edited by: Doublethink ]

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A " rare instance of effective democracy"? A well rigged electorate shows just how effective the democracy is, and may be a good indication of things to come. 2 votes for any man wearing a kilt perhaps?

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GeeD, would you care to enlarge on quite how you think an electorate of 4million odd has been 'rigged'?
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AIUI, those of ****s birth still of UK citizenship but presently living outside ****land are unable to vote.

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That's an interesting definition of "rigged". Yes, the eligible electorate was defined as the same as would be the case for any other election but including 16 & 17y olds (who would be eligible to vote in any other election if the Riaghaltas na-h Alba was allowed to make that decision - and, besides, will be old enough to vote come the next election any way). Yes, it has been a sore point for some that because they currently reside in another country they don't get a vote. It doesn't seem to have stopped them having a say though, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were some voters who were wavering but eventually went one way or the other because of the views of friends and relatives unable to vote.

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Since when have we allowed posts in French or other foreign languages, even with a translation let alone without? We have only done so on the occasional thread where that has been explicitly permitted. Though a few occasional words to cleverly circumvent current censoring during H&As Day is something we can overlook, maybe admire.

But pimple and L'Organist have been here long enough to know better. Just because the H&As are having a bit of fun making things harder for everyone doesn't give others the right to muck around and make it harder for the H&As. So, they now have a short break from posting.

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Given that l'organist at least has been consistently in opposition to you on this thread. Alan, the expression that comes to mind is 'nemo judex in causa sua'. Which for those who insist on a translation is 'no man [shall be] judge in his own cause'. And if you don't like that * don't care.

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The first polling station is now closed, as 100% of their electorate have voted!

The ****s there must have thought free whiskey was being given out.
Or maybe they were just intoxicated by the rare instance of effective democracy.
Whisky, you mean. And * understand that the pubs have extended hours tonight.

Oh yes, and if Alex Salmond says "Until the next time..." in his speech tonight, * will collect my twenty dollars from all of you and Salmond will have to pay royalties to the Estate of Réné Levesque.

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BBC predicting an 8% no majority. That will depress some yes people, * think, if it's true.

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Firenze

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And * understand that the pubs have extended hours tonight.

Since the polls closed at 10 pm - which is within normal opening hours - * can't see extended hours having any impact on voting behaviour.

You don't achieve the nigh on 90% turnout which is currently being reported from all airts by people staggering out the pub at the last moment. * think you have to accept that the result, be what it may, was actually arrived at in a state of sobriety.

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That's an interesting definition of "rigged". Yes, the eligible electorate was defined as the same as would be the case for any other election but including 16 & 17y olds (who would be eligible to vote in any other election if the Riaghaltas na-h Alba was allowed to make that decision - and, besides, will be old enough to vote come the next election any way). Yes, it has been a sore point for some that because they currently reside in another country they don't get a vote. It doesn't seem to have stopped them having a say though, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were some voters who were wavering but eventually went one way or the other because of the views of friends and relatives unable to vote.

Not much of a say in the outcome, though, if you can't vote.

Again, AIUI ****s who are presently out of the country - perhaps on a 3 year contract elsewhere - are eligible to vote in an election. Why not a r*******um? That is very much rigging the electorate.

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Again, AIUI ****s who are presently out of the country - perhaps on a 3 year contract elsewhere - are eligible to vote in an election. Why not a r*******um? That is very much rigging the electorate.

That assumes that the expatriates would all vote uniformly and therefore excluding them weights the results.

All electoral registers are subsets: it seems to me eminently reasonable that the criterion is [* ]people living in ****land[/* ] - after all, we are the ones who are going to have to thole the outcome.

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From an article on the BBC website from 2012:

"Announcing a consultation on the * *******ence vote last week, ****t*** Secretary Michael Moore said he was proposing that the same electorate should vote in the r*******um as a ****t*** Parliament election."

As far as * can tell, although ex-pat Britons can keep up their right to vote in UK elections for up to 15 years if they keep registering annually, they are not eligible to vote in regional government elections eg the Welsh Assembly or ****t*** Parliament. This is of course according to Wikipedia!

Michael Moore is part of the Westminster ruling coalition, not the ****t*** government.

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And * understand that the pubs have extended hours tonight.

Since the polls closed at 10 pm - which is within normal opening hours - * can't see extended hours having any impact on voting behaviour.

You don't achieve the nigh on 90% turnout which is currently being reported from all airts by people staggering out the pub at the last moment. * think you have to accept that the result, be what it may, was actually arrived at in a state of sobriety.

* have no doubt about the sobriety of the vote, but it is convenient to drown one's sorrows, whatever they are.

More on the point, * find it unusual to have to wait four hours for results. In Canada poll staff count ballots on site and phone in the results (* 've worked five elections) you only have to wait an hour.

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quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
Given that l'organist at least has been consistently in opposition to you on this thread. Alan, the expression that comes to mind is 'nemo judex in causa sua'. Which for those who insist on a translation is 'no man [shall be] judge in his own cause'. And if you don't like that * don't care.

1. This admin concurs with Alan's decision.

2. Take it up in the Styx.

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Alan Cresswell

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Again, AIUI ****s who are presently out of the country - perhaps on a 3 year contract elsewhere - are eligible to vote in an election. Why not a r*******um? That is very much rigging the electorate.

As someone currently out of the country (on a 2 year half time contract), it is correct to say that people in my position are eligible to vote, and have done so (though as the ballot paper didn't arrive until Tuesday evening it is questionable whether it arrived in time to be counted). People of my acquaintance who have been out of the country longer (eg: 4 years) are not elligible to vote - although to my knowledge they may have been able to retain their right to vote under specific circumstances.

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Firenze

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When you say 'on site' do you mean at the polling station? There are 5,579 of those: guaranteeing an assured level of accuracy and oversight at all of them would be an ask. * can see why transporting them to 29 local authority centres is preferable - but it does mean delays. * understand there are at least some held up by an accident on the A9, and others having to come by f***ing boat because helicopters are grounded by the weather.

There is also a perception - voiced by the woman who has the job of announcing the final total - that is important that the vote is accepted as accurate and unquestionable. A few hours to guarantee that is time wisely spent.

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Clackmannan has declared. 46% Yes 54% No on an 89% turnout.
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On election nights in the US, there is wall-to-wall television coverage on the networks and the cable news shows as the results come in -- some of us even make a night of it with friends. Are you all glued to the TV or the radio over there tonight?
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In a Parliamentary election (for the house north or south of the border) the larger number of smaller constituencies would result in a steady flow of results being announced. People do tend to stay up and watch - although elections on a Thursday and needs of work the following day do impact that. Tonight, with only 32 results the counting will take longer and results come in less steadily. It would be tempting to go to bed, set the alarm for 5am and be up early to get the last results - though sleep could be very elusive.

Though for me it's a case of having BBC news open while sitting at my desk working.

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Looking out down our street * can see one other house with lights on, so * 'm assuming that in this bit of South Edinburgh folk are keeping calm and going to their beds. But tbh round here they would probably be doing that even if it was hurtling asteroids.
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Orkney 33% Yes 67% No on 83% turnout. Mind you, Orkney would probably be agitating for * *******ence from ****land.
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Shetland declares: 36% Yes; 64% No; turnout 84.4%.

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But otoh they're like Orkney - pining for the fjords.
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Closer to Oslo than Edinburgh

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Sure. But on the other hand, bookmakers PaddyPower were already offering odds of 33-1 on a Yes outcome a couple of hours ago.

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Western Isles: Yes 9195; No 10544; turnout 86.2%

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Western Isles declaring - * notice Gaelic has no word for 'r*******um' - another No vote, also a high turnout.
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When you say 'on site' do you mean at the polling station? There are 5,579 of those: guaranteeing an assured level of accuracy and oversight at all of them would be an ask. * can see why transporting them to 29 local authority centres is preferable - but it does mean delays. * understand there are at least some held up by an accident on the A9, and others having to come by f***ing boat because helicopters are grounded by the weather.

There is also a perception - voiced by the woman who has the job of announcing the final total - that is important that the vote is accepted as accurate and unquestionable. A few hours to guarantee that is time wisely spent.

Yes, that is what * meant. Legally the result is not official in Canada until the Returning Officer for the Riding counts the ballots, but that is an actual recount.

Even in the Québec R*******ums, ballots were counted onsite at the polling station. Each side can (and did) appoint multiple scrutineers for each poll.

In Québec the polls closed at 9PM and we had the results by 11PM. Jacques Parizeau shot his career in the foot at 11:30PM (he was tired and emotional).

As this is the Circus, * 'll wager that Salmond will utter "Until the Next Time" and Cameron will rue actually delivering on his constitutional reforms, as Trudeau and Chrètien did.

* see the PQ has a number of official delegates in ****land. You did know that the CBC would find them, right? [Disappointed]

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Inverclyde declares: Yes 49%; No 51%; turnout 87.4%.

* think, personally, that it's almost all over for the Yes campaign and * expect to be in bed by 4.

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Inverclyde declares: Yes 49%; No 51%; turnout 87.4%.

Though, round to one decimal place and it's **.1% vs 49.9%. Which is close.

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Again, agreed - only 86 votes in it.

But if Yes can't win places like Inverclyde and Fife (which is expected to be 55% to No) they definitely can't win overall.

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Alan Cresswell

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Agreed. A few areas will probably report a narrow Yes majority, but over all Yes needs to be getting several areas with >55% on their side to balance out the number of areas that are going to be coming in more strongly against.

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Renfrewshire declares: Yes 47%; No 53%; turnout [high].

Dundee declares: Yes 57%; No 43%; turnout 78.8%. This proves the universal prediction that Dundee would be "Yes City".

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Dundee gives 57% yes ... a few more like that and it could be very close indeed.

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Dundee was the first really strong "yes" -- * 'm watching the Guardian unfold it. Really waiting for Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Perth, etc.
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And ... West Dunbartonshire's in at 54% yes...

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West Dunbartonshire declares: Yes 54%; No 46%; turnout 88%.

Midlothian declares: Yes 44%; No 56%; turnout 86.8%.

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East Lothian declares: Yes 38%; No 62%; turnout 87.6%.

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Stirling declares: Yes 40%; No 60%; turnout 90.1%.

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