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quetzalcoatl
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Quite a lot of ****s don't believe they have been offered devo-max. It was all couched quite vaguely, some by Labour politicians, whom Cameron thanked through gritted teeth.

Well, the proof of the pudding will be interesting.

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This leftie thinks Mr Cameron's speech is good.

Me too. First time * 've heard him without cringing. * 'm in shock. And what with Gordon Brown being passionate and Salmond sounding statesmanlike, * don't know what's come over them all.
Checked horizon and saw no sign of either horsemen or flying pigs. Must be one of those miracle things that the Bible talks about.

My ****t*** boss was also very complementary about Ruth Davidson. As he calls Cameron the "moon faced twat", this is quite radical!

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It strikes me that all the party leaders are pretty much screwed as a result of the vote and campaign. Salmond should hand over to Nicola Sturgeon - far more able and much less of a bully. The other leaders looked hapless and at the mercy of events. They were all manipulated by Salmond and Gordon Brown. Milliband comes out worse because he was upstaged by every Labour grandee around and in the end was deliberately hidden from sight. Clegg's credibility problem remains in spite of all his efforts. Cameron is the obvious victor but has this ridiculous tendency to lurch from one disaster to another making things up as he goes along.

Please God, save us from Boris and Nigel. Amen!

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It's a vicious circle. London sucks talented people out of "the regions" so naturally enough these people end up doing their stuff there. If we could enable people to achieve where they are we wouldn't have this issue.

That could be taken care of very easily within a couple of decades - by having an ***l*** Parliament sitting in Manchester. [Biased]

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It's a vicious circle. London sucks talented people out of "the regions" so naturally enough these people end up doing their stuff there. If we could enable people to achieve where they are we wouldn't have this issue.

That could be taken care of very easily within a couple of decades - by having an ***l*** Parliament sitting in Manchester. [Biased]
Another tier of career politicians housed in new overspent multi-million pound Parliament building?
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Another tier of career politicians housed in new overspent multi-million pound Parliament building?

How else do you deliver real democracy for the E-n-g-l-* -s-h?

[ 19. September 2014, 12:29: Message edited by: Adeodatus ]

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Another tier of career politicians housed in new overspent multi-million pound Parliament building?

How else do you deliver real democracy for the E-n-g-l-* -s-h?
Well it doesn't deal with the London issue but ***l*** MPs can legislate alone on specifically ***l*** matters. Let them have two jobs - UK MPs and ***l*** MPs and perhaps that will fill their time.

[Damn fell into that trap]

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If the 16 and 17 year old's votes are removed from the calculations, does anyone know what the percentages would be?

Is there such a breakdown anywhere?

Rather difficult with a secret ballot
Exit polling etc.
[Roll Eyes]

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Alan Cresswell

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What difference would it make?

What * want to know is are those voters going to be suddenly disenfranchised? It would be a tragedy if having inspired a new young generation to get involved in politics and deciding their future that is then snatched back from them.

Of course, they probably are going to be (well, except for the few who have an 18th ******** between now and May).

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Well it doesn't deal with the London issue but ***l*** MPs can legislate alone on specifically ***l*** matters. Let them have two jobs - UK MPs and ***l*** MPs and perhaps that will fill their time.

Which raises the amusing possibility of having a UK parliament with a slim majority for one party (let's call it "Labour") but an E-word parliament with a slim majority for another party (let's call them "Conservative").

Would we make the government and opposition trade benches depending on whether this was an E-country day or a UK-day?

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Leorning Cniht
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What * want to know is are those voters going to be suddenly disenfranchised?

Yes. The chance of having a reform in the UK voting age between now and the next election is zero. Everybody has known this ever since the proposal to allow 16-and 17-year-olds to vote in the referwhatnot was mooted.

This "disenfranchisement", as you call it, was built in. Nobody needs to go acting all surprised and disappointed about it.

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Sad, sad day - * was rather looking forward to living in the WENIP (Wales, ***land, Northern Ireland, and Poland)!

(Which would have turned the egregious UKIP into WENIPIP......).

[Waterworks]

BTW, my ancestry is ****t***/French.....

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What difference would it make?

What * want to know is are those voters going to be suddenly disenfranchised? It would be a tragedy if having inspired a new young generation to get involved in politics and deciding their future that is then snatched back from them.

Of course, they probably are going to be (well, except for the few who have an 18th ******** between now and May).

It won't make any difference to the r*******um result. But it would be interesting nevertheless.

You ask if those 16 & 17 year olds are going to be disenfranchised. Well yes they are. Because UK law says the voting age is 18 - and rightly so.

But at a more basic level, how do we even know if they voted unless we make a statistical analysis of the vote. So we may not be disenfranchising them anyway.

But let's be frank eh? My own view is that the numbers would have been even more humiliating for the Yes campaign had the age restriction been left at 18. Others may disagree but until we get some breakdown of voting patterns it's all guesswork anyway.

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That could be taken care of very easily within a couple of decades - by having an ***l*** Parliament sitting in Manchester. [Biased]

Birmingham, surely? It being the second city, and all.

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What * want to know is are those voters going to be suddenly disenfranchised?

Yes. The chance of having a reform in the UK voting age between now and the next election is zero. Everybody has known this ever since the proposal to allow 16-and 17-year-olds to vote in the referwhatnot was mooted.

This "disenfranchisement", as you call it, was built in. Nobody needs to go acting all surprised and disappointed about it.

And they will get their turn in due course. It's not like it was a one time offer.

Hopefully some of the people who registered and voted for the first time will maintain the interest as well. It's hard to tell what impact they had as they're unlikely to be polled.

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If the 16 and 17 year old's votes are removed from the calculations, does anyone know what the percentages would be?

Is there such a breakdown anywhere?

Rather difficult with a secret ballot
Exit polling etc.
[Roll Eyes]

Wasn't allowed. Based on the young people interviewed on TV, it may have been fairly evenly split. Some voted yes because they wanted the opportnity to be involved in building something new. Others voted no because they were worried that the version of * *******ence on offer would limit their future opportunities education and career-wise.

Everyone * saw interviewed had put alot of thought into their vote. It was really encouraging!

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1'm almost disappointed that the Skots didn't vote NO... But am looking forward to the fallout and the turning upside down of UK politics - the vote is still very damning, with 45% of the 5kots population wanting to leave the union, there has to be some change. This will also change N Ireland - since the unionists with their 5kots heritage will have to also take notice of what has happened. The voting also indicated the general attitude of voters to recent social policies.

Just as long as the NHS doesn't become the main flagship of UK national identity. This is really dangerous - it would be a signal for all the pharma sharks and lobbyists to start circling looking for a bigger cut of money to be spent on useless drugs.

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That could be taken care of very easily within a couple of decades - by having an ***l*** Parliament sitting in Manchester. [Biased]

Birmingham, surely? It being the second city, and all.
Yeah, but it's geographically down south. Viewed from here anyway. But seriously, this does give rise to the follow up - how do we avoid a second London, being great for itself but feeding the rest of us with a few crumbs under the table? * 'm not saying * have answers.

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You ask if those 16 & 17 year olds are going to be disenfranchised. Well yes they are. Because UK law says the voting age is 18 - and rightly so.

Of course, we all know they wouldn't get the vote come May. There's not time to extend the franchise to all young adults by then, even if there was the political will to do so. And, the vast majority of these particular individuals will be 18 by the next ****t*** Parliamentary election anyway. They only have to wait a year or two to vote again anyway.

* 'm interested why it's right that young adults considered old enough to leave school and find work, fight and die in our military, get married, go to university (well the 17yos anyway) and basically do everything else any other adult can do. But, you think it's wrong that they can't participate in the election of representatives to a government that will significantly affect the next 5 years of their lives. What is so wrong about extending the vote to include 16 and 17 year olds?

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Birmingham, surely? It being the second city, and all.

Yeah, but it's geographically down south. Viewed from here anyway. But seriously, this does give rise to the follow up - how do we avoid a second London, being great for itself but feeding the rest of us with a few crumbs under the table? [/QB]
It was common for the monarch and his court to tour the country and rule from different places. A nomadic parliament would solve some problems. It would sit near most people some of the time. By using existing conference facilities there would be no need for a new parliament building. The influx of MEPs (Members of the ***l*** Parliament ... the potential confusion could exceed the ability of UKIP brains to resolve, which would be no bad thing) and associated advisors would be lots of business for hotels and restaurants spreading money around the country.

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Exit polling etc.
[Roll Eyes]

Wasn't allowed.
Really? Now that is interesting. Which side pushed for that? More to the point, why didn't they want exit polling?

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Birmingham, surely? It being the second city, and all.

Yeah, but it's geographically down south. Viewed from here anyway. But seriously, this does give rise to the follow up - how do we avoid a second London, being great for itself but feeding the rest of us with a few crumbs under the table?

It was common for the monarch and his court to tour the country and rule from different places. A nomadic parliament would solve some problems. It would sit near most people some of the time. By using existing conference facilities there would be no need for a new parliament building. The influx of MEPs (Members of the ***l*** Parliament ... the potential confusion could exceed the ability of UKIP brains to resolve, which would be no bad thing) and associated advisors would be lots of business for hotels and restaurants spreading money around the country.
l’m not so sure. The process of moving the EU parliament between just two cities (Brussels and Strasbourg) is an absolutely outrageous waste of everyone’s time and money.

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* 'm not sure what an exit poll would have achieved. A possibly erroneous prediction of a result you simply had to wait a couple of hours to know anyway.

* don't think anyone actually banned exit polling. It's just that it costs a lot of money to have all those people standing around polling stations to find out how people voted, and then try and do some statistical analysis to account for all the biases from polls - with the added problem of not really knowing how the biases for a r*******um differ from those for other elections. Rather than banning exit polls, * got the impression it was just that no one thought it important enough to actually pay for one.

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That could be taken care of very easily within a couple of decades - by having an ***l*** Parliament sitting in Manchester. [Biased]

Birmingham, surely? It being the second city, and all.
Yeah, but it's geographically down south. Viewed from here anyway. But seriously, this does give rise to the follow up - how do we avoid a second London, being great for itself but feeding the rest of us with a few crumbs under the table? * 'm not saying * have answers.
Birmingham is too close to London IMO anyway

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That could be taken care of very easily within a couple of decades - by having an ***l*** Parliament sitting in Manchester. [Biased]

Birmingham, surely? It being the second city, and all.
Yeah, but it's geographically down south. Viewed from here anyway. But seriously, this does give rise to the follow up - how do we avoid a second London, being great for itself but feeding the rest of us with a few crumbs under the table? * 'm not saying * have answers.
Birmingham is too close to London IMO anyway
But it's at the centre of the E road and rail networks, virtually nowhere in E is more than 3.5 hours from it (stand fast Truro), and it's the greatest city in the kingdom...


Birmingham Council House is also pretty big. Although the Mercian Nationalists discussed about 20 pages ago do want it for their own government so it may get a bit crowded...

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Exit polling etc.
[Roll Eyes]

Wasn't allowed.
Really? Now that is interesting. Which side pushed for that? More to the point, why didn't they want exit polling?
Don't know, but quite a few of the news sites commented that exit polls weren't allowed.

Further research shows that no one was prepared to pay for one, although there was an Ipos Mori poll done during the day that suggested the no vote had won and had fairly accurate figures.

Tubbs

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*cough*Newcastle*cough*Sunderland

No. We need somewhere further North. The Liverpool-Leeds strip could be considered a distributed city that might work better.

And HS2 trains to run direct from European cities rather than requiring a change and transfer at London. As it is, HS2 is just a fast commuter line for well-paid bankers to live in the nice bits of the country but work in London.

[ 19. September 2014, 15:15: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

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*cough*Newcastle*cough*Sunderland

No. We need somewhere further North. The Liverpool-Leeds strip could be considered a distributed city that might work better.

And HS2 trains to run direct from European cities rather than requiring a change and transfer at London. As it is, HS2 is just a fast commuter line for well-paid bankers to live in the nice bits of the country but work in London.

Gateshead?

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Regarding anonymity of ballots -- is that true? * saw an interview with some official in Glasgow about the 10 duplicate ballots, and he said they were able to retrieve them because each ballot had a numerical code, which seemed to indicate that the ballot's numerical code was recorded with each person who voted -- so that they knew which numbers they were looking for.

Obviously the ballots are anonymous if you don't have the checking-in list with the names and ballot numbers together (assuming * 've inferred correctly that such a list exists, which * 'm not sure * have), but are there laws which prevent putting these together after the fact to do analysis?

Not that * 'm advocating doing that putting-together; * think anonymity of ballots is a good thing. But * 'm puzzled about what the Glasgow official said.

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M62 Corridor should be it IMO

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What is different about Glasgow from Edinburgh and Aberdeen that Glasgow went Yes and Edinburgh and Aberdeen went No?

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Regarding anonymity of ballots -- is that true? * saw an interview with some official in Glasgow about the 10 duplicate ballots, and he said they were able to retrieve them because each ballot had a numerical code, which seemed to indicate that the ballot's numerical code was recorded with each person who voted -- so that they knew which numbers they were looking for.

Obviously the ballots are anonymous if you don't have the checking-in list with the names and ballot numbers together (assuming * 've inferred correctly that such a list exists, which * 'm not sure * have), but are there laws which prevent putting these together after the fact to do analysis?

Not that * 'm advocating doing that putting-together; * think anonymity of ballots is a good thing. But * 'm puzzled about what the Glasgow official said.

That's the same as with all UK elections. The ballots from general elections are stored in St. Stephen's Tower (aka - wrongly - Big Ben). You can indeed work out who voted for who if you have the electoral registration list and the key to the tower!

[Michael Caine]Not a lot of people know that[/Michael Caine]

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Listening right now to Alex Salmond's resignation press conference - and the early signs that the guarantees re progress on DMax may well have hit an early (Milliband) road-block.

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Ι have to admit that part of me is now hoping that there will be a move to push for Enngland to gain indeppendence from the rest of the UK. Can we make that happen, please?

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It strikes me that all the party leaders are pretty much screwed as a result of the vote and campaign. Salmond should hand over to Nicola Sturgeon - far more able and much less of a bully. The other leaders looked hapless and at the mercy of events. They were all manipulated by Salmond and Gordon Brown. Milliband comes out worse because he was upstaged by every Labour grandee around and in the end was deliberately hidden from sight. Clegg's credibility problem remains in spite of all his efforts. Cameron is the obvious victor but has this ridiculous tendency to lurch from one disaster to another making things up as he goes along.

Please God, save us from Boris and Nigel. Amen!

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If ****t*** MPs are expected to recuse themselves from certain votes in future then Clegg could end up in power again after the next election if he can deliver Miliband a majority in ***land as well as the UK. Given that the Lib Dems have been banging on about a Federal Britain for years it must be heartening, if somewhat surprising, to see it on the agenda. More generally it doesn't help the Tories to be seen as a party of government if everyone is reminded that a large swathe of the UK regards them as entirely toxic.

***l*** ressentiment towards devolution has hitherto been the pot that would not boil. If that changes then the Faragistes could be the obvious beneficiaries. But then that's primarily at the expense of the Tories as well.

Before this lot kicked off * would have put the last election down to Miliband by a nose, quite possibly in a coalition with the Lib Dems. * don't think that this changes that very much. But it might affect Miliband's ability to govern, should he win, in all sorts of interesting ways.

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Regarding 16 and 17 year-olds, polling by Lord Ashcroft suggests that 71% of them voted 'Yes'.
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Oh, because of the silly changes to the site that link is buggered. Will re-post when sense has returned.
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You can use tinyurl.com to get a URL that probably won't be buggered.

[ 19. September 2014, 16:34: Message edited by: Autenrieth Road ]

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Will wait until the inmates have stopped running the asylum.
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By my calculations, excluding the 16 & 17 year olds makes the result 56% and 44%.

Not much difference.

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* think HCH had a good idea in setting up a separate post vote thread, so consider this one's days numbered. 24 hours for last thoughts and reminiscences, then it get's closed.

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deano, thanks for the information about ballots. Now * 'm imagining St. Stephen's Tower slowly filling up with ballots until one day there's no room left and then where will they be?

* suppose there's something dull like a statutory period of retention, after which they can be shredded, thus avoiding the prospect of a tower full of paper and nowhere to go.

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Listening right now to Alex Salmond's resignation press conference - and the early signs that the guarantees re progress on DMax may well have hit an early (Milliband) road-block.

Sounds like an Anglican b***op going to the Ordinariate - * 'm going to go, but will stay collecting my salary for quite a bit longer, thanks. After such a thumping defeat, he should resign immediately.

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Oh, because of the silly changes to the site that link is buggered. Will re-post when sense has returned.

* 've never agreed with you before but this site has gone to shit.
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WELL DONE SKOTLAND: Not the result some were hoping for, but everyone had their say and large numbers voted. There were some raised voices - but no windows were kicked in, no punches thrown, no threats of violence (let alone - god forbid - guns fired or cars bombed). You did good Skotland, you should be proud!

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A good note on which to close the thread with thanks to one and all.

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