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Mudfrog
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In my previous appointment there were a lot of asylum seekers. One of them told me that she thought the west should recolonise Africa...
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Sioni Sais
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In my previous appointment there were a lot of asylum seekers. One of them told me that she thought the west should recolonise Africa...
How many was that? One. One person desperate to get out of Africa.
That's hardly a reliable source.
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Mudfrog
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
In my previous appointment there were a lot of asylum seekers. One of them told me that she thought the west should recolonise Africa...
How many was that? One. One person desperate to get out of Africa.
That's hardly a reliable source.
Well, accepting that it was only one person, I look at the fact that she is an asylum seeker due to her party political activity in the country she came from, and wonder who's opinion you would accept? The ruling dictatorship that violently forced her out of her country?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
In my previous appointment there were a lot of asylum seekers. One of them told me that she thought the west should recolonise Africa...
How many was that? One. One person desperate to get out of Africa.
That's hardly a reliable source.
Well, accepting that it was only one person, I look at the fact that she is an asylum seeker due to her party political activity in the country she came from, and wonder who's opinion you would accept? The ruling dictatorship that violently forced her out of her country?
Heck no, there are many violent, arbitrary, undemocratic and corrupt regimes in Africa, but I don't accept that recolonisation would solve problems either, as violence, arbitrariness and corruption was then rife, democracy was entirely absent and Africa wasn't run for the benefit of any Africans.
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Mudfrog
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And just to be clear, I don't believe that we should recolonise either. (tangent, the asylum seeker was in a country ruled by the Germans, btw)
It was interesting though just to hear it - I was very surprised, to be honest.
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Stetson
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Saudi Vs. IS beheadings
The writer says that Saudi Arabia has carried out twice as many beheadings since Janurary as ISIS has carried out executions of westerners. But I would like to know what crimes exactly the Saudis were punishing. If most of them were murders(and I don't know), I don't think it's quite the same level of moral atrocity as executing an aid-worker.
That said, it does remain the case that interventing in the mideast these days basically boils down to forming alliances with thugs, against other thugs.
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Doublethink.
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I think there may also be methodological differences.
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Stetson
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Do you mean methodological differences in the way the behadings are tallied?
If so, I'd agree that could be a factor in the higher Saudi ranking, since an organized government like that will likely have more complete records, whereas a slapdash outfit like ISIS might keep a lot of its killings off the books.
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Doublethink.
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I mean how they are carried out, I have deliberately avoided watching any videos, but I have previously read descriptions in news media.
I understand the Saudis use a trained swordsman who will strike off the head of a kneeling victim with one or two blows, whereas paramilitaries are frequently basically trying to hold someone still enough to saw off their head with a combat knife or hit their neck repeatedly with a machete.
I understand foreign low paid workers are far more likely to get sentenced to death in Saudi, than Saudi citizens. Rather like the black white difference in the US.
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chris stiles
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I understand foreign low paid workers are far more likely to get sentenced to death in Saudi, than Saudi citizens. Rather like the black white difference in the US.
Additionally, certain crimes show a suspiciously high clear up rate - with a guilty verdict following a confession under questioning. Torture has been frequently suspected.
There are a number of crimes - other than murder - for which a death penalty is used - including sorcery and adultery (though in the past this has been punished by stoning rather than beheading).
The death penalty in other parts of Saudi Arabia are not always carried out by professional executioners, in the past families of the victims have chosen to execute the perpetrators themselves.
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Curiosity killed ...
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Amnesty International on the death penalty - even including China, where the figures are a state secret and more people are put to death than the rest of the world put together, Saudi Arabia is one of top 5 countries for the number of people they sentence to death. Drug dealing, adultery and murder are amongst their capital crimes.
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