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Yep, MT, you're pulling a Neymar on that one.
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English please?
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English please?
This is a reference to a soccer player "taking a dive". I expect JFH implies you have dived in with insufficient regard for the possible consequences. Don't worry though, there's a lot of it about.
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You cried havoc and let loose the language of war over what was obviously fair play. How's my grammar, btw?
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You cried havoc and let loose the language of war over what was obviously fair play. How's my grammar, btw?
Is that in reply to me or Mousethief? You are free to play the man instead of the ball in Hell but give us a clue which man you are playing.
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"Taking a dive" would mean someone hit me legally and I was trying to get them thrown out of the game by appealing to the referees with a false show of injury.
I'm having a real hard time seeing how this applies.
Oh, and "how's my grammar"? Really? A little childish, aren't you?
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by JFH:
You cried havoc and let loose the language of war over what was obviously fair play. How's my grammar, btw?
Is that in reply to me or Mousethief? You are free to play the man instead of the ball in Hell but give us a clue which man you are playing.
Mousethief. Sorry for lack of clarity.
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"Taking a dive" would mean someone hit me legally and I was trying to get them thrown out of the game by appealing to the referees with a false show of injury.
I'm having a real hard time seeing how this applies.
Or it could mean exaggerating a situation beyond reckoning or reason. Calling racism on Twilight's reasonable argument was.
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Oh, and "how's my grammar"? Really? A little childish, aren't you?
I thought it pretty apt given the start of this thread and your reference to English (as if football/soccer wouldn't be!). Ah well. I think you'll live.
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I'm trying to work out how pointing out that someone has gold teeth and tattoos makes Twilight a racist. To me those are signifiers of class, not race.
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I thought it pretty apt given the start of this thread and your reference to English (as if football/soccer wouldn't be!). Ah well. I think you'll live.
My God, you're a dolt. Asking for a translation of something into English isn't denying that football is an English game. It's asking for a translation of something into English. The implication being that "pulling a Neymar" isn't a standard phrase in the part of the world I inhabit.
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mousethief
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I'm trying to work out how pointing out that someone has gold teeth and tattoos makes Twilight a racist. To me those are signifiers of class, not race.
Really? What class is a tattoo a marker of? What class are gold teeth a marker of?
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I know where tattoos and gold teeth are not usually found -- on sweet pre-teen kids whose only interest is candy and baseball. If the prosecution can, as it did, actually bring in and wave around a bag of Skittles to try and put the latter picture in the minds of the jury then I think it's only fair for the defense to have pointed out features that are usually found on an older, tougher person.
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Skittles, not a gun, was the impression I received. That what Martin had was innocuous, no matter the age of the carrier.
Why "sweet"? I have tattoos, and whilst sweet may not be the best descriptor for me, I know a lot of truly sweet people with tattoos. Also educated, high earners; lawyers, doctors, engineers.
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I'm trying to work out how pointing out that someone has gold teeth and tattoos makes Twilight a racist. To me those are signifiers of class, not race.
Really? What class is a tattoo a marker of? What class are gold teeth a marker of?
Replace "class" with "race" and you've made Ruth's point for her.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by RuthW:
I'm trying to work out how pointing out that someone has gold teeth and tattoos makes Twilight a racist. To me those are signifiers of class, not race.
Really? What class is a tattoo a marker of? What class are gold teeth a marker of?
You don't know? How many successful politicians and folks in business have you seen sporting either?
Sure, lots of people get tattoos these days, but people who think they're going to get ahead in life still for the most part get those tattoos in places covered by business attire. In general, if you have a stake in the system, you don't get tattoos visible in a business suit, and you sure as hell don't get gold teeth.
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Sure, lots of people get tattoos these days, but people who think they're going to get ahead in life still for the most part get those tattoos in places covered by business attire. In general, if you have a stake in the system, you don't get tattoos visible in a business suit, and you sure as hell don't get gold teeth.
Were Trayvon's tattoos in places that couldn't be hidden by a business suit? I don't remember seeing any photos of his tattoos.
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I don't know. I was speaking in general. Which is why I said, you know, "in general."
But if you want to call someone a racist, make it BWSmith, and I'll be on board with that. Though perhaps he deserves his own thread?
(And while I'm at it, thank you for re-posting the Mousethief Cooler recipe a little while ago in Heaven. I stumbled across it last Friday and blessed your name several times on Saturday.)
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But if you want to call someone a racist, make it BWSmith, and I'll be on board with that. Though perhaps he deserves his own thread?
There's a winner. My God, he doesn't think there are white people who hate black people, and he thinks all racial tension is caused by black people being vindictive (or I suppose you could use "uppity"). What a tool.
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(And while I'm at it, thank you for re-posting the Mousethief Cooler recipe a little while ago in Heaven. I stumbled across it last Friday and blessed your name several times on Saturday.)
Good stuff ain't it? Awesome sauce on a hot day.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by JFH:
I thought it pretty apt given the start of this thread and your reference to English (as if football/soccer wouldn't be!). Ah well. I think you'll live.
My God, you're a dolt. Asking for a translation of something into English isn't denying that football is an English game. It's asking for a translation of something into English. The implication being that "pulling a Neymar" isn't a standard phrase in the part of the world I inhabit.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord show you the imperfections of your words in ways more gentle, patient and wise than I ever could, and be gracious to you.
May the Lord turn his face toward you, and give you peace.
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Prayer as personal attack. Nice. Very Christian.
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Hey, it's a venerable Christian tradition, taking shots at people under the guise of lifting up concerns in prayer.
Lord, I just pray for JFH, that he would just realize what a douchebag he is.
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Awright, it was a jerk move. But so was not getting (or acting as if not getting) that the bit about the English* was pure snark. As well as not responding to the pertinent point but instead going full out on an accusation of stupidity for twisting your rhetorics. Not sure who's the dolt, but I'm done here.
*Language and sport.
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Actually, I'd take even that back if I could.
Mousethief, I wanted to support Twilight as I considered her falsely and excessively zealously accused of racism. I attempted to do that in hellion style, with snark and wits and clever language, but failing to communicate that proved that I evidently couldn't master that. I cannot be sorry for my failing command of the English language (which you are indeed a master of, given your talent for stylish putdowns and oneliners) as it's not due to lack of trying, but I am sorry for not realising that the temptation of snark may really be a temptation of pride, and for acting that out and placing my own pride before you as a human being and offending you and other Christian brethren for a cheap attempt at bolstering my own sorry excuse for a self-confidence.
In conclusion: I maintain that I think you went too far and out of line in accusing Twilight of racism, but I admit that I failed to communicate that and that I also added another motive of pride and subjected you to that. I'm sorry for that.
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JFH, you're some 50 kiloposts behind Mousethief, that accounts for some of the difference.
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mousethief
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True. Much better than personal attack without prayer. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I dunno. Assholity, or assholity PLUS blasphemy. I'm going to say you're 180° wrong here.
I won't say how unusual I find that.
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Awright, it was a jerk move. But so was not getting (or acting as if not getting) that the bit about the English* was pure snark.
Uh, no. I don't follow football. I don't have a fuck's idea who Neymar is. That you think everybody knows what you do about football says something about you. I'm not sure what. Something not very flattering, though.
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Prayer as personal attack. Nice. Very Christian.
Happens a lot. Sadly. It always amazes me how the person doing it doesn't seem to think everyone else is onto what they're doing.
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JFH was not trying to get away with anything, he was trying a bit of clever snark. He has since apologized very nicely and humbly to the mighty Mouse. What's more he defended me. I think he's great. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Who said anything about getting away with anything?
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Originally posted by Twilight:
JFH was not trying to get away with anything, he was trying a bit of clever snark.
Amen sister.
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Originally posted by JFH:
Actually, I'd take even that back if I could.
Mousethief, I wanted to support Twilight as I considered her falsely and excessively zealously accused of racism. I attempted to do that in hellion style, with snark and wits and clever language, but failing to communicate that proved that I evidently couldn't master that. I cannot be sorry for my failing command of the English language (which you are indeed a master of, given your talent for stylish putdowns and oneliners) as it's not due to lack of trying, but I am sorry for not realising that the temptation of snark may really be a temptation of pride, and for acting that out and placing my own pride before you as a human being and offending you and other Christian brethren for a cheap attempt at bolstering my own sorry excuse for a self-confidence.
In conclusion: I maintain that I think you went too far and out of line in accusing Twilight of racism, but I admit that I failed to communicate that and that I also added another motive of pride and subjected you to that. I'm sorry for that.
sheer class.
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That's not class.
That's lowering your standards and buckling to mousetheif's silly comment about being a nice Christian.
I thought he communicated via snark very well. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Originally posted by Evensong:
That's not class.
That's lowering your standards and buckling to mousetheif's silly comment about being a nice Christian.
I thought he communicated via snark very well.
Interesting. You (1) find complaining about blasphemy to be silly, and (2) applaud blasphemy, and (3) excoriate JFH for repenting of it.
Truly, all that matters to you in Hell is slagging off people you are jealous of. You get here, and any loyalty you ever had to truth or sanity or sanctity flies out the window, while you find people you think are unfairly lionized, and throw everything in your laughable arsenal at them.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by JFH:
Awright, it was a jerk move. But so was not getting (or acting as if not getting) that the bit about the English* was pure snark.
Uh, no. I don't follow football. I don't have a fuck's idea who Neymar is. That you think everybody knows what you do about football says something about you. I'm not sure what. Something not very flattering, though.
Indeed, I've failed repeatedly to communicate things in this thread. What I meant to communicate at this point was not frustration that you didn't understand my use of a football simile, but frustration that my subsequent use of your response, especially the reference to the English language, in order to add rather cheap snarkiness and attach it to previous criticism on this thread. It was intended to be unattached to the actual point of your argument, but sheerly snark at what could be seen as an unfortunate use of words. And then I went overboard, which I have already apologised for and remain sorry for.
I feel this original riposte has been constantly misunderstood, which has cast rather unfortunate light on my character - but even more so on my (lack of) skill for communication. (This is the main reason why I'd take back the post you quote, as it's blaming others for my own communicative faults.) I'll try to get better, and I'm sorry for the frustration caused by said malcommunication.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
That's not class.
That's lowering your standards and buckling to mousetheif's silly comment about being a nice Christian.
I thought he communicated via snark very well.
Interesting. You (1) find complaining about blasphemy to be silly, and (2) applaud blasphemy, and (3) excoriate JFH for repenting of it.
Truly, all that matters to you in Hell is slagging off people you are jealous of. You get here, and any loyalty you ever had to truth or sanity or sanctity flies out the window, while you find people you think are unfairly lionized, and throw everything in your laughable arsenal at them.
Pa-fucking-thetic.
Whereas you, mousethief, swing between piety and sanctimony on the one hand and sarcasm and bitterness on the other with no apparent mid point.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Whereas you, mousethief, swing between piety and sanctimony on the one hand and sarcasm and bitterness on the other with no apparent mid point.
What should the midpoint be, in Hell?
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Originally posted by JFH:
I feel this original riposte has been constantly misunderstood, which has cast rather unfortunate light on my character - but even more so on my (lack of) skill for communication. (This is the main reason why I'd take back the post you quote, as it's blaming others for my own communicative faults.) I'll try to get better, and I'm sorry for the frustration caused by said malcommunication.
Personally, I think your ability to forget other people's behavior in favor of analyzing your own speaks volumes to your character.
The sad thing is you will probably not get the same respect.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Whereas you, mousethief, swing between piety and sanctimony on the one hand and sarcasm and bitterness on the other with no apparent mid point.
What should the midpoint be, in Hell?
Not pretending to be a sanctimonious twit in Hell when it suits you.
There's no reason JFH can't wave a "get out of jail free card - this is Hell" if you can.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
But if you want to call someone a racist, make it BWSmith, and I'll be on board with that. Though perhaps he deserves his own thread?
There's a winner. My God, he doesn't think there are white people who hate black people, and he thinks all racial tension is caused by black people being vindictive (or I suppose you could use "uppity"). What a tool.
Fine, give me my own thread.
Of course there are "white people who hate black people", and vice versa. There are also people on both sides who coexist quite well, and those people encompass the vast majority of people I have encountered daily.
My beef with racial politics is best expressed in a quote from Booker T. Washington:
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."
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Originally posted by BWSmith:
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."
Is there any reason to suppose this "class" exists today even if it did a century ago (of which I am by no means convinced). Can you name any members of it? And how will your list differ from a list of those whom the KKK consider "uppity"?
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It's a shock to see this 100+-year-old statement, uttered in an entirely different context over 100 years ago, dragged up here.
I have seen this used before and know that this quotation has become a favorite bit of ammunition among white racial conservatives in the U.S.
I guess its appearance on SofF proves that, with certain topics, "Hell" is indeed Hell.
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All respect to Booker T. Washington (may light perpetual shine upon him), but if people of color are still being oppressed, people still have to speak to the problem- with vigor. Mr. Washington believed that if "colored people" -a polite term in his time- worked within the system current at his time and place, the South, and got education in industries with skilled jobs available to African Americans, that eventually, gradually the tide would turn. Frankly, he was afraid of white backlash, and with good reason. He lived in the South and I'm sure personally knew people who had been lynched.
Perhaps his style of civil rights activism was useful for its time. But in the later eras, civil rights would have been very slow in coming and many people would have lived and died without having the rights they now have. And there is no reason that people of today have to put up with any oppressive situations still around.
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Dudley Randall has a nice little poem that seems relevant.
BWSMith citing Booker T. Washington as precedent or justification for his views is right up there with saying "but some of my best friends are black!"
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I think the answer to Booker T. Washington's quote is Martin Luther King's letter from a Birmingham Jail
"You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in Birmingham, but it is even more unfortunate that the city's white power structure left the Negro community with no alternative."
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Regarding the thinking behind those who misuse that quote -- John Oliver, on a recent Daily Show with Jon Stewart, was discussing the Pope's "change of tone" on homosexuality. He pointed out that the dogma is unchanged ("the same hateful doctrine"), even though the tone is now rather nice. He then showed two visuals to illustrate a parallel with racial segregation.
First visual; during the days of segregation -- Two water fountains, side by side. One says "Colored only" the other says "Whites Only."
Second visual, following a "change of tone" -- Two water fountains. One still says "Colored only," but the other says: "Whites Only, but have a nice day." (With a smilie face.)
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It's a shock to see this 100+-year-old statement, uttered in an entirely different context over 100 years ago, dragged up here.
That would be because you're not familiar with BWRacist.
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
Is there any reason to suppose this "class" exists today even if it did a century ago (of which I am by no means convinced). Can you name any members of it?
Yes there is, and yes I can.
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
And how will your list differ from a list of those whom the KKK consider "uppity"?
Dunno. Are you calling me a Klan member?
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BWSmith
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Originally posted by roybart:
It's a shock to see this 100+-year-old statement, uttered in an entirely different context over 100 years ago, dragged up here.
The context is not different.
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Originally posted by roybart:
I have seen this used before and know that this quotation has become a favorite bit of ammunition among white racial conservatives in the U.S.
Calling me a racist?
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I guess its appearance on SofF proves that, with certain topics, "Hell" is indeed Hell.
Hell is always a group effort. Your contribution is appreciated.
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BWSmith
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
All respect to Booker T. Washington (may light perpetual shine upon him), but if people of color are still being oppressed, people still have to speak to the problem- with vigor.
Mr. Washington believed that if "colored people" -a polite term in his time- worked within the system current at his time and place, the South, and got education in industries with skilled jobs available to African Americans, that eventually, gradually the tide would turn. Frankly, he was afraid of white backlash, and with good reason. He lived in the South and I'm sure personally knew people who had been lynched.
Perhaps his style of civil rights activism was useful for its time. But in the later eras, civil rights would have been very slow in coming and many people would have lived and died without having the rights they now have. And there is no reason that people of today have to put up with any oppressive situations still around.
Agree totally! Thank you for the respectful post.
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BWSmith
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Originally posted by RuthW:
BWSmith citing Booker T. Washington as precedent or justification for his views is right up there with saying "but some of my best friends are black!"
If you can't argue like a man, bark like a dog.
(Sorry Ruth, I didn't bring my tennis ball.)
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