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Curiousity K quote: The only connection between this abuse case and the young men becoming radicalised is that the same sort of poverty and inequity that caused the assumptions about these girls discriminates against young Muslim men and radicalises them.
The actors in both cases are young Muslim men, plus, in the abuse cases, older Muslim men. Poverty and inequity may be significant in both cases, but it is the men who are the doers, not the girls.
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quote: Originally posted by deano: Just to be clear, I mean in the context of an all out war with islam should that ever happen. A war that islam starts to spread islam by the sword.
That's quite a step back from your first position on this thread.
What are you, some kind of miserable coward, waiting for the other guy to start the all-out war?
Or is this just your attempt to find a face-saving way of saying "Just to be clear, I have now clawed my way through the fog in my head to the dim realization that what I said before was really pretty fucking stupid."?
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Much as I hate to interrupt the discourse on Deano's socio-political profundities, there are reports that the killer of James Foley has been identified.
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quote: Originally posted by Dave W.: That's quite a step back from your first position on this thread.
No it isn't you illiterate fuckwit. I advocated dropping a nuclear weapon on the ISIS. That is very far from advocating killing all muslims. Don't put words in my mouth you prick.
quote: Originally posted by Dave W.:
What are you, some kind of miserable coward, waiting for the other guy to start the all-out war?
Er... don't look now but I believe the other guy has already started it. We just haven't bothered to turn up yet.
quote: Originally posted by Dave W.:
Or is this just your attempt to find a face-saving way of saying "Just to be clear, I have now clawed my way through the fog in my head to the dim realization that what I said before was really pretty fucking stupid."?
No.
Keep shouting at me. I have no problem with it at all. I love Hell. It's where I feel most at home.
But the sad part is that the peace-first hanky-wringers have absolutely no plan to deal with ISIS, and any plan drawn that has any military option in it to deal with ISIS will never be acceptable to the peace-first hanky-wringers.
The truly worrying thing that nobody has addressed yet is not that I have advocated what I have, but that I have felt the need to.
Consider this. Robert O. Paxton puts forward the theory in his book "The Anatomy of Fascism" that the reason why enough people gravitated towards the Nazi's in pre-war Germany to elect them into power was because none of the mainstream parties had any plan to deal with the issues facing Germans, but that the Nazi's did.
That plan of course was abhorent, but it was a plan. Someone upthread said somethign about "show me a plan that is appropriate, timeley and I'll show you a plan that is wrong" or whatever. The point is people want a plan. It doesn't have to be perfect, or even right, but it does have to exist.
The recent increase in anti-islamic feeling in the West - and you can't deny that it is increasing - is explained by Paxton's theory in my view.
The mainstream parties have no answers. The peace-first hanky-wringers have no answers.
I've said on a number of occaisions that my choice for leader of the Conservative Party in the last leadership election was Ken Clarke. I am on the left of the party, I support the welfare state, reasonable taxation, gay marriage and women bishops! And yet in dealing with islam I feel forced down a route that is alien to my views on other matters. I am not alone.
You can shout and bitch at me all day and I'll return the compliment, but the elephant in the room is that marginal parties with an answer will start attracting votes away from the mainstream parties who don't have an answer, and you may well not like those marginal parties at all.
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Dave W.
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quote: Originally posted by deano: quote: Originally posted by Dave W.:
What are you, some kind of miserable coward, waiting for the other guy to start the all-out war?
Er... don't look now but I believe the other guy has already started it. We just haven't bothered to turn up yet.
Oh? What about this? quote: Just to be clear, I mean in the context of an all out war with islam should that ever happen.
Well, has it started or hasn't it? Just to be clear, I mean. quote: quote: Originally posted by Dave W.:
Or is this just your attempt to find a face-saving way of saying "Just to be clear, I have now clawed my way through the fog in my head to the dim realization that what I said before was really pretty fucking stupid."?
No.
Keep shouting at me. I have no problem with it at all. I love Hell. It's where I feel most at home.
Somehow I'm not surprised that you have a lot of experience with people shouting that you're an idiot. (And who's shouting at whom?) quote: The truly worrying thing that nobody has addressed yet is not that I have advocated what I have, but that I have felt the need to.
Well, that may be the truly worrying thing for you, but assuaging your current pants-wetting levels of anxiety probably isn't really high on anybody's to-do list.
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by deano:
Consider this. Robert O. Paxton puts forward the theory in his book "The Anatomy of Fascism" that the reason why enough people gravitated towards the Nazi's in pre-war Germany to elect them into power was because none of the mainstream parties had any plan to deal with the issues facing Germans, but that the Nazi's did.
That plan of course was abhorent, but it was a plan. Someone upthread said somethign about "show me a plan that is appropriate, timeley and I'll show you a plan that is wrong" or whatever. The point is people want a plan. It doesn't have to be perfect, or even right, but it does have to exist.
The recent increase in anti-islamic feeling in the West - and you can't deny that it is increasing - is explained by Paxton's theory in my view.
The mainstream parties have no answers. The peace-first hanky-wringers have no answers.
I've said on a number of occaisions that my choice for leader of the Conservative Party in the last leadership election was Ken Clarke. I am on the left of the party, I support the welfare state, reasonable taxation, gay marriage and women bishops! And yet in dealing with islam I feel forced down a route that is alien to my views on other matters. I am not alone.
You can shout and bitch at me all day and I'll return the compliment, but the elephant in the room is that marginal parties with an answer will start attracting votes away from the mainstream parties who don't have an answer, and you may well not like those marginal parties at all.
You're stretching things to explain the rise in anti-Islamic feeling by reference to Paxton's analysis which has five components:
1. Popular disillusionment with democracy - check.
2. A fascist movement, aided by deadlock and polarization, becoming a player on the national stage - UKIP is racist, but not fascist.
3. Arrival to power, where conservatives seeking to control rising leftist opposition invite the movement to share power - the Conservatives would only do this after ditching Cameron but who else is remotely electable?
4. Exercise of power, via a charismatic leader (Hitler or Mussolini)and traditional elites - show me a potential charismatic leader. Apart from a World Cup winning England captain or Simon Cowell that is. 5. Radicalization (per Nazi Germany) or traditional authoritarianism (per fascist Italy) - Britain would take the latter path, but who could tell the difference?
Come on deano, do try a bit harder.
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Some positive news from Iraq, where the town of Amerli appears to have been taken from IS, by a combination of Iraqui forces, Kurdish peshmerga, and Shia militia. Maybe this points the way to future gains.
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quote: Originally posted by quetzalcoatl: Some positive news from Iraq, where the town of Amerli appears to have been taken from IS, by a combination of Iraqui forces, Kurdish peshmerga, and Shia militia. Maybe this points the way to future gains.
You mean there's a chance that ISIS won't have to be nuked? That won't do at all.
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: quote: Originally posted by quetzalcoatl: Some positive news from Iraq, where the town of Amerli appears to have been taken from IS, by a combination of Iraqui forces, Kurdish peshmerga, and Shia militia. Maybe this points the way to future gains.
You mean there's a chance that ISIS won't have to be nuked? That won't do at all.
It is disappointing. All those mushroom clouds and charred bodies would have looked good on the front pages, and would have testified to our virility. Man up! Drop the bomb!
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quote: Originally posted by deano: I advocated dropping a nuclear weapon on the ISIS. That is very far from advocating killing all muslims. Don't put words in my mouth you prick.
quote: Originally posted by deano: quote: Originally posted by quetzalcoatl: quote: Originally posted by QLib: quote: Originally posted by deano: ]I would rather eradicate all muslims than have Islam forced upon me regardless of the state of Christianity.
And how are you going to do that? Nuke the entire globe and start again from scratch? You sound more and more like a Bond villain with every word you post.
Yes. I just showed this stuff to my wife, and she laughed like a drain, and said, you wally, you've been set up. Damn, I thought I'd got good at detecting wind-ups. There's no fool like an old fool.
Seriously? Is that what you and she believe?
I am quite serious.
If you think I am winding you up, fair enough. There's nothing I can do to stop that except to say it isn't.
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Martin60
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deano, don't you recognize your own words?
Advocating killing all Muslims?
Did someone hack your account?
Did you forget them?
Forget that you advocated killing all Muslims?
Or isn't that what you meant by 'I would rather eradicate all muslims'?
Unless you intend to do it alone?
You're not advocating it for anyone else to share in doing?
Like Jesus?
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quote: Originally posted by deano: Keep shouting at me. I have no problem with it at all. I love Hell. It's where I feel most at home.
So... you are an internet troll.
Perhaps the method the Fantastic Four used to deal with the Impossible Man would be apropos here.
Part one, Part Two.
Goodbye, annoying person.
Goodbye.
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quote: Originally posted by deano: quote: Originally posted by Matt Black: And it's 'fewer' lawyers, not 'less'.
Jesus wept. Try to read the fucking thread before posting. You might appear less behind the times, and thus less of a twat.
As being behind the times and having a level of twatishness are both continous variables I assume there are no objections to my using "less" in that context?
Not with regard to the latter use but certainly with regard to the former - which is why I restated Ariston's objection as you clearly didn't get the point.
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quote: Originally posted by deano: The truly worrying thing that nobody has addressed yet is not that I have advocated what I have, but that I have felt the need to.
I agree that your dissatisfaction with the current strategy of helping local Kurdish and Shiite forces is truly worrying.
The gap between your nuclear blast/wide-ranging lock-up strategy and your caricature of peace-first hanky-wringers with no alternative plan is vast. Personally I fall within that gap quite comfortably. I think the current US/Western strategy is a fairly smart one, and furthermore it appears to be working.
I know you'd love the problem to be 'solved' in the space of 5 minutes with a bright flash and thousands of years of radioactivity somewhere where it isn't your problem, but it's not as if that's the only possible method.
I bet you take crash diets as well. [ 01. September 2014, 10:51: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: The gap between your nuclear blast/wide-ranging lock-up strategy and your caricature of peace-first hanky-wringers with no alternative plan is vast. Personally I fall within that gap quite comfortably. I think the current US/Western strategy is a fairly smart one, and furthermore it appears to be working.
I hope it does. I hope muslims stop seeing Western culture as abhorent and I look forward to the day when all muslims decide that the doctrine of spreading islam through war is wrong and ought to be discarded.
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Your apology to Dave for your the mindless amnesic rage of Jesus is noted.
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quote: Originally posted by deano: I hope muslims stop seeing Western culture as abhorrent and I look forward to the day when all muslims decide that the doctrine of spreading islam through war is wrong and ought to be discarded.
Amen < are we allowed amen's in Hell ?>
Western culture may leave a lot to be desired as we know, but if islam wants to learn by our past mistakes then forget the Holy wars, forget about Just wars, maybe forget about wars altogether cos it's all a bit shit really.
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quote: Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard: Your apology to Dave for your the mindless amnesic rage of Jesus is noted.
Cheers, It's always nice to hear from someone who is fully behind my arguments.
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quote: Originally posted by rolyn: quote: Originally posted by deano: I hope muslims stop seeing Western culture as abhorrent and I look forward to the day when all muslims decide that the doctrine of spreading islam through war is wrong and ought to be discarded.
Amen < are we allowed amen's in Hell ?>
Western culture may leave a lot to be desired as we know, but if islam wants to learn by our past mistakes then forget the Holy wars, forget about Just wars, maybe forget about wars altogether cos it's all a bit shit really.
Don't you know nuffink? Western run, Christian wars are Good! Do get with the plan.
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Martin60
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You haven't made one yet. You just argue and lie. Like Jesus.
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Martin60
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Was it just the weekend before last? I wobbled in the irenicism of Jesus? It didn't last long, although it was pretty acute at the time.
It even looked like George was wobbling and still is.
As for deano, sorry mate, if you're NOT lying like Jesus, then you're insane like Jesus. Or both. Like Jesus. Which is it mate?
There is a way out mate.
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: Don't you know nuffink? Western run, Christian wars are Good! Do get with the plan.
I know, how shockingly remiss of me .
It was a ridiculously heretical statement . Especially in this year, the Centenary of that Great and lovely war which was supposed to end all war. And of course you are right, only we Christians are allowed to blow everything to fuck and back , not those dodgy turks and hereticks with their dirty bombs, dastardly schemes and shabby guerilla tactics.
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Darling: So you see, Blackadder, Field Marshal Haig is most anxious to eliminate all these German spies.
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Darling: And, fortunately, one of *our* spies--
Melchett: Splendid fellows, brave heroes, risking life and limb for Blighty!
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quote: Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard: Was it just the weekend before last? I wobbled in the irenicism of Jesus? It didn't last long, although it was pretty acute at the time.
It even looked like George was wobbling and still is.
As for deano, sorry mate, if you're NOT lying like Jesus, then you're insane like Jesus. Or both. Like Jesus. Which is it mate?
There is a way out mate.
Absolutely. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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News is coming in that the second US journalist being held by IS/ ISIS has been murdered.
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Sioni Sais
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I'm a host so I can use smilies. And it's right. His poor family.
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Martin60
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What should Jesus do now deano?
You're a Christian, so you know. You represent him with your lies, your murderousness, your confusion, that's His of course.
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I really don't know what the best response is - I was, however, disturbed by seeing the Metro calling the man doing the beheading "Jihadi John" - giving him a pet name like that serves to trivialise his actions.
He's not some amusing anti-hero - he's a murderer. Plain and simple.
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quote: Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard: What should Jesus do now deano?
You're a Christian, so you know. You represent him with your lies, your murderousness, your confusion, that's His of course.
Dunno because nobody on this planet is actually Him. I have no idea what he would do. Frankly I care more about what WE should do because trying to foist our responsibilities onto Christ is an admission that we have no answers.
Asking what Christ would do is an attempt to trivialise a serious issue and avoid facing it.
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger: I really don't know what the best response is - I was, however, disturbed by seeing the Metro calling the man doing the beheading "Jihadi John" - giving him a pet name like that serves to trivialise his actions.
He's not some amusing anti-hero - he's a murderer. Plain and simple.
It's a manifestation of the long tradition of ridicule that has been used by We British against all sorts of enemies, from the monotesticular Nazi leader to Chemical Ali and beyond. It does trivialise and can easily be racist, but it's a defence mechanism and if not peculiar to the British, it's a defining characteristic when there's a war on, which is almost all the time.
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The Phantom Flan Flinger
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quote: Originally posted by deano: quote: Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard: What should Jesus do now deano?
You're a Christian, so you know. You represent him with your lies, your murderousness, your confusion, that's His of course.
Dunno because nobody on this planet is actually Him. I have no idea what he would do. Frankly I care more about what WE should do because trying to foist our responsibilities onto Christ is an admission that we have no answers.
Asking what Christ would do is an attempt to trivialise a serious issue and avoid facing it.
But what if we do have no answers? Isn't that exactly when we should ask Christ?
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quote: Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger: But what if we do have no answers? Isn't that exactly when we should ask Christ?
That's a hypothetical question and irrelevant. We haven't run out of answers yet. My answers still stand, no matter how distasteful some of you find them.
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quote: Originally posted by deano: Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger: quote: But what if we do have no answers? Isn't that exactly when we should ask Christ?
That's a hypothetical question and irrelevant. We haven't run out of answers yet. My answers still stand, no matter how distasteful some of you find them.
I didn't say I found your answer distasteful, I simply asked a question based on your answers. You know, attempting a discussion.
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But, much as it pains me to agree with Dildo, we haven't yet run out of answers. But if you want to go all hypothetical, what if Christ is silent when we ask Him?
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quote: Originally posted by Matt Black: But, much as it pains me to agree with Dildo, we haven't yet run out of answers. But if you want to go all hypothetical, what if Christ is silent when we ask Him?
I don't know; perhaps start with what he's meant to have said when he was here, stuff about loving your enemies, blessing those who curse you and working it out from there.
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I'm not sure how that helps me how to work out how to help the victims of IS, though, as it is not me personally who is being shat on by them.
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And your answers are Jesus' answers as you speak for Him and by Him, being a Christian.
Hateful, murderous, lying, graceless answers.
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I haven't given any answers yet, so resent your mischaracterisation of them.
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The odds that Martin PC is ever replying to the post immediately above his own are remarkably low.
Also, he is one of the Shipmates (not the only one) that appears to have a religious objection to the 'Quote' button.
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Ah!
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I think he was talking to me. I mean, martin and myself seem to share the same worldview on this.
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quote: Originally posted by deano: I think he was talking to me. I mean, martin and myself seem to share the same worldview on this.
You reckon? One has to be a mindreader to understand Martin PC. Sometimes I don't think he understands himself (Jack Kerouac eat your heart out).
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deano
princess
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: quote: Originally posted by deano: I think he was talking to me. I mean, martin and myself seem to share the same worldview on this.
You reckon? One has to be a mindreader to understand Martin PC. Sometimes I don't think he understands himself (Jack Kerouac eat your heart out).
Nah. What he says is perfectly clear. If others are misunderstanding him then it's their issue not his. I assume no newcomers to the ship, reading my posts will doubt that MPC and myself are of one mind.
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RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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quote: Originally posted by Matt Black: But if you want to go all hypothetical, what if Christ is silent when we ask Him?
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" was unclear?
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LeRoc
Famous Dutch pirate
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quote: orfeo: The odds that Martin PC is ever replying to the post immediately above his own are remarkably low.
Also, he is one of the Shipmates (not the only one) that appears to have a religious objection to the 'Quote' button.
I can understand that. I mean, the thought of Martin PC's posts having bits and pieces of ours all crawling and slithering inside of them. It's disgusting, really.
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Matt Black
Shipmate
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quote: Originally posted by RuthW: quote: Originally posted by Matt Black: But if you want to go all hypothetical, what if Christ is silent when we ask Him?
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" was unclear?
But they are not persecuting me. Of course, I stand in solidarity with those who are being persecuted but the verse you quoted doesn't assist in telling me how to help those other than me who are being persecuted.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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quote: Originally posted by deano: I assume no newcomers to the ship, reading my posts will doubt that MPC and myself are of one mind.
Whereas the old-timers know better.
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Sioni Sais
Shipmate
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quote: Originally posted by deano: quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: quote: Originally posted by deano: I think he was talking to me. I mean, martin and myself seem to share the same worldview on this.
You reckon? One has to be a mindreader to understand Martin PC. Sometimes I don't think he understands himself (Jack Kerouac eat your heart out).
Nah. What he says is perfectly clear. If others are misunderstanding him then it's their issue not his. I assume no newcomers to the ship, reading my posts will doubt that MPC and myself are of one mind.
Befuddled?
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