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daronmedway
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Checkout people here seem to be trained to ask "did you find everything you needed today?" Not that they have a way of recording it if you didn't, so I don't know why they bother telling them to ask you; false sense of being cared for, I guess.
I've always assumed they ask so that they can tell you that the widgets or whatever are in aisle sixteen. In better times, they'd send the bagger to aisle sixteen to get the widgets for you.
Yes, the bagger. We don't generally have baggers here in the UK. That gets left to cub-scout doing fundraising. I mean, why demean an adult when you get children to do the very most menial of tasks?
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Kelly Alves
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Good God, dude, you make Ebenezer Scrooge look like a hippie. Fuck you, being a bagger is demeaning. Fuck you, Get the Boy Scouts to lower themselves. I bet the average Boy Scout could kick your ass bloody, but he won't because helping some old lady with her bags is a much more noble, honorable thing to do.
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daronmedway
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Good God, dude, you make Ebenezer Scrooge look like a hippie. Fuck you, being a bagger is demeaning. Fuck you, Get the Boy Scouts to lower themselves. I bet the average Boy Scout could kick your ass bloody, but he won't because helping some old lady with her bags is a much more noble, honorable thing to do.
My kids are those cub-scouts. At Christmas they did three consecutive six hour days and youngest is only eight. Tesco paid me for them by bank transfer to an offshore account. I've been sworn to secrecy because child labour is illegal here in the UK apparently....Oh. Oops.
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jacobsen
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Checkout people here seem to be trained to ask "did you find everything you needed today?" Not that they have a way of recording it if you didn't, so I don't know why they bother telling them to ask you; false sense of being cared for, I guess.
I've always assumed they ask so that they can tell you that the widgets or whatever are in aisle sixteen. In better times, they'd send the bagger to aisle sixteen to get the widgets for you.
In my country town, an assistant is called from (presumeably on high) to fetch items e.g. where a bag of flour is leaking, and must be replaced. But DM probably has them heading for the tall timber rather than approach... they not being loaded for clerics.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I've always assumed they ask so that they can tell you that the widgets or whatever are in aisle sixteen. In better times, they'd send the bagger to aisle sixteen to get the widgets for you.
Back when they actually had baggers. Sigh.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Good God, dude, you make Ebenezer Scrooge look like a hippie. Fuck you, being a bagger is demeaning. Fuck you, Get the Boy Scouts to lower themselves. I bet the average Boy Scout could kick your ass bloody, but he won't because helping some old lady with her bags is a much more noble, honorable thing to do.
Either he only shops twice a year or he is trolling. No points for guessing which. I'll give DM this, unlike some of the other knobs we have here, DM has 2 hats. Today he is deano Jr.
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leo
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Checkout assistants who bag everything are a nuisance - it slows the system down (unless it is an elderly person or one of those idiots who stand there and watch everything before starting to pack, after which they can't find their purse) and they have a habit of putting fragile articles, like eggs, in first before bottles.
Here's a tip for the dishonest - someone who is really poor told me that he regularly looks at the self-service checkouts and finds change that hasn't been collected. On Thursday, he got £15 in notes and a few coins. Not back when all he purchased was a pint of semi-skimmed milk.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by leo:
Checkout assistants who bag everything are a nuisance - it slows the system down
What do you want them to do, leave it on the counter so you can carry out the unbagged items in your arms?
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Ariel
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Originally posted by leo:
Checkout assistants who bag everything are a nuisance
Why don't you just politely thank them for their offer of help, but please don't worry about packing anything for you?
(That way you won't get your bananas smashed.)
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leo
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by leo:
Checkout assistants who bag everything are a nuisance - it slows the system down
What do you want them to do, leave it on the counter so you can carry out the unbagged items in your arms?
No pack it myself.
I already have my bag(s) open and ready, my nectar card and credit card to hand - i do that whilst still in the queue.
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leo
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by leo:
Checkout assistants who bag everything are a nuisance
Why don't you just politely thank them for their offer of help, but please don't worry about packing anything for you?
(That way you won't get your bananas smashed.)
I do. And as for the boy scouts in uniform who want to to do it, I am not going to donate to a paramilitary organisation. Maybe if it was the Woodcraft Folk....
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daronmedway
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leo, are you really saying that the boy scouts are a "paramilitary organisation"?
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daronmedway
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by leo:
Checkout assistants who bag everything are a nuisance - it slows the system down
What do you want them to do, leave it on the counter so you can carry out the unbagged items in your arms?
I share your pain. I mean, without the servants who's going to mow the lawn?
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Spike
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Originally posted by daronmedway:
leo, are you really saying that the boy scouts are a "paramilitary organisation"?
Please don't get him started, otherwise before we know it he'll be listing al the apparently anti Semitic hymns in the English Hymnal
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leo
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by daronmedway:
leo, are you really saying that the boy scouts are a "paramilitary organisation"?
Please don't get him started, otherwise before we know it he'll be listing al the apparently anti Semitic hymns in the English Hymnal
If you want.
I can also do Hymns Ancient & Modern, protestant though it is.
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daronmedway
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Originally posted by jacobsen:
I have heard that the predecessors of the Brownies were called Rosebuds.
An obvious hotbed of militancy, brainwashing and political radicalism.
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orfeo
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I would have thought a paramilitary organisation lurking around the supermarket would be the PERFECT place for leo to unload any of those evil warmongering 2 pound Kitchener coins that he receives in his change.
Two unique leo 'problems' solved in one fell stroke.
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daronmedway
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So, the kids who pack my bags for pennies at Christmas are actually brutalised child soldiers being held captive by local crime Barons impersonating Jungle Book characters? OK.
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Wow, the Scouts a paramilitary organization? I never met a bigger bunch of tree-hugging liberal hippie freaks than when I worked at Scout camps. Teach kids to lead, teach them to take action, teach them to give a shit about their worlds and communities, and, surprise surprise, they do.
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by daronmedway:
leo, are you really saying that the boy scouts are a "paramilitary organisation"?
Yes.
You really ARE a bitter, ignorant sod, aren't you?
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Originally posted by PeteC:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by daronmedway:
leo, are you really saying that the boy scouts are a "paramilitary organisation"?
Yes.
You really ARE a bitter, ignorant sod, aren't you?
Hey, now! He likes Muslims.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by PeteC:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by daronmedway:
leo, are you really saying that the boy scouts are a "paramilitary organisation"?
Yes.
You really ARE a bitter, ignorant sod, aren't you?
Hey, now! He likes Muslims.
Only because none of them have met him.
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Check-outs eh? If it's not idiotic, badly-designed technology, it's bloody paramilitaries mulching your bananas in the hopes you'll throw a bit of loose change in their plastic buckets (why can't they fund themselves by drug-dealing and extortion like everyone else?)
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To be fair to leo, Baden-Powell was specifically interested in generating military scouts - though they developed some distance from the original concept.
The child soldiers would be cadets. You do get them bagging sometimes.
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I've seen Baden-Powell's grave. Its in the middle of a road, opposite the post office.
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
To be fair to leo, Baden-Powell was specifically interested in generating military scouts - though they developed some distance from the original concept.
Yes, a bit like how that obscure Jewish sect, the 'Christians', developed a bit from the original concept.
Oh wait, this is leo's mind we're delving into. Silly me.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh wait, this is leo's mind we're delving into. Silly me.
How can you delve in something that shallow?
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Leo's next post will be his 20,000th. I'm really looking forward to something profound that will encapsulate his world-view.
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We have one local grocery store where, to my best recollection, I have never successfully operated the self checkout machines. There is always some reason why an attendant has to come and help. I suspect that many others have the same issue as the self checkout machines are largely deserted even when the cashier lines are long.
I'm not sure why the machines appear to be acting in such a mischievous manner; except that perhaps they get bored humming along with computer brains and only the occasional can of crushed tomatoes to keep them company.
At our other local grocery there is always a line at the self checkout area. In fact, it is usually longer to go there than to go to a cashier. Unless I am in a hurry I try to go to the self checkout area because it is quite entertaining. I get to watch the LOP's (Little Old People) put items on the scale and then in their cart at a slow and deliberate pace; meaning I also get to watch younger people twitch in gestures of impatience, or text furiously on their social media devices to kill time. I get to watch parents of young children split their time between checking out and grabbing the candy and gum their children have found conveniently located within reach on the self checkout shelves. At certain times of day I get to watch bleary eyed people try to figure out how to check out their snackage through a chemically induced fog without appearing to be impaired. I even get to see visibly intoxicated guys try to balance while attempting to buy a 12 pack.
And when it is my turn I realize that I am paying the consuming public back for the show they put on for me by putting on a show for them as the voice of the checkout machine chides me about whatever silly thing I have done and I actually try to communicate back to the machine by speaking to it.
YMMV. My experience is that having a sense of humor about myself makes self checkout experiences much more enjoyable.
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Leo's next post will be his 20,000th. I'm really looking forward to something profound that will encapsulate his world-view.
Well, in Heaven he has already bitched about people enjoying their church coffee hours. I think that says volumes.
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
Leo's next post will be his 20,000th. I'm really looking forward to something profound that will encapsulate his world-view.
Well, in Heaven he has already bitched about people enjoying their church coffee hours. I think that says volumes.
He's snarling on the World Poetry Day thread too, describing poetry as "Arty-Farty". Has the guy never read "The Ballad of Eskimo Nell?" Definitely NSFW, so I won't even provide a link.
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I was going to be charitable along the lines of the Churchill riposte of tomorrow he'll be sober, but leo's already back charming all on the Coffee Snacks thread with an admission he only goes if there's booze on offer, which suggests he either never sobers up or he really is a curmudgeonly git.
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That was leo's 20,000th post! What a gift to us all.
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Speaking of scouts roaming the checkout areas - around here it's Girl Scouts, and they tackle you outside the store and sell you cookies.
Since the right wing has started ranting about GSA, I consider it an obligation to buy as many cookies as I can during the season.
If I gain five pounds this Lent (why do they always sell cookies during Lent, anyway?) it'll be the Tea Party's fault.
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mousethief
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I don't understand the hostility toward service jobs that is represented by Daronmedway's comment and leo's attitude toward bagging, and some others. Stores are devolving their services on their customers -- making us do more and more of the work that stores used to do for us.
How much of that are you willing to put up with? You're clearly giddy that you get to do the work of the bagger for the store. We've long since been carrying our groceries to our cars. Now they want us to scan our own groceries. Will you be happy when you are required to stock shelves for an hour --without pay-- before you can buy anything? "Self-service" is a way for companies to hire and pay fewer people, and outsource the work they used to perform to their customers. The result is fewer employed people, and customers becoming unpaid employees of the businesses that are supposed to be serving them.
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Anglican't
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But presumably this process started when supermarkets were created? You used to stand at a shop counter and ask the clerk behind it for the items you wanted. Now you have to find the items themselves.
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But presumably this process started when supermarkets were created? You used to stand at a shop counter and ask the clerk behind it for the items you wanted. Now you have to find the items themselves.
I actually thought of that when I was halfway through my screed but was too lazy to go back and add it in. I can see the logic of having us find our own items, inasmuch as the old Dry Good store model can't serve the number of people that a supermarket does, and our population centers have grown such that it's no longer a viable model.
I'm not sure having us bag our own groceries is in the same ballpark. It doesn't create a chokepoint in the grocery-buying experience (for lack of a better term) to have one more employee stuffing things into bags. And real cashiers can far better work machines they have been professionally trained to work than hapless and harried customers. If the checkout lines are too long and make the self-check seem like a time-saving option, that rather supports my argument than the oppositions -- we need more employees, not fewer, at the grocery store.
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You used to stand at a shop counter and ask the clerk behind it for the items you wanted.
Or you were fortunate to have either a Home & Colonial or International Stores branch. They had order forms (yellow IMMC) which listed all sorts of staples and you filled in what you wanted, how much, etc. Turn-round time was 24 hours: if you got the form in by closing on a Thursday, the order arrived on Friday afternoon - ours came via a boy on a bike with a massive basket on the front.
You settled the bill the next time you were in the shop, or you had an account that they sent out once a month.
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Stop whinging about self-service checkouts redusing jobs. Yes of course they are.
Any kind of simple, repeatable manual process is game for automation.
Why pick on self-service checkouts? What about self-service petrol stations, or library check in and out, or self-check in for flights.
It's inevitable and wont stop I'm afraid. People have to realise that these jobs are temporary. Again it comes down to lack of education and qualifications. Get a better education, work harder at school, and you will end up with a better more secure job.
Fuck up your school life and you will fuck up the rest of your life.
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You hear this rubbish from those who spin in clockwise circles, but what would happen if everyone made the most of education and opportunity?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You hear this rubbish from those who spin in clockwise circles, but what would happen if everyone made the most of education and opportunity?
Enough of these smug bastards already exist to make everyone's life a misery, including, in the long term, their own.
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Originally posted by basso:
Since the right wing has started ranting about GSA, I consider it an obligation to buy as many cookies as I can during the season.
If I gain five pounds this Lent (why do they always sell cookies during Lent, anyway?) it'll be the Tea Party's fault.
Whatever you gotta do to justify buying the cookies. For me the fact that it is a fund raiser is usually enough justification, but I don't get cable news, so it's very hard keeping up with what I should be outraged by this week.
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Originally posted by deano:
Any kind of simple, repeatable manual process is game for automation.
Actually, I'm not sure that the manual processes don't resist automation rather better than the intellectual ones...
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
You hear this rubbish from those who spin in clockwise circles, but what would happen if everyone made the most of education and opportunity?
Jobs would magically drop out of the clouds and we'd all be employed.
Either that or they'd find some other, even more arbitrary, way to exclude people, and we'd all be chided for not jumping through that hoop.
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Originally posted by basso:
Since the right wing has started ranting about GSA,
You know you've been hanging out on Ship of Fools too long when you're trying to work out how "G" fits in with "substitutionary atonement"...
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Originally posted by mousethief:
real cashiers can far better work machines they have been professionally trained to work than hapless and harried customers.
Professionally trained? 10 minute orientation, and then if your lucky they work the till with someone standing at their shoulder until they pick it up. Perhaps I should set up a training company, I could make a fortune supply training for checkout operators: "take the can, pass the barcode over the scanner, repeat with next item" - there's your certificate in checkout operation, that will be £500 Mr Supermarket Manager. Advanced checkout operation, including how to push the "next customer" marker up the slide beside the conveyor, that'll be £1000.
[ 16. March 2014, 20:49: Message edited by: Alan Cresswell ]
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Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a lot of time making it.
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