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Kelly Alves
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That would be such a fantastic series crossover.
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Penny S
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Interesting that the extra showed that much more of Danny's death was shot than was actually shown, so people in some places arguing that the accident was not seen are arguing from a position which didn't exist during filming. He was clearly lying in the road, and the car had damage to its front consistent with having hit a vertical object, while later they showed him being loaded into the ambulance on a stretcher.
I wonder why it was edited out.
Odd, I have seen the show from my TV recording twice (second time after having read that his bady wasn't visible), and that bit more than twice, but I didn't see those bits until I watched it on iPlayer.
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Penny S
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Why a typo like that when the letters aren't even close I don't know.
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Robert Armin
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Many thanks for that link Jay-Emm. On reflection, I am not satisfied with the BBC response to this issue, and have written to them. If anyone else feels inclined to do so, the BBC Complaints Page is here.
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doubtingthomas
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
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Originally posted by Sipech:
But why might someone add an extra telephone box into Doctor Who? Could it be the Master's TARDIS?
I suppose it might just be set dressing (let's lay it on with a trowel that we're in Old London Town), but still...
Well, the series is sold to a goodly number of countries world-wide, and the frontage of St. Paul's is not necessarily as instantly recognizable internationally as the good old (and largely disused) red phone box. Then again...
BTW, I've just rewatched The Invasion, which provided the inspiration for that scene (though focusing more on the better-known dome).
Great serial, if rather long.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Interesting that the extra showed that much more of Danny's death was shot than was actually shown...I wonder why it was edited out.
I noticed that too - time constraints, most likely.
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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
Even more importantly...has Moffat realised that he's written a really dated episode. No-one under 2 in the UK will ever have seen white noise for real!
random tangent (assuming you meant under 20?): a few years back my friend's primary-school age son got hold of my flatmate's ancient portable radio, started playing with the knobs, and delighted in untuning it repeatedly. Needless to say, he was told to stop making a racket, and none of us grown-ups (all distinctly over 20) realized until much later that he was probably fascinated by the static as a new experience.
/tangent...
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Jay-Emm
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Tangent
meant 2 As bound where it's pretty much absolute, no analogue tv plugge in.
8 kind of hits start of switch off and are current watchers.
But 20 probably is about rigjt for the start, or seen it once when tough + hhhhfh hop.
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Pyx_e
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20 minutes in and I am sure RA is writing letter 2 as we watch.
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Penny S
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And why do I think of Kenneth Williams with the Cyberman on the outside of the plane?
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Penny S
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And Evnissyen bursts Ceridwen's cauldron. How many plots are there supposed to be?
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Penny S
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And Flipping Santa - O really....! I despair.
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Ariel
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Lacked sparkle. If that had been a mid-series episode I'd have gone and done something else for the duration.
The Mary Poppins bit was a nice touch, though.
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Ferijen
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I seemed to have something in my eye at the salute
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Cadfael
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Originally posted by Ferijen:
I seemed to have something in my eye at the salute
Me too.
And in this centenary of the First World War, on the day before Remembrance Sunday, I seemed to have something in my eye earlier - when Danny called on the fallen.
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Penny S
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The way Moffat brought in the Brigadier - especially after hearing his comments on The Extra programme - reminded me of something I did once in a school play. Got into a plot bind, and had to bring in the Doctor to reverse polarities and get me out of it. that sort of thing is OK in a school play (well, I would say that) but I'm not entirely sure in this case.
And how come that bracelet could do the return thing? There weren't any early clues to that.
And the doctor implied that the whole afterlife thing was an invention to build up the army, but then Danny appears to be in a genuine one.
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angelica37
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It wasn't as bad as I thought it might be, Missy as the Master was good (I suppose she will be returning) and we have seen the last of Clara. Wish that Danny could have survived though. And Father Christmas doesn't bode well.
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Mudfrog
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"Love is not a feeling. Love is a promise."
Yes.
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Callan
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Originally posted by Penny S:
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And the doctor implied that the whole afterlife thing was an invention to build up the army, but then Danny appears to be in a genuine one.
Presumably everyone was uploaded back to the Nethersphere which then started dying in the absence of Missy and the Cyberhost to do the essential maintenance.
It was all right I suppose; lots of nice touches, a weak plot and the usual Deus ex Machina to resolve the alien menace.
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Originally posted by angelica37:
and we have seen the last of Clara.
We clearly haven't, judging by the last bit.
That was hilarious and epic and shocking and then it was weird. All over the place. This show sure doesn't lack ambition.
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You know, I'm finding myself wanting to watch the entire season again.
Because it's clear now that the whole season has had a strand about soldiers and their sacrifices in it, leading up to Remembrance Day. In some ways it's almost like a giant apology for the Doctor's attitude to soldiers.
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balaam
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How did the Cyberarmour get into the graves?
There are always plot holes in Doctor who and I enjoy the programme despite them, We were reminded that it is about an idiot in a box with a screwdriver, but as Whovian plot holes go this was big, very big.
I still enjoyed it.
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Originally posted by balaam:
How did the Cyberarmour get into the graves?
It was carried there in the rain. Conservation of mass is so primitive human science, don't you know?
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Ariel
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I'm intrigued by the Oswin/Oswald/Osgood thing. One of the Master's former names was Harold Saxon. Connection, or red herring?
Harold was, of course, king of England until 1066...
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Originally posted by angelica37:
It wasn't as bad as I thought it might be, Missy as the Master was good (I suppose she will be returning) and we have seen the last of Clara. Wish that Danny could have survived though. And Father Christmas doesn't bode well.
Yes, agree with you about Father Christmas. But have we really seen the last of Clara? Did we ever have it properly explained why she kept popping up in different time eras?
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M.
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I loved the beginning but the ending was messy. I think it was on another website that someone suggested that the plot was almost incidental and I can see that.
The idea, though, was just brilliant, what a resource for cybermen!
Loved Michelle Gomez as the Master, although I still wish it had been the Rani. Chris Addison was brilliant, just the right amount of disgusting smarmy.
And I doubt we've seen the last of Clara. I know Sarah-Jane left just like that, but companions don't leave like that these days.
All in all, it's been a really good series, although it's all been earth bound I think*. I liked both David Tennant and Matt Smith, but somehow, it does feel more like real Doctor Who again (which I know is a daft thing to say really but it does).
M.
*Well, I got that round my neck, didn't I? Apart from Into the Dalek, Mummy on the Orient Express, Time Heist and Kill the Moon, of course.
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Mudfrog
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Was anyone confused by the girl who had a bow tie, said they were cool and used an inhaler?
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Stumbling Pilgrim
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Recalling 'Time Heist', does anyone else think Missy's disintegration thingy might be a transporter rather than a deadly weapon? (No? OK then - but I'd like to think so, cos it will be a pity if we've seen the last of Osgood.)
I was intrigued by the way the whole thing was topped and tailed with a lie - Clara spent a lot of time on her 'I'm the Doctor' bluff, and even the credits carried it along (nice touch), and they ended by lying to each other that everything was fine and their lives had somewhere to go. It made me wonder again, how much of what we see and hear can we trust?
('Never trust a hug, it's just a way of hiding your face' - ![[Frown]](frown.gif) )
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Was anyone confused by the girl who had a bow tie, said they were cool and used an inhaler?
She was in another episode (Better folk than I will know the title!) when UNIT were involved, based in the Tower of London, I seem to recall. She had a bit of a crush on the Doctor.
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Callan
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Was anyone confused by the girl who had a bow tie, said they were cool and used an inhaler?
Sergeant Osgood, who has appeared in previous episodes, who was re-introduced so someone we care about could DIE. Not being funny, but the moment she said "bowties are cool" I expected Punt and Dennis to pop up and announce "Dead!" I did expect Kate to survive though but I thought that she would be picked up by the TARDIS when the Doctor did his 'squee' bit, I didn't expect her to be saved by the Brigadier. Admittedly, it was pure fanwank but it was bloody classy 24 carat Smallville fanwank.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Was anyone confused by the girl who had a bow tie, said they were cool and used an inhaler?
50th Anniversary Special.
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Pyx_e
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I liked both David Tennant and Matt Smith, but somehow, it does feel more like real Doctor Who again
Exactly, Capaldi was stunning, kind, virulent, acerbic, funny, other, wrong, very very funny.
All episodes have gaps, but the arcs in this series were substantial. The main characters all stood up on their own. I loved Tennant and Smith but this is more like a real Doctor. Harder, softer. "Hugs just allow you to hide your face." big wow.
Roll on Christmas and Santa, you know why? Because I have a sense of humour and enjoy Dr Who.
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Jay-Emm
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Originally posted by Ariel:
But have we really seen the last of Clara? Did we ever have it properly explained why she kept popping up in different time eras?
I think so, she jumps into [the broken doctor in] the broken tardis at some point towards the end of MSmith to see Hurt (though then they seemed to exit offscreen and met him again, so I'm a bit confused) [and at that point is preincarnatedish throughout the doctors life to live and meet him when he needed saving]
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*Well, I got that round my neck, didn't I? Apart from Into the Dalek, Mummy on the Orient Express, Time Heist and Kill the Moon, of course.
And Mummy on the Orient Express is functionally really as earth bound as the rest.
Kill the moon is almost the opposite being geographically earth bound to within uncertainty, but a spacey plot.
And the other 2 are also very humany...which is typical of Dr Who on average.
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Different-time-period Claras were put into the Doctor's time stream to thwart the Great Intelligence, who had just jumped into the Doctor's time stream to kill him at every concievable moment he could be killed. Then they caught a glimpse of John Hurt, and how she got out of the time line was never explained.
I thought it was a brilliant two parter, with lots of nods to the classic series - and how I wish Danny had survived. A real hero, right to the end.
(and the Brig was a wonderful little touch)
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Stumbling Pilgrim
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Roll on Christmas and Santa, you know why? Because I have a sense of humour and enjoy Dr Who.
And I wonder what the Children in Need short will bring?
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I liked both David Tennant and Matt Smith, but somehow, it does feel more like real Doctor Who again
Exactly, Capaldi was stunning, kind, virulent, acerbic, funny, other, wrong, very very funny.
All episodes have gaps, but the arcs in this series were substantial. The main characters all stood up on their own. I loved Tennant and Smith but this is more like a real Doctor. Harder, softer. "Hugs just allow you to hide your face." big wow.
Yep, totally agree. Capaldi is wonderful, that extraordinary face sometimes impossibly old and sometimes still young is just right for the part, the consistently excellent acting a real bonus: that was a real Pertwee moment when he plummeted through outer space, cloak flying and all, and managed to whistle up the Tardis. The only thing wrong is the dodgy scripts they keep giving him.
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Then they caught a glimpse of John Hurt, and how she got out of the time line was never explained.
I'd really love to see more episodes with him. Though I expect he'd probably suffer from dodgy scripts as well, but what a character.
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The Machine Elf
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Originally posted by Stumbling Pilgrim:
Recalling 'Time Heist', does anyone else think Missy's disintegration thingy might be a transporter rather than a deadly weapon? (No? OK then - but I'd like to think so, cos it will be a pity if we've seen the last of Osgood.)
I think the disintegration beam was a weapon. It's orangey-red and leaves a puff of smoke and ash. Teleports in Doctor Who tend to be blue, for example Missy in the graveyard.
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balaam
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Originally posted by Stumbling Pilgrim:
I was intrigued by the way the whole thing was topped and tailed with a lie - Clara spent a lot of time on her 'I'm the Doctor' bluff, and even the credits carried it along (nice touch), and they ended by lying to each other that everything was fine and their lives had somewhere to go. It made me wonder again, how much of what we see and hear can we trust?
But there were already rumours that Jenna Coleman will not be returning in the next series.
That rumour seems to be based on nothing more than Ms Coleman saying they will start filming the next series in January. They, not we, means she will not be part of it.
On the other hand if she were leaving the show why does she know the filming schedule.
My take is that it is a plot by Moffat to keep us guessing and Ms Coleman is on message in saying something deliberately misleading. We wait to see.
As for the lying to each other scene, did I detect a little (or more) of the 6th Doctor in there in the talking over the companion bit. Is it part of Capaldi's plan to incude part of the mannerisms of all the previous incarnations in his performance? (I'm an just an idiot in a box was 2nd Doctor,)
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Well, that was a massive pile of shite. I've enjoyed the series to this point, and despite the weak moments (most notably the Egg-Moon), I thought it was the best series overall since the reboot. But after this, I don't know what to think, because that was just an empty hour of incoherent whizzbangs and fanwank. There wasn't a single aspect of it that made sense.
They built up one scenario last week, threw out a lot of deliberately and desperately misleading spoilers (one of the reasons I do my best to avoid them), and then apparently tried to tell a completely different story. Flying Cybermen? Um, yeah. "Cloud" storage turned into literal clouds? Riiight. Rain that doesn't just reanimate dead bodies, but equips them with cyberarmour? Nope, lost me. And that's just the Cybermen strand, which was the main draw but effectively irrelevant to the plot.
I couldn't list all the things that were wrong with the plot. There's clearly no coherent concept of how any of it was meant to work, except that they wanted lots of empty spectacle like plunging through the air towards the TARDIS as if it was something out of Mission Impossible. Yes, it was that bad. As for the reanimation of poor Brigadier L-S, and the jawdroppingly awful "caught by a Cyberman" escape, there aren't words to do justice to how terrible they were. And then Father Fucking Christmas rolls up!
I feel sad, because I really wanted to like it, and there were good points. Missy was good value, if poorly used and guilty of writing the historic Doctor/Master subtext in bolded, underlined 80pt block capitals. And the mutual deceit between Clara and the Doctor at the end was very effective. But it was like eating a whole big bag of sweets - pleasant in parts but insubstantial, and leaving a sickly empty feeling.
Not quite as bad as Dobby-Doctor, but possibly even more disappointing, because the series to this point had promised so much.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
And the doctor implied that the whole afterlife thing was an invention to build up the army, but then Danny appears to be in a genuine one.
As I understand it, minds were downloaded at the point of death, then re-uploaded into the "upgraded" body. What they experience in between is a Matrix-style illusion.
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It certainly was not a story that bears thinking about...because whenever you do you will notice something else about it that makes no sense. So, really, very much like Classic Who. For example, I love "The Curse of Fenric" but only because I refuse to think about how it makes zero sense. The same could be said for this story.
But I like the suggestion that the Doctor is not a good man, just an idiot with a box going around doing good here and there. NuWho has had too much of him as the Galactic Hero saving the Universe every year. It comes down to what makes for good suspense. Too many writers seem to think that if you raise the stakes, then the suspense will increase. So we get away from the Doctor saving a small group of people and increase it to saving the planet, and then saving the solar system, then saving the galaxy, then saving the universe, then saving the multi-verse, then saving the nature of all reality itself...but none of that creates good drama. This season had a lot of small group of people stories and I have enjoyed it. Sadly, the finale turned back to a planet-threatening story. It is the personal story that brings drama. Corpses being turned into Cybermen left me unmoved, but Osgood dying brought a sobbing cry of pain from me. Clara and Danny still didn't quite click for me (I mean, really, does anybody seriously think that Clara is never going to say "I love you" to anybody ever again in her life?).
I don't know what to make of Santa Claus...but let's wait and see how they spin that. I mean, I didn't like the Titanic breaking through the Tardis wall either, and that one turned out okay.
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I enjoyed it. I can see holes the size of the galaxy in it, but so what. I was so sad when Osgood was disintegrated - I liked her. Her fangirling the Doctor was great.
As to Jenna and the next series, she could be meaning that she will not be in the first bit of filming, for whatever reason, but the others will be starting without her. Nothing suspicious at all.
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I don't know what to make of Santa Claus...
It's Nick Frost, so it bodes well if they go for a fun episode like Robots of Sherwood. I'm hoping they go for the comedy.
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The Christmas episode already looks like crap, as was the Robin Hood debacle. Having said that, despite the many holes I liked this episode. The dead sacrificing themselves for the living on the day before Remembrance was an effective touch - in my humble o, of course.
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Penny S
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They really couldn't not use a person called Nick Frost in that part, could they? Nominative determinism if ever I saw it.
But it has occurred to me that the sudden, inapposite irruption of Father Christmas might be another reference to The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. Tolkien criticised the presence of Father Christmas in Narnia, which was as out of place as the post credit appearance here?
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Ariel
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The Christmas episode already looks like crap, as was the Robin Hood debacle.
Yes, though the nadir for me was the Moon/Egg. That felt like a "we don't have to put any effort into it, you'll lap up anything we do" to the audience.
That Christmas episode with Wilf a couple of years ago was good - lovely to see Bernard Cribbins getting a decent part.
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I can always rely on this thread to give me the impression we are all watching completely different shows.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I can always rely on this thread to give me the impression we are all watching completely different shows.
The thing is, with rare exceptions, there is someone who likes each episode. Different people like different things. Which means that it is probably doing a great job.
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I really enjoyed it. I did think the solution to the cyber men was a bit too easy but it did tie up some of the themes, like Danny the soldier. I liked the brigadier turning up, another soldier doing something right. I'm still loving Capaldi's Doctor. I was pleased to see Osgood and sad to see her die - did we ever find out if she was human or Zygon?
My favourite loose end from this episode was wondering how Clara was going to return a long dead boy from a far away country to his parents ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
It certainly was not a story that bears thinking about...because whenever you do you will notice something else about it that makes no sense. So, really, very much like Classic Who. For example, I love "The Curse of Fenric" but only because I refuse to think about how it makes zero sense. The same could be said for this story.
Yes, true. But when you're just taking the piss with the lack of sense, you need to carry it off with style. Every nonsensical development or breach of the fourth wall made the flaws in the basic premise much more glaring.
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But I like the suggestion that the Doctor is not a good man, just an idiot with a box going around doing good here and there. NuWho has had too much of him as the Galactic Hero saving the Universe every year. It comes down to what makes for good suspense. Too many writers seem to think that if you raise the stakes, then the suspense will increase. So we get away from the Doctor saving a small group of people and increase it to saving the planet, and then saving the solar system, then saving the galaxy, then saving the universe, then saving the multi-verse, then saving the nature of all reality itself...but none of that creates good drama. This season had a lot of small group of people stories and I have enjoyed it. Sadly, the finale turned back to a planet-threatening story.
Yes, I thought Moffat was attempting to get away from RTD's Intergalactic Superstar Doctor, but this was yet another story built on a global event that moves the Whoniverse further away from the real world. Despite the handwavy explanation from Forest of the Night about people forgetting easily, you can't carry on writing stories like this and expecting to press the big reset button at the end.
I'd usually watch an episode again, even the bad ones, but I find myself completely unmotivated to do so right now. Skydiving the TARDIS should be a new synonym for jumping the shark or nuking the fridge.
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I tried to watch it again, but as it turns out my recording failed to work. So, under the heading of "Act of God," I have some indication of how the Divine reacted to this episode.
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I really liked it. I thought it was real edge-of-the-seat stuff most of the way, and it seemed one of the quickest hours of Doctor Who I've ever watched. Okay, the skydiving bit was as cheesy as a cheese factory in the cheese making season, but come on - anyone remember the TARDIS materialising halfway up a skyscraper just in time for River Song to fall into it? - that was cheesy, and downright embarrassing.
Missy is, of course, a brilliant reinterpretation of the Master, and Michelle Gomez had great fun being a total psycho. I hope we see her again. I loved the "OMG, not Osgood!" moment, followed quickly by the "OMG, not Kate!" moment. (How excellent, by the way, is Kate Stewart? Lovely character, and I hope we get her back, too.)
Some people have complained that the whole CyberDanny thing was overdone. I disagree, particularly since watching Tomb of the Cybermen yesterday. Danny's situation is exactly the same as Toberman's - when you've been partly cyberconverted, will you have sufficient free will left to do the human thing? Of course, both Toberman and Danny triumph in the end - but whereas Toberman does it in a story nastily laced with racism, Danny does it in a story that has some style, real emotional involvement, and some asknowledgement that there are genuine moral dilemmas going on here.
Finally, Peter Capaldi has really settled into the role in the latter half of the season. He's incredibly subtle and versatile - his taking out his anger on the TARDIS, for example, was simply awesome. I really hope he's with the show for a long time to come.
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