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Marvin the Martian
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Labour gain Burnley, apparently.
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Ditto.
Also Nicola Sturgeon promising they won't take their victory as a mandate for independence or another referendum.
Interesting.
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Ooh Labour just gained 2 seats.
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luvanddaisies
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The graphics department must be relieved - the Labour to SNP swing thus far nearly went off the swingometer's scale - but not quite. 27% average so far. Gosh.
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Looks like the turkeys have voted for Christmas.
The smears and lies from the vested interests of Murdoch and the rest of the Tory press seems to have won out over against the voices that sought to stand up for the poor and the disabled.
As good a night as it may seem for the SNP, ultimately they still get a Tory-led government, making them as relevant in Parliament as the Lib Dems were in the 90s. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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orfeo
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I don't know where Castle Point is, but I just read that the Lib Dems got 80 votes. 0.2%.
That's gotta hurt. I mean, even if it's somewhere they had no expectation of doing well, that's doing BADLY.
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Marvin the Martian
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Ed Balls is in danger.
Marvellous ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jim Murphy "on his way out".
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I don't know where Castle Point is
Essex
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I don't know where Castle Point is, but I just read that the Lib Dems got 80 votes. 0.2%.
South Essex
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Doublethink.
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Insightful comment from a pundit, saying that labour thought they were fighting an election about austerity and health - but it has turned out to be an election about nationality.
I think the pundit was right. It is the most sensible explanation I have heard so far.
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North East Quine
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Ditto.
Also Nicola Sturgeon promising they won't take their victory as a mandate for independence or another referendum.
Interesting.
That's what she's been saying all campaign.
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Alan Cresswell
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I just wanted to be a bit more precise than Marvin ...
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Originally posted by Sipech:
As good a night as it may seem for the SNP, ultimately they still get a Tory-led government, making them as relevant in Parliament as the Lib Dems were in the 90s.
Unlike the Lib Dems though, they can turn it into tangible rewards. The argument for large-scale further devolution to Scotland will be irresistable, and independence may be right back on the agenda.
It's an excellent night for the SNP.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Insightful comment from a pundit, saying that labour thought they were fighting an election about austerity and health - but it has turned out to be an election about nationality.
I think the pundit was right. It is the most sensible explanation I have heard so far.
I think it shows people didn't think that Labour could deliver on austerity and health.
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orfeo
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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Insightful comment from a pundit, saying that labour thought they were fighting an election about austerity and health - but it has turned out to be an election about nationality.
I think the pundit was right. It is the most sensible explanation I have heard so far.
But one of the impressions that has filtered through to me is that the SNP (along with Greens and Plaid Cymru) were actually talking against austerity more strongly than Labour were. The SNP set themselves up as a vote on both issues - on both austerity and nationality.
Given that Scotland as a whole seems more left-leaning than England, a party that set itself up as both distinctly Scottish and distinctly left-wing was well-placed to capture the dissatisfaction with a right-wing, southern-based government.
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Cod
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Murphy's gone.
he very successfully avoided a Portillo moment.
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Marvin the Martian
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Jim Murphy has gone as well now. The biggest surprise is that that's not really a surprise any more.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Insightful comment from a pundit, saying that labour thought they were fighting an election about austerity and health - but it has turned out to be an election about nationality.
I think the pundit was right. It is the most sensible explanation I have heard so far.
I think it shows people didn't think that Labour could deliver on austerity and health.
They didn't say they would, that is part of the problem (in the sense of refuting the austerity argument and rolling back the privatisation of public services.)
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Wish I'd put money on SNP win every Scottish seat.
At present they are only 3 behind the Tories in the national count.
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Doublethink.
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How much do you think tories have benefitted in marginals with non-core voters voting tory to keep ukip out ?
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luvanddaisies
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Elsewhere, Tory gains, or marginals Labour was wanting, but failing to take ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Of the two available weevils, the lesser is definitely the red one, but I think the blue weevils may be the ones that get the larger share of the biscuit. God help us all.
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North East Quine
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Jim Murphy has gone as well now. The biggest surprise is that that's not really a surprise any more.
It doesn't seem to have come as a surprise to Jim Murphy.
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Marvin the Martian
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I say this as a Tory: Jim Murphy, that was bloody well done. Dignity and humility. Fair play to him.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
How much do you think tories have benefitted in marginals with non-core voters voting tory to keep ukip out ?
Honestly, I think the bigger benefit has been from Labour and Lib Dem voters moving to UKIP.
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Doublethink.
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I am debating whether more whiskey is required.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I just wanted to say that I am very, very drunk...
I'm getting there. Still a few cans let in the fridge yet, mind - and there's always the GiN.
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Cod
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Looking like Simon Hughes has gone.
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luvanddaisies
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Pity, he seems like a nice guy.
Still feeling sad for the LibDems, even though I'm one of those who've turned away from them after the ConDem coalition.
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North East Quine
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I say this as a Tory: Jim Murphy, that was bloody well done. Dignity and humility. Fair play to him.
Yes, kudos to Jim Murphy.
Margaret Curran has gone too. A very bad night for Scottish Labour.
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Doublethink.
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I do wonder why Plaid Cymri are not as successful as the SNP (in general maybe not a massive landslide.)
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Northern Ireland madness: so far, the party with the best overall improvement in performance is the Alliance... for the loss of 1 seat.
And the party with the biggest overall decrease in votes is the Ulster Unionist Party... for the gain of 1 seat.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
I do wonder why Plaid Cymri are not as successful as the SNP (in general maybe not a massive landslide.)
Wales is still very much a Labour heartland, and there's not the same kind of nationalism there as there is in Scotland.
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A good many things are driving me crazy about this election.
One of them is the turnout in England - down 2% from a modest enough level in 2010. All the anger about austerity, cuts, immigration, zero hours contracts, bankers' bonuses, high housing cost and so on has translated into .......?
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
I do wonder why Plaid Cymri are not as successful as the SNP (in general maybe not a massive landslide.)
There are several possible factors.
The Scottish Independence referendum had SNP in the news for months very recently, that publicity can not have hurt them.
The greater devolved powers in the Scottish Parliament compared to the Welsh Assembly has provided the SNP an opportunity to develop and demonstrate some real policies and presence which PC has lacked.
Scotland has been a mix of Labour, SNP and LibDems for a long time. Scottish Labour have had some very public in-fighting and obvious differences from the UK party as a whole (the "branch office" comments are still fresh in voters memories) and the LibDems (as everywhere) have collapsed, the SNP have picked up a lot of votes. In Wales, the Conservatives are much stronger, and Labour in Wales doesn't seem to have suffered from an identity crisis. That's meant there has been less for PC to gain from (the LibDem collapse has benefit everyone fairly).
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Doublethink.
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Re: turnout. People take coalition to mean, doesn't matter who you vote for.
[ 08. May 2015, 02:35: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]
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Tim Farron has kept his lib dem seat in Cumbria - my parents will be pleased - I had thought it might go back tory.
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Marvin the Martian
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Galloway has lost his seat in Bradford, apparently.
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Cod
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Re: turnout. People take coalition to mean, doesn't matter who you vote for.
Pretty poor stuff.
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I can't find figures, but reports are saying turnout was high in Scotland. `
Anyone have any figures for turnout?
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Galloway has lost his seat in Bradford, apparently.
Good
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Marvin the Martian
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My home seat of Warley has gone to Labour with an increased majority. Hardly a surprise, that one, but it's always good to see ones own constituency declared.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Sipech:
Looks like the turkeys have voted for Christmas.
The smears and lies from the vested interests of Murdoch and the rest of the Tory press seems to have won out over against the voices that sought to stand up for the poor and the disabled.
As good a night as it may seem for the SNP, ultimately they still get a Tory-led government, making them as relevant in Parliament as the Lib Dems were in the 90s.
As a matter of political reality, I'm sure that won't fly. The Conservatives will offer immediate D-Max (maximum devolution) to Scotland. A real maximum devolution, not some cosmetic job.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
I can't find figures, but reports are saying turnout was high in Scotland. `
Anyone have any figures for turnout?
70%ish the ones I've seen.
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
I can't find figures, but reports are saying turnout was high in Scotland. `
Anyone have any figures for turnout?
Latest BBC website figures:
England 63.5%
Scotland 70.7%
Wales 64.5%
Northern Ireland 56.5%
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Cross-pond they don't expect us to understand anything about UK politics, so all the reports are about How Wrong All The Polls Were. The election was supposed to be a cliff hanger, and apparently the Tories are sweeping in.
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Ye Gods.
The only debate of note: sleep or vodka. Hmm, sleep or vodka.
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Cod
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The last UK-wide +70% turnout was 1992. John Major's Conservatives actually got more votes (just over 14m) than any party since, including Labour in 1997.
By contrast, turnouts in NZ general elections historically is mid 70s to the 90s.
I wish more people in the UK would give a shit.
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Doublethink.
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Shetland have bucked the trend and retained a lib dem mp.
(Despite a 24% swing to the snp.)
[ 08. May 2015, 03:00: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]
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