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Baptist Trainfan
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Why any sensible Italian would want to come to Clacton for their holidays is beyond me ...
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Touchstone
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I find it so frustrating that UKIP got away with making immigration the scapegoat for all Britain's problems. It's a minor side issue IMO, and I agree with Alan that we probably need more not less.
I blame Labour for this: I don't expect anything better from the Tories but Labour should have aggressively taken on UKIP years ago. A lot of "immigration" issues are actually employment issues (low pay, insecure contracts, exploitation generally) - this is natural territory for Labour and would have won back their traditional supporters.
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L'organist
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UKIP, the BNP or any of the other parties of that ilk would do better to address the problem of the consistent under-performance of white working class children (particularly boys) in our school system.
And if they did a blind survey of teachers they might find that parental attitude and lack of support has a lot to do with it.
I still remember a friend of my children's father being outraged at school sending home a reading book - "I'm not doing that, its for the school to teach them to read, I've better things to do that waste time like that".
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quetzalcoatl
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Originally posted by Touchstone:
I find it so frustrating that UKIP got away with making immigration the scapegoat for all Britain's problems. It's a minor side issue IMO, and I agree with Alan that we probably need more not less.
I blame Labour for this: I don't expect anything better from the Tories but Labour should have aggressively taken on UKIP years ago. A lot of "immigration" issues are actually employment issues (low pay, insecure contracts, exploitation generally) - this is natural territory for Labour and would have won back their traditional supporters.
But Labour are feeble on so many issues like this, for example, the 'Labour broke the economy' myth. Are they frightened of upsetting Murdoch? Maybe unconsciously they think that the Tories know best.
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Touchstone
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Originally posted by Touchstone:
I find it so frustrating that UKIP got away with making immigration the scapegoat for all Britain's problems. It's a minor side issue IMO, and I agree with Alan that we probably need more not less.
I blame Labour for this: I don't expect anything better from the Tories but Labour should have aggressively taken on UKIP years ago. A lot of "immigration" issues are actually employment issues (low pay, insecure contracts, exploitation generally) - this is natural territory for Labour and would have won back their traditional supporters.
But Labour are feeble on so many issues like this, for example, the 'Labour broke the economy' myth. Are they frightened of upsetting Murdoch? Maybe unconsciously they think that the Tories know best.
I think that there was too much complacency about UKIP among the Labour leadership. They thought that UKIP would help the 35% strategy (now proved to be a crock) by taking nore votes off the Tories than Labour. A lot of Labour activists knew that this was very naïve.
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quetzalcoatl
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Well again, being Londoncentric, why was the UKIP vote low here? In my constituency, they got less than the Greens. Obvious answers are greater prosperity in London, pro-EU sentiment strong, less fear of foreigners, because the place is saturated with them, and probably loads of other stuff.
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quetzalcoatl
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Another odd thing is that the Labour vote went up more than the Tory vote. Is this just a London thing, otherwise, yours, baffled Resident.
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North East Quine
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UKIP stood in 41 Scottish constituencies and lost their deposit in all 41.
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Touchstone
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Labour were recovering from a bad defeat in 2010, so their vote share would have gone up anyway. It went up most in London and places like London: Young, diverse, well-educated populations with a high level of public sector employment. Elsewhere their vote didn't recover enough to beat the Tories who effectively absorbed the Liberal Democrats (certainly in seats and to a large extent in votes.) The wipe-out in Scotland and the collapse of the traditional Labour vote (too many lost to UKIP or staying home) killed them.
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quetzalcoatl
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UKIP stood in 41 Scottish constituencies and lost their deposit in all 41.
It suggests that UKIP thrive in conditions of neglect and decay, as in northern towns and seaside towns. When there is a sense of purpose and dynamism, as in London and Scotland, their vote is low.
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Sioni Sais
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UKIP stood in 41 Scottish constituencies and lost their deposit in all 41.
A significant change from last year's European Parliament election in which UKIP won 10.7% of the vote (for Parliamentary elections a candidate must win 5% of the votes cast) in Scotland. UKIP won nearly 28% of the vote across the UK, with Scotland bucking the trend, as ever.
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Baptist Trainfan
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And now Jim Murphy (Scottish Labour) has fallen on his sword ...
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molopata
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He did not fall on his sword, more like he was first suspended and then dropped on his sword. He would have never have been as honourable as to do it himself.
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Cod
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That's also what happened in Scotland. However, as Scotland is generally to left of England, it was Cameron who was seen as "extreme" and the "largest minority" went to the SNP.
I understand there is research which states that people in Scotland identify further to the left, however, when asked specific questions on matters such as benefits, immigration, tax, Europe, law and order and so on, there is no difference or leastways a negligible one.
YouGov have asked questions on those issues and concluded that Scots are to the left. However, YouGov draw from a pool of people who have signed up to receive opinion polls, which probably affects the outcomes.
Here's an example You can check any other constituency by clicking on the map.
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However, there is this and this and this. And I suspect that the results would have been identical had people been asked how much extra tax they would be willing to pay.
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But, again, Ormston urges caution: “We often paint ourselves as much more socially democratic and left-wing than the data shows that we are.”
It seems that talk is cheap, unlike taxes.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by L'organist:
...the BNP or any of the other parties of that ilk would do better to
...become civilised human beings instead of hateful bastards.
FIFY.
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luvanddaisies
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Gosh, Charles Kennedy has died.
He seemed a good man and a good politician. He led the Lib Dems to new electoral heights, and he was vocal in his opposition to the Iraq war.
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Sioni Sais
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Gosh, Charles Kennedy has died.
He seemed a good man and a good politician. He led the Lib Dems to new electoral heights, and he was vocal in his opposition to the Iraq war.
He was opposed to the coalition too. Let's not forget that.
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North East Quine
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It's a tragedy. And coming so soon after his father's death in April, a double blow for his family.
I didn't know him, but his father was a work colleague of my father. The whole family were very highly respected in the community. People were confident to elect him an MP at 23, because they knew that he'd had a good upbringing. Tramps and down-and-outs knew they could show up at his parents door and get a hot drink and something to eat. The young Charles grew up sharing the family dinner table with some of the most marginalised in society.
R.I.P. Charles Kennedy.
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Matt Black
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Not All Saints but
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rolyn
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He was opposed to the coalition too. Let's not forget that.
If he predicted disastrous consequences for the Lib-Dems as a result of the coalition then at least he lived long enough to see it borne out.
Not that he'd have taken any pleasure from it.
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