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Barnabas62
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We might use the 24 hour rule. If a proposal is made (this side must win now, this side must lose now, I reckon a draw is a fair outcome) then unless it is countermanded by someone making a move within 24 hours, then the proposal is accepted. But that process may be speeded up by positive support on both sides, as suggested.
(And who fancies biting on the bullet and making a Black move?)
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LeRoc
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I think I can play black again?
Gamestate - Moves 1-12
13. White - Bishop to b3: Black - Bishop to f3 taking Knight
14. White - Queen to c4: Black - Queen to e8
15. White - Pawn to f3, taking Bishop: Black - Knight to a5
16. White - Queen to c7, taking Pawn: Black - Knight to b3 taking Bishop
17. White - Pawn to b3, taking Knight: Black - Queen to c8
18. White - Queen to c8 taking Queen (check): Black - Rook takes Queen on c8
19. White - Rook to a7, taking Pawn: Black - Rook to c3, taking pawn
Current board
[Edited to remove some superfluous UBB tags; I didn't change my move]
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Barnabas62
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Third and final in this sequence from me.
Gamestate - Moves 1-12
13. White - Bishop to b3: Black - Bishop to f3 taking Knight
14. White - Queen to c4: Black - Queen to e8
15. White - Pawn to f3, taking Bishop: Black - Knight to a5
16. White - Queen to c7, taking Pawn: Black - Knight to b3 taking Bishop
17. White - Pawn to b3, taking Knight: Black - Queen to c8
18. White - Queen to c8 taking Queen (check): Black - Rook takes Queen on c8
19. White - Rook to a7, taking Pawn: Black - Rook to c3, taking pawn
20. White - Rook to b7, taking pawn:
And I reckon it's a winning endgame for White, either after 20 .....Rxp(f3) or 20 ....Bxp(d4)
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
13. White - Bishop to b3: Black - Bishop to f3 taking Knight
14. White - Queen to c4: Black - Queen to e8
15. White - Pawn to f3, taking Bishop: Black - Knight to a5
16. White - Queen to c7, taking Pawn: Black - Knight to b3 taking Bishop
17. White - Pawn to b3, taking Knight: Black - Queen to c8
18. White - Queen to c8 taking Queen (check): Black - Rook takes Queen on c8
19. White - Rook to a7, taking Pawn: Black - Rook to c3, taking pawn
20. White - Rook to b7 taking Pawn
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X-post of the same move! If you want to take mine as official, even though later, allowing you to play another, that's fine with me.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
And I reckon it's a winning endgame for White, either after 20 .....Rxp(f3) or 20 ....Bxp(d4)
I certainly agree White is very well situated, but I'd like to see this play out some more if others are game. If for no other reason that that watching others' endgames can be very instructive.
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
13. White - Bishop to b3: Black - Bishop to f3 taking Knight
14. White - Queen to c4: Black - Queen to e8
15. White - Pawn to f3, taking Bishop: Black - Knight to a5
16. White - Queen to c7, taking Pawn: Black - Knight to b3 taking Bishop
17. White - Pawn to b3, taking Knight: Black - Queen to c8
18. White - Queen to c8 taking Queen (check): Black - Rook takes Queen on c8
19. White - Rook to a7, taking Pawn: Black - Rook to c3, taking pawn
20. White - Rook to b7, taking pawn: Black - Bishop takes Pawn on d4
Could be a winning position for white, but they could screw it up. Black finally has some decent presence in the centre of the board now.
On to the end game we go...
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Sipech: Black finally has some decent presence in the centre of the board now.
Yes, that was the idea. Almost all of Black's pieces were blocked. Sure, we can move the pawns forward a bit, but White would have continued the threat on the King. That also has abated a bit now.
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It's still frustrating that black moved the king before castling, as that second rook is still as useful as a sledgehammer that's been kept in a locked cupboard and where you've lost the key.
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Sipech: It's still frustrating that black moved the king before castling, as that second rook is still as useful as a sledgehammer that's been kept in a locked cupboard and where you've lost the key.
That was my fault, when I was playing White ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
Since the end game is starting, the Black King will be moving forward at some point to help the attack on those pawns, opening that door for the Rook.
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Adam.
No, I think we should stick to precedent, since I moved first. Let's see how the crowd-sourced endgame goes. Might well be instructive!
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(BTW, I think there is a clear winning sequence for White in this position ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) . But I resisted the temptation ...)
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Hmm, maybe my time to switch back to White again ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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LeRoc
Do you see what I see?
[Somewhat unseasonal, but a temptation I couldn't resist!]
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Do you see what I see?
No I don't. I see some rather strong moves for White but no winning move. I'll keep with Black for a while to see if I have an answer to what White can come up with.
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Oh I see! I'll explain later on.
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I think I have an idea what you have in mind. Or at least what I'd have done if I were White. I also think it's possible for Black to defend against it.
But you're not allowed to move … ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4 : Black - Rook to c2
*Sigh of relief*
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Now the position has changed significantly, this is what I saw. White had a simplifying combination starting at move 21. In PGN form this is the sequence.
21 Bg2 Rc3 (forced to avoid material loss) 22 BxB RxB 23 Rb8ch Kg7 24 RxR KxR 25 Rb1. This leaves a rook and pawn endgame in which White is 2 pawns up with a passed pawn on the Queen side and a pawn majority on the King side. Rook and pawn endings can sometimes be defended when a pawn or even two pawns down, but this one looks like an easy win for White.
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I think your sequence starts with Bb2. Having two Rooks and a Bishop on a diagonal was not aa very safe position for Black.
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You're right. A typo on the iPhone. Sorry, folks.
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
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I'm at my move limit for White, so just wanted to let you all know that I'll be traveling this weekend. Look forward to seeing how things pan out when I get back!
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Adam.
I see why you think that, but I made move 20 for White before you did, which means you've only made two consecutive moves. But travel safely!
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A bit surprisingly, I'm seeing some reasonably interesting stuff for Black. Waiting for White to move.
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Agreed. Quite tactical at this point.
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Barnabas62
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LeRoc
[A PS on my simplifying move sequence starting Bb2 (not Bg2 as you correctly spotted).]
I made another writing error for move 25 which I just spotted; the White Rook moves to e1 not b1. Either move probably wins but Re1 intending Re3 to defend the pawn on b3 is the move I preferred after the simplifying combination. Seemed better to keep the Rook more central. Unfortunately I just wrote the wrong one down. Must take more care!
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If Le Roc would be so kind as to do an updated boardstate diagram with pieces in the places given from the corrected moves, it would be very helpful.
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This is where we are right now; it's White's turn.
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
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Multiple threats from both sides on this stage. I'm a bit busy right know but I'm curious to see how this will pan out.
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Yes, it's quite different to the technical Rook and Pawn endgame I was envisaging just a few moves ago. Fascinating position.
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I do think the best option for White here is to accept the exchange.
Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop
Board
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop: Black - Bishop to g8, check
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I'm assuming you meant a Rook instead of a Bishop. I've edited the move accordingly.
Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop: Black - Rook to g8, check
25. White - King to h1
At least all the effort Black did to mess up White's pawn structure finally paid off
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop: Black - Rook to g8, check
25. White - King to h1: Black - pawn to f6, taking Bishop
(sorry about the move typo, you were right of course. I think I've got this one right!)
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No problem.
Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop: Black - Rook to g8, check
25. White - King to h1: Black - pawn to f6, taking Bishop
26. White - Rook to d1
Board
[Edited to make my move bold; I didn't change it.]
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop: Black - Rook to g8, check
25. White - King to h1: Black - pawn to f6, taking Bishop
26. White - Rook to d1: Black - Rook to c8
I think that is the best way of avoiding the back rank mate. And that's my three in a row!
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I think it was the only way to avoid the check-mate? Well, it was worth a try
My three moves are up too.
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There was Ke8.
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Barnabas62: There was Ke8.
Ah yes, I see. Of course, after this move White could have repeated the mate threat by 27. Ra1.
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Which, of course, forces Rc8. I think White is winning in this position, but there are mutual backrank mate threats. It will be interesting to see what other members of the crowd make of this!
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To be honest, I'm a bit surprised how strong Black still is at this point. This is the board right now, it's White's turn. Curious to see how this will pan out.
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop: Black - Rook to g8, check
25. White - King to h1: Black - pawn to f6, taking Bishop
26. White - Rook to d1: Black - Rook to c8
27. White - Pawn to f5 taking Pawn
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I am inclined to think we should play to mate or stalemate (x3 repeated moves I think it is), unless the game stalls for lack of participation. Simply because with multiple players, assumptions on how the endgame will play out are much less reliable when we're not in a one on one game.
If we were to go with proposed endings, I'd favour some variant of Barnabus62's suggestion.
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OK. But some positions are so lost that playing on is a waste of everyone's time. King and Queen, or Rook, or two Bishops, or Bishop and knight, versus lone King are well known in this category. Playing on as the lone King can only be in the hope that the stronger team will make a mistake and stalemate you, or repeat the position three times. That can happen in an "over the board" game, but not in this form, where folks have a long time to consider their next move.
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Gamestate - Moves 1-12
Moves 13-20
21. White - Pawn to f4: Black - Rook to c2
22. White - Pawn to f5: Black - Pawn to f5, taking pawn
23. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Bishop to f6
24. White - Bishop to f6 taking Bishop: Black - Rook to g8, check
25. White - King to h1: Black - pawn to f6, taking Bishop
26. White - Rook to d1: Black - Rook to c8
27. White - Pawn to f5 taking Pawn: Black - Rook to g7
White should be able to push the material advantage (i.e. I don't think black can force a win, but let's see what those on the white team decide to do.
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