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Barnabas62
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On the two pieces for a Rook line, it does follow Qxb(c4). The check sequence 9. Nc7ch Kd8 (Kd7 is impossible) 10 NxR QxPch can be followed by 11. ....b6 and 12. .... Bb7, winning the Knight on a8 for a pawn and also putting Black's white-squared Bishop on that dangerous open diagonal. Something like that, anyway. Knight forks early in a game often lead to the Knight getting trapped on a8, and eventually lost.
There are lots of variations depending on the ways in which Black threatens mate, or which piece Black decides to recover. It gets quite tricky!
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LeRoc
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Barnabas62: (Kd7 is impossible)
Oops.
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Barnabas62: Knight forks early in a game often lead to the Knight getting trapped on a8, and eventually lost.
Ah yes, it would be difficult to defend against that.
So, let us see what 8. Nxc6 brings: (Repeating because of the page break)
1. White - Pawn to e4: Black - Pawn to c5
2. White - Knight to f3: Black - Knight to c6
3. White - Bishop to c4: Black - Pawn to e6
4. White - Pawn to d4: Black - Pawn from c5 to d4, takes Pawn
5. White - Knight to d4, takes Pawn: Black - Knight to f6
6. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Queen to a5, check
7. White - Bishop to d2: Black - Queen to c5
8. White - Knight to c6, takes Knight
Current board, Black to move.
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Leorning Cniht
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1. White - Pawn to e4: Black - Pawn to c5
2. White - Knight to f3: Black - Knight to c6
3. White - Bishop to c4: Black - Pawn to e6
4. White - Pawn to d4: Black - Pawn from c5 to d4, takes Pawn
5. White - Knight to d4, takes Pawn: Black - Knight to f6
6. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Queen to a5, check
7. White - Bishop to d2: Black - Queen to c5
8. White - Knight to c6, takes Knight: Black - Queen to c4, takes Bishop
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Barnabas62
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That's certainly best and probably leads to a win.
1. White - Pawn to e4: Black - Pawn to c5
2. White - Knight to f3: Black - Knight to c6
3. White - Bishop to c4: Black - Pawn to e6
4. White - Pawn to d4: Black - Pawn from c5 to d4, takes Pawn
5. White - Knight to d4, takes Pawn: Black - Knight to f6
6. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Queen to a5, check
7. White - Bishop to d2: Black - Queen to c5
8. White - Knight to c6, takes Knight: Black - Queen to c4, takes Bishop
9. White - Knight to b4:
Giving up the pawn and the right to castle next move. Horrible position for White.
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LeRoc
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I agree that Black's best option was to take the Bishop instead of the Knight.
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Caissa
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White should resign.
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Barnabas62
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Not on this thread! There is always room for reciprocal blunders. That's part of the charm.
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Leorning Cniht
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1. White - Pawn to e4: Black - Pawn to c5
2. White - Knight to f3: Black - Knight to c6
3. White - Bishop to c4: Black - Pawn to e6
4. White - Pawn to d4: Black - Pawn from c5 to d4, takes Pawn
5. White - Knight to d4, takes Pawn: Black - Knight to f6
6. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Queen to a5, check
7. White - Bishop to d2: Black - Queen to c5
8. White - Knight to c6, takes Knight: Black - Queen to c4, takes Bishop
9. White - Knight to b4: Black - Queen to e4, takes Pawn. Check.
Was tempted by something else, but let's see what happens here.
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moonlitdoor
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1. White - Pawn to e4: Black - Pawn to c5
2. White - Knight to f3: Black - Knight to c6
3. White - Bishop to c4: Black - Pawn to e6
4. White - Pawn to d4: Black - Pawn from c5 to d4, takes Pawn
5. White - Knight to d4, takes Pawn: Black - Knight to f6
6. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Queen to a5, check
7. White - Bishop to d2: Black - Queen to c5
8. White - Knight to c6, takes Knight: Black - Queen to c4, takes Bishop
9. White - Knight to b4: Black - Bishop to b4 takes Knight
I hope that is not the reciprocal mistake
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Barnabas62
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Actually, I now think White should resign. My last move was also a horrible error, losing a piece as well as a pawn.
LC's move stands but after 10. White - King to f1, Black can play moonlitdoor's move 10 ....Black -Bishop to b4, takes Knight. Winning the Knight as well, since after 11 White Bishop takes Knight, Black Queen takes the Bishop.
Is there anyone who thinks White has a cat in hell's chance in this game now? Otherwise, I reckon we should start a new game.
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LeRoc
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Heh the Knight should have gone to a5, not b4.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by moonlitdoor:
9. White - Knight to b4: Black - Bishop to b4 takes Knight
I hope that is not the reciprocal mistake
That was the move I was tempted by. I think it's a better move than the one I made.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
LC's move stands but after 10. White - King to f1, Black can play moonlitdoor's move 10 ....Black -Bishop to b4, takes Knight. Winning the Knight as well, since after 11 White Bishop takes Knight, Black Queen takes the Bishop.
I think if white plays 10. Qe2 here then white doesn't lose the extra piece immediately, but the best he can do is end up another pawn or two down.
Either way it looks like he's hanging on and hoping for a mistake.
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Barnabas62
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True. I saw that after I posted. It's why moonlitdoor's immediate capture was better than your Qxpch. But Qe2 from White also looks as though it leads to further material loss. I still reckon White's best move is Resign!
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LeRoc
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Now I almost feel guilty for having played Qa5+ ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Barnabas62
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Well, since I have a move left out of my three, since I compounded the mess by my last Knight move, I'll give other's a chance to look at the White position next move.
1. White - Pawn to e4: Black - Pawn to c5
2. White - Knight to f3: Black - Knight to c6
3. White - Bishop to c4: Black - Pawn to e6
4. White - Pawn to d4: Black - Pawn from c5 to d4, takes Pawn
5. White - Knight to d4, takes Pawn: Black - Knight to f6
6. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Queen to a5, check
7. White - Bishop to d2: Black - Queen to c5
8. White - Knight to c6, takes Knight: Black - Queen to c4, takes Bishop
9. White - Knight to b4: Black - Queen to e4, takes Pawn. Check.
10. White - Queen to e2:
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Caissa
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Doesn't B x b4 just win a piece? If white plays Q X e4, Black plays B xd2 + before recapturing the Q.
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Barnabas62
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In that sequence, the White Knight captures the Bishop on d2 and is then able to capture the Black Knight when it captures the White Queen on e4.
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Caissa
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Thanks, Barnabass. The horizon effect.
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Leorning Cniht
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1. White - Pawn to e4: Black - Pawn to c5
2. White - Knight to f3: Black - Knight to c6
3. White - Bishop to c4: Black - Pawn to e6
4. White - Pawn to d4: Black - Pawn from c5 to d4, takes Pawn
5. White - Knight to d4, takes Pawn: Black - Knight to f6
6. White - Bishop to g5: Black - Queen to a5, check
7. White - Bishop to d2: Black - Queen to c5
8. White - Knight to c6, takes Knight: Black - Queen to c4, takes Bishop
9. White - Knight to b4: Black - Queen to e4, takes Pawn. Check.
10. White - Queen to e2: Black - Queen to g2, takes Pawn.
That's my three moves up.
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moonlitdoor
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Funnily enough I was looking at the board for several minutes before trying to make Black's 9th, wondering if I was falling for a trap by Barnabas62. Waited for so long that I was overtaken by Leorning Cniht, then it wasn't a trap after all.
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Barnabas62
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Last chance for anyone else to move for White. My 24 hours of "no move" are up in about half an hour, so I reckon I'm free to continue to prove that White is lost!
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Barnabas62
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Moves 1-10
11. White - Rook to f1
Current position
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Caissa
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I still think White should resign. Any opportunities of interest require a massive blunder by Black
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Doublethink.
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Clearly, I have not posted enough moves ...
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Barnabas62
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White looks like going three pawns down now, but if he can get castled Queenside and make use of the open spaces, there may be a bit of life left in the position. But I think Black can prevent that.
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Doublethink.
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I don't understand why white can't still win.
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Doublethink.
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Moves 1-10
11. White - Rook to f1: Black - Knight to e4
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moonlitdoor
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Interesting. I was about to play N to g4 there, which I think may prevent white castling queen's side.
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Barnabas62
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Moves 1-10
11. White - Rook to f1: Black - Knight to e4
12. White - Knight to d3:
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Barnabas62
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Bump!
Nobody wants to beat White?
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Caissa
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I think it is more likely people think white should resign.
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Barnabas62
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DT is the moderator, happy for her to determine whether the game is is over.
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Doublethink.
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I suspect that repeatedly saying white should resign has not acted as a spur to anyone's desire to move for white.
That said, let's call time on this particular game.
It is one all between white and black - best of 3, new game ?
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Barnabas62
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Fine by me. So here goes with a new move 1.
1. White - Pawn to e4
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moonlitdoor
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
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Caissa
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4
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moonlitdoor
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
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Caissa
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
3. White - Knight to c3
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
3. White - Knight to c3 : Black - Pawn to g6
That's my 3 moves so time for someone else.
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Barnabas62
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
3. White - Knight to c3 : Black - Pawn to g6
4. White - Pawn to h3
From what little I know of this variation, Black often tries to swop off his QB via an early Bg4. So a modest pawn move ..
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
3. White - Knight to c3 : Black - Pawn to g6
4. White - Pawn to h3: Black - Pawn to e6
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Caissa
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What is the point of h3?
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Caissa
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
3. White - Knight to c3 : Black - Pawn to g6
4. White - Pawn to h3: Black - Pawn to e6
5. White pawn to e5
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Caissa
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re. h3, Black normaly develops the bishop on f5. Black's choice of g6 is also interesting.
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Apparently... g6, h3 is a book variation. Black normally follows with Bg7 instead of e6.
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Barnabas62
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Gurgenidze system
Interesting video link. I didn't know h3 was a book line but it seems to frustrate any attempt to establish that line. I thought it was a little slow, but worth a try.
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Sorry - should have said " I didn't know h3 was a book line but it seems to frustrate any attempt to establish the main objective of the Gurgenidze system (the positioning of the Black Kingside Knight)." Too many "that line"s!
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
3. White - Knight to c3 : Black - Pawn to g6
4. White - Pawn to h3: Black - Pawn to e6
5. White pawn to e5: Black - Bishop to b4
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1. White - Pawn to e4 : Black - Pawn to c6
2. White - pawn to d4 : Black - Pawn to d5
3. White - Knight to c3 : Black - Pawn to g6
4. White - Pawn to h3: Black - Pawn to e6
5. White pawn to e5: Black - Bishop to b4
6. White = Bishop to d2
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