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simontoad
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Three cheers for the positive stuff on page 119, especially the stuff from US Shipmates. I'm not sure I would have any degree of perspective on the election if I was over there.
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Barnabas62
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This strikes me as a very good report on the state of play. I hadn't realised that the undecided percentage was still relatively high compared with 2012. The 'shy Trump supporters' argument strikes me as a real risk given the undoubted polarisation, the candidate antics, and the 'outsider' mindset. It doesn't take more than about 3 out of a hundred of those polled to hide behind 'undecided' just for the 'fun' of thumbing their noses at the pollsters.
On the other hand, the NBC poll is reported to be showing Hillary 20 points ahead with women voters. I find that very easy to believe. The 'disgusted' factor strikes me as very likely to be in play right up to November 8.
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Wesley J
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
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Gaaaa. WaPo.
Why gaaaa WaPo? Irony? Sarcasm? Not a fan of that paper? Anything else?
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I've seen/heard very little info about Mary Anne MacLeod Trump, Donald's mom. I knew she was from an island off Scotland, but that was about it. So I poked around online. Wikipedia mentions her, in passing, on Donald's page. But she has no page of her own, even though her husband does.
The New Yorker has a good article on her.
The Christian Science Monitor also has a little bit on her in an article on Trump's immigrant connections.
NOTE: If you go looking for more info, there's a rather scary picture of her on various sites. She was in her '80s, and her trademark hairdo had become extreme. Some say it's identical to Donald's hair. I don't see that, but there are echoes. Anyway, I had a strong "OMG!" reaction to it, so I'm not posting a link. But if you do a web search on "Trump's mother", you can easily find it in the articles on the first page.
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Barnabas62
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I have to say that when reading the latest Trump focus on "election rigging" my immediate reaction was to channel Victor Meldrew.
He really is crazy.
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Martin60
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And he can win. 15% are undecided. Another unprecedent.
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Originally posted by Stetson:
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George Wallace levels of naivety about Russia cheered on by a latter day Alger Hiss with a side order of sleaze
I think you mean Henry, not George.
And who is "Alger Hiss" in the Trump campaign?
Quite right, I got my Wallace's mixed up. At least I didn't invoke Ian. Or William. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
Alger Hiss is Assange. There's not much difference, morally, between passing confidential information to the Russians and leaking it to influence the election of the Russian government's preferred candidate in an election. If someone was pulling that sort of thing to get a Democrat elected at Brezhnev's behest, back in the day, the Republicans, quite properly, would have been incensed. We live in very strange times.
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by Martin60:
And he can win. 15% are undecided. Another unprecedent.
Of course, he can win. But the odds are not at all in his favor.
Even with 15% undecided, he'd have to get a much larger share of them than he has of the decided voters. That may be an even bigger task this year that it would normally be. It appears that one reason for the unprecedented numbers of "undecideds" this year is because they really, really don't like either of the two main choices. These are not people Trump can likely woo easily. It is just as likely, if not more likely, that they'll end up voting for a 3rd party candidate or not voting at all.
And Trump not only has to get the lion's share of undecided voters, he has to get them properly distributed in the right states to win—it does him no good to get all 15% if they're all in states he would win anyway. Based on a recent Quinnipiac poll, the number of undecided voters seems to be closer to 6% in Florida, 4% in North Carolina, 4% in Ohio and 7% in Pennsylvania. Unless he can also get Arizona, he'd pretty much need to get something close to all undecided voters in these 4 states to get over 270 in the Electoral College.
So he can win, but as of now the actual chances of him winning appear to be pretty low, around 15%.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Three cheers for the positive stuff on page 119, especially the stuff from US Shipmates. I'm not sure I would have any degree of perspective on the election if I was over there.
God bless you, sir.
First thing in my news feed today: a guy beat a Chicago Transit Authority bus driver over the head with a bag of frozen chicken. People are losing it.
Oh, and some shithead tried to burn down the GOP campaign headquarters in Atlanta, GA. yesterday.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Oh, and some shithead tried to burn down the GOP campaign headquarters in Atlanta, GA. yesterday.
But some Democrat set up a Gofundme and a group of mostly Democrats raised $13k toward repairing the damage. That's the kind of bipartisanship it's encouraging to see.
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Oh, and some shithead tried to burn down the GOP campaign headquarters in Atlanta, GA. yesterday.
I haven't seen anything about an incident in Atlanta. Do you maybe mean the Orange County (NC) GOP HQ in Hillsborough? Someone tossed a Molotov cocktail through a window there. (Apparently it went out on its own.)
Meanwhile, some Democrats started a gofundme campaign to raise $10k for rebuilding at the Republican HQ. They met and exceeded the goal in 40 minutes.
Edit: Cross-posted with mousethief—again assuming we're talking about Hillsborough, NC, and not Atlanta.
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Kelly Alves
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Yeah, sorry, misremembered.
And I hadn't heard about the gofundme thing. Cool!
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
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Gaaaa. WaPo.
Why gaaaa WaPo? Irony? Sarcasm? Not a fan of that paper? Anything else?
Paid subscription firewall.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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It is annoying, I agree, that so much of the POST's excellent political coverage is behind their paywall. Here are some free stories:
This is from the Beeb: the ABCs of Hillary hatred. It is some comfort to reflect that all political figures are foci for irrational emotion. I am still waiting for Obama to initiate that Muslim caliphate; he's let it drag 7 1/2 years now and has left himself almost no time to spread his Sauron-like dark wings over the globe properly. He had better get it in gear.
Depressing event: a GOP office is firebombed in North Carolina. Encouraging reaction: Democrats immediately started a GoFundMe campaign to repair and fix the place, and the drive is now way over the target amount. It took less than four hours.
The candidates themselves reacted to the crime quite differently. I find it encouraging that even his supporters can discern the quality of the one response versus the other.
Another compassionate piece, helping Trump supporters to recover.
Minor personal anecdote: I have a desultory and casual Facebook page, which is taken up mostly with discussions of daily minutiae and pictures of my grandson. Lately I have added the odd political link -- I have already found fun ones and posted them here, right? A friend of a friend (i.e. not someone who has friended me) hopped on and began Trumpsplaining, a grand neologism that means exactly what you think. I responded in a soft-answer-turns-away-wrath mode that I know must have enraged her: You'll feel better soon, dear. Have you considered lying down and holding a cold cloth to your forehead? She became insulting and vicious, and I had to block her. The one friend we have in common on FB (through whom she clearly found me) sent me a message, confiding that she had been Trumpsplaining all over her friends' boards, and they had been kindly and gently refusing to reply to any of them. This had driven her to complain to Facebook that her posts were not visible, and finally to seek friends of friends to post to...
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Martin60
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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
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Originally posted by Martin60:
And he can win. 15% are undecided. Another unprecedent.
Of course, he can win. But the odds are not at all in his favor.
Even with 15% undecided, he'd have to get a much larger share of them than he has of the decided voters. That may be an even bigger task this year that it would normally be. It appears that one reason for the unprecedented numbers of "undecideds" this year is because they really, really don't like either of the two main choices. These are not people Trump can likely woo easily. It is just as likely, if not more likely, that they'll end up voting for a 3rd party candidate or not voting at all.
And Trump not only has to get the lion's share of undecided voters, he has to get them properly distributed in the right states to win—it does him no good to get all 15% if they're all in states he would win anyway. Based on a recent Quinnipiac poll, the number of undecided voters seems to be closer to 6% in Florida, 4% in North Carolina, 4% in Ohio and 7% in Pennsylvania. Unless he can also get Arizona, he'd pretty much need to get something close to all undecided voters in these 4 states to get over 270 in the Electoral College.
So he can win, but as of now the actual chances of him winning appear to be pretty low, around 15%.
Excellent Nick, thanks. 1:6.66.. STILL not low enough!
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Brenda Clough
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That number makes me uneasy.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Gaaaa. WaPo.
Why gaaaa WaPo? Irony? Sarcasm? Not a fan of that paper? Anything else?
Paid subscription firewall.
Every so often they run a huge deal: $19 online access for a year. Give the site your email and you'll get their advertising - totally worth it IMO.
As for it being annoying that they want to get paid for their work: ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
I have to say that when reading the latest Trump focus on "election rigging" my immediate reaction was to channel Victor Meldrew.
He really is crazy.
Here's a series of tweets by Ashby Law (a law firm specializing in election law that mostly serves Republican clients) on why it's virtually impossible to rig an American election. Here's a quick summary of what's being suggested from tweets 22-25:
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To rig an election, you would need (1) technological capabilities that might exist only in Mission Impossible movies plus (2) the cooperation of the Rs and Ds who are serving as a precinct’s elex offs, plus (3) the blind eyes of R and D poll watchers plus (4) the cooperation of another set of Rs & Ds – the officials at the post-elex canvass, plus (5) the blind eyes of their watchers. Then you’d still have to trick lawyers, operatives & elex admins, who are scrubbing precinct-level returns for aberrant elex results.
That's a huge conspiracy that's being postulated. Much larger than could plausibly be kept secret.
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Brenda Clough
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From the Atlantic, a good discussion of Trump's personality. The links through, to the PBS documentary about the two candidates, are worth pursuing as well. The TFO is as he always was; he is not mentally ill and has not changed. What you see is what you always had.
The tragic arc of the GOP in our lifetimes. Another thing that is not going to get better.
From the POST, the latest analysis of the polls. The conclusion is that the TFO has hit his ceiling.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Paid subscription firewall.
It looks like you can get around it by clicking whatever you have to click in your browser to stop the page from loading -- in between the time that the article loads and the pop-up appears blocking your ability to read it.
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Wesley J
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I can access the WaPo articles. (Not The Times though.) Perhaps helps to delete your cookies every now and then? Some sites give you a certain number of free articles per month/week, but they only know when the cookies hang in there.
That said, RuthW is of course right about supporting this kind of investigative journalism by paying up!
ETA: Thanks for the tip, Miss Amanda!
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I am still waiting for Obama to initiate that Muslim caliphate; he's let it drag 7 1/2 years now and has left himself almost no time to spread his Sauron-like dark wings over the globe properly. He had better get it in gear.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
This strikes me as a very good report on the state of play. I hadn't realised that the undecided percentage was still relatively high compared with 2012. The 'shy Trump supporters' argument strikes me as a real risk given the undoubted polarisation, the candidate antics, and the 'outsider' mindset. It doesn't take more than about 3 out of a hundred of those polled to hide behind 'undecided' just for the 'fun' of thumbing their noses at the pollsters.
I think the "shy Trump" supporter thing is probably real, but I think a bigger (and more positive) factor is the "rational Republican" factor. I know a good many "rational Republicans"-- none in office, mind you, but out there in the Real World. And they are well and truly s*****d in this election. Most will not support Clinton for ideological reasons, but can't vote for Trump because, well, they have to live in this country past inauguration day.
A good many of these I think will vote for a 3rd party candidate or abstain from the presidential choice all together. And, especially if they're in a blue state, I think that is a good choice.
I'm a passionate Clinton supporter-- agree with probably 80-90% of her agenda, which is not a bad deal. I would be voting for her even if the GOP candidate were a credible human being who didn't threaten to turn this into a third-world dictatorship.
But... the flip side of Trump's ridiculous candidacy is how little focus there's been on the issues. There are some valid concerns about Clinton-- concerns that, in a different election, would have been addressed, and would put her on warning/hold her accountable to clean up her more messy relationships with Goldman-Sachs etc. With Trump's erratic and Nazi-esque behavior, of course, those pale in comparison-- meaning there's been no accountability. Similarly, while Clinton has some real policy statements about real issues, those haven't been discussed/ examined the way they would in a real election, because Trump has absolutely none-- there's no counter-proposal to compare/contrast with her ideas re health care, the economy, income inequality, Syria, ISIS, etc.
Even though again, I'm a passionate Clinton supporter, this lack of accountability isn't good for the country. I pray fervently that she wins-- because the alternative is simply unthinkable. And Trump needs to lose big to demonstrate that we are not the country he seems to think we are. But it would probably be a good thing if there is a large "protest vote" so that Clinton does not have an easy mandate, but is held accountable to address all the unexamined pieces.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I was just remembering that Sarah's response to Tina Fey's impersonation of her on SNL was to make her own appearance alongside Tina Fey. She may be a dimwit, but she at least had a sense of humor.
Heh, I forgot about that. That was a classy move.
Indeed. As was McCain's later appearance when it seemed clear his campaign was dead in the water. Then, years earlier, there was the first President Bush, who asked Dana Carvey to hilariously impersonate him in his final press conference.
All class acts. I remember when Republicans had a sense of humor.
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cliffdweller
A quick update on the womens vote forecast. The 538 website is now saying that HC has a 20 percentage point lead over DT with women voters. That's probably the most significant demographic in play. 'Trump makes my flesh crawl and there is no way I'm voting for that creep'.
It looks as though Michelle Obama caught the mood, gave it voice, and pointed out the voting imperative. That may be seen as the decisive moment, even more than the release of the recording.
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Fiction?
Sounded pretty accurate to me.....
BTW, if Michelle Obama doesn't want ever to run for President of the USA, maybe she would like to come over this side of the pond, and be our Prime Minister (at the moment, an office to which one does not have to be elected, it seems).
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Fantasy, I know - but I would just love to see a debate between Michelle Obama and our beloved Nigel 'UKipper' Garbage.
Guess who my money would be on.... ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
cliffdweller
A quick update on the womens vote forecast. The 538 website is now saying that HC has a 20 percentage point lead over DT with women voters. That's probably the most significant demographic in play. 'Trump makes my flesh crawl and there is no way I'm voting for that creep'.
It looks as though Michelle Obama caught the mood, gave it voice, and pointed out the voting imperative. That may be seen as the decisive moment, even more than the release of the recording.
Not really sure why this is directed at me, but totally agree that any woman who would vote for Trump is seriously messed up.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
cliffdweller
A quick update on the womens vote forecast. The 538 website is now saying that HC has a 20 percentage point lead over DT with women voters. That's probably the most significant demographic in play. 'Trump makes my flesh crawl and there is no way I'm voting for that creep'.
It looks as though Michelle Obama caught the mood, gave it voice, and pointed out the voting imperative. That may be seen as the decisive moment, even more than the release of the recording.
Not really sure why this is directed at me, but totally agree that any woman who would vote for Trump is seriously messed up.
I thought it might be of specific interest to you because of this from your previous post.
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And Trump needs to lose big to demonstrate that we are not the country he seems to think we are.
It is looking more and more likely that women will ensure that, which I regard as an excellent message for the majority of the electorate to send out to the others.
But I also agree with your observation about accountability.
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We got this in our mail box today. Presumably everyone in Ohio did. I think if you click on it you can make it bigger.
CCV voters guide
A lot of things like "protect Biblical religious conscience," are meaningless, most are misleading and other's are just plain false.
It's a worry. Trump is already one point ahead here and no one has ever lost Ohio and won the election.
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The 538 website is forecasting Ohio for Clinton. A 2℅ lead and a 65℅ probability of victory. Looking at the details, there is quite a spread in the findings of recent local polls, so it's clearly close.
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A lot of things like "protect Biblical religious conscience," are meaningless, most are misleading and other's are just plain false.
That one's pretty obvious. If you're a Christian who follows the Bible, your religious conscience will be legally protected. If you're a follower of some other faith, not so much.
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It's a worry. Trump is already one point ahead here and no one has ever lost Ohio and won the election.
Not true. No Republican has ever lost Ohio and won the election. Several Democrats have done it, most recently John Kennedy.
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Ahhh, sorry. My local news station just lied to me -- or I misheard them. You can see why I'm worried about things like that flier. People like me might read them in a hurry and get all sorts of wrong ideas.
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Twilight
To judge from the state polls, in order of the most marginal first, Trump has to win all of the following; Arizona, Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada and Colorado, in order to scrape home in the electoral college. I suspect local radio may be being a bit economical about that as well.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
That number makes me uneasy.
Beastly isn't it?! 1:6.66.. Martin Sheen's Greg Stillson in The Dead Zone comes to mind!
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Over on Salon, Clinton is in good shape. Money quote: "GOP nominees have carried Georgia in seven of the last eight presidential elections. But about a quarter of the state’s voters are African American, a reliably Democratic-voting bloc. Like Virginia, Georgia is also home to well-educated young professionals more likely to favor Clinton, said Chris Jankowski, a Virginia-based national GOP consultant.
“With Trump bleeding out, he could find himself competing to win the white vote in Georgia,” Jankowski said. “That’s when you know it’s over.”"
From the Atlantic, he has certainly lost the black vote.
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Nebraska is kind of interesting to watch. The 2nd district (Omaha and surroundings) is barely in the Red column per 538, and may drop into the blue shortly.
The 3rd (everything west of Lincoln, plus a few rural counties in the northeast and southeast) is about as close to a sure thing for Republicans as there is.
For you Cornhusker state watchers, 538 just flipped the 2nd to the lightest of blue today.
The 3rd, on the other hand, finally got some polling data out, and Trump holds a 40% lead.
Maybe he can move to Kearney after this is all done. It seems to be one of the few places where he remains extremely popular.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
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From the Atlantic, he has certainly lost the black vote.
What a great quote on the latter link:
“He has made it comfortable to hate again in this country.”
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Putting Host Hat on for a moment.
A reminder to all participants in this thread (including me) that this is a discussion forum and as in all threads, links should be used in support of, or in contradiction to, a discussion point. Otherwise the thread is in danger of becoming simply an information service. That's not a bad thing in itself but it isn't the primary purpose of any thread
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I had a dream last night in which the manager with responsibility for my area had a heart attack, and I was an aide in an Irish-Australian woman's bid for the Presidency (she was eligible, somehow). My manager is Irish, and they knew each other. The biggest problem we had on the campaign trail was trying to get our candidate to speak slowly so that the Americans could understand her. Some Irish people can speak very high pitched and at enormous speed.
We were at a rally, and I spotted a bloke controlling crowd response by a complicated system of gestures and facial expressions. I thought, "Gee, they are so much more advanced in this country."
By the way, I thought I had forgiven that manager for an incident about 5 years ago. It seems that my subconscious says no.
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Here's a link to an Irish lady so you know what I mean: Mrs Doyle
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You know the American election is awful when it causes people in Australia to have bad dreams.
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The GOP's problem is that they've been on the losing side of every social and fiscal issue in the last 50 years. We know their tax cuts don't work the way they say they will; instead, they helped a few people get even richer and fucked over everybody else and ran up huge deficits anyway. The GOP has nothing to offer e.g. a young urban conservative who has gay friends and smokes the occasional doobie. All they have left is fear of change and a desire to turn the clock back to 1965 or even 1865*.
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*It's funny how the GOP continually brag about a REPUBLICAN president freeing the slaves, but still cling to the Confederate flag and "states' rights".
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Joe Exotic for President!*
May other year, this guy would seem crazy. But not so much when someone like Trump makes the Republican nominee.
*Links to a video that is mostly worksafe, but does mention kinky sex.
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