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Golden Key
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Couple of things from the radio news:
--Guam can't vote in US elections (commonwealth sort of thing). But they do a straw poll each time, and evidently have a good track record. Hillary won there.
--There was a check-in with a 6-person town, near the Canadian border. IIRC, 2 for Hillary, 1 for Trump, 1 for Gary Johnson (Libertarian), and 1 write-in for Mitt Romney.
--Upthread, I posted about a grade school where the students have a perfect, long track record of picking the presidential winner. (They have an interesting way of doing it, making it sort of a school project for kindergarten to fifth grade.) They picked Hillary. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Brenda
I suppose one of the issues will be this one. Just how much of a dystopia do the disaffected believe they already live in?
Are you kidding? Gays getting married, men pissing in women's bathrooms, blacks getting welfare (and OUR jobs), Moslems being allowed into the country, Mexican immigrants getting jobs tending lawns for the rich -- it's hell out there man. It's hell.
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Martin60
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Well that's all right then, "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN". Should have taken out an overnight spot sterling loan, to be repaid tomorrow in dollars I haven't bought yet, at today's exchange rate.
[ 08. November 2016, 23:24: Message edited by: Martin60 ]
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Golden Key
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(Slight tangent.)
Bless PBS and my local station! In addition to covering the election, they're also running "Last Tango In Hallifax" and "Downton Abbey" tonight. Breathing room. w00t!
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Blessed Gator, pray for us!
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--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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Sipech
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Watching the election coverage. This is terrifying. ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
(Slight tangent.)
Bless PBS and my local station! In addition to covering the election, they're also running "Last Tango In Hallifax" and "Downton Abbey" tonight. Breathing room. w00t!
I've also escaped to Downton Abbey, but on DVD.
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Kelly Alves
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I'm trying to hold out hope. All I can think is, "My profession is about to be decimated..." because, seriously, it will be.
The best years (fiscally and philosophically) for early childhood education were the 90's, and one big reason for that was the efforts of the current Democratic candidate. Laugh all want about "It takes a village", but that campaign meant dollars in the pocket of Headstart.
And I AM the village.
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mousethief
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Well it's going to be an interesting 4 years. In the sense of the curse, "May you live in interesting times." We are, I regret to inform, fucked.
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Huia
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I've taken to my bed with the latest Linda Fairstein, that's enough suspense for me.
Does it look as bad as I fear?
John Campbell, the guy anchoring the report on Radio NZ is obviously partisan (for Hillary)and he is not sounding happy.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Sipech:
Watching the election coverage. This is terrifying.
IME, tracking difficult news can be easier if you listen to it on the radio, read it, or put favorite music on while watching/listening.
I had our local classical music station on for a while, while inattentively watching some news. Haydn made it easier!
And, if you can manage it, a "news fast" can be helpful, even if it's just for a couple of hours.
Tying yourself (gen.) in knots, and developing/triggering an ulcer, reflux, or high blood pressure won't help anything--and will likely make you less able to cope with whatever happens.
Not said in a perky, sugary way. I figured this out in the wake of 9/11, and honed it in other situations.
IME, FWIW, YMMV.
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--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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Canadian news has the serial groper winning at 55% chance, and the republican party also controlling your senate. In the time it has taken to post this, the prediction has been 55% for trump changed to 52% Clinton. May God have mercy on all our souls, and the world. Which ever wins, what a broken thing.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I'm trying to hold out hope. All I can think is, "My profession is about to be decimated..." because, seriously, it will be.
{{{{{{Kelly}}}}}}} ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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Sipech
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Golden Key, my alternative is listening to the cricket. England won the toss and have just opened the batting against India.
North Carolina now looks like it's gone to Nyarlathotep.
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mousethief
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Hills needs either Arizona or Michigan, and needs to hang onto Pennsylvania. That's her only chance. And it don't look good.
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molopata
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Just woke up from my slumber to this. G,W., come home all is forgiven. If Clinton wins, I'll promise never to say anything nasty about you again.
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Golden Key
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Sipech--
If your connection/ device/ environment permit: YouTube (dot com); LastFM (dot com), radio/music; LibriVox (dot org), free public domain audio books; and the classical station I mentioned, KDFC (dot com).
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Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?" (Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon")
--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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Barnabas62
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Woke early. Wish I hadn't.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by molopata:
Just woke up from my slumber to this. G,W., come home all is forgiven. If Clinton wins, I'll promise never to say anything nasty about you again.
Amen to that.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by molopata:
Just woke up from my slumber to this. G,W., come home all is forgiven. If Clinton wins, I'll promise never to say anything nasty about you again.
Amen to that.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Golden Key
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molopata--
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Originally posted by molopata:
Just woke up from my slumber to this. G,W., come home all is forgiven. If Clinton wins, I'll promise never to say anything nasty about you again.
Who is/are G W? Dubya Bush?
Thx.
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molopata
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
molopata--
quote:
Originally posted by molopata:
Just woke up from my slumber to this. G,W., come home all is forgiven. If Clinton wins, I'll promise never to say anything nasty about you again.
Who is/are G W? Dubya Bush?
Thx.
That's it: Double Ewe Bush.
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Wesley J
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Originally posted by welsh dragon:
America
world
Dear God!
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Leorning Cniht
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Nate Silver wins again. He had Trump with a ~30% chance of victory going in to the election, whereas everyone else had Trump nowhere. Basically the difference between the models is that Nate Silver has big correlations between similar states: being narrowly ahead in half a dozen similar states isn't any guarantee of victory.
Looks like we also had a load of shy Trumpets to match the now well-known shy Tories in the UK.
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Firenze
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RIP USA.
It was a good idea when it began, but the genocide and slavery were always going to be bad karma. But it was the guns that finished it: once it became normal to arm yourself to go grocery shopping, then the madness won.
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DangerousDeacon
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Just back from a long holiday in the Solomon Islands - no internet access, no facebook, no shipoffools, and no news.
And now this.
I think I need to book a ticket back to Honiara and take the bus back into the bush of Guadalcanal.
God help us all.
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simontoad
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Julie Bishop our Foreign Minister has just fronted the press saying that a Trump victory is the most likely outcome and running through the benefits of the US-Australia alliance. She said, among other things, that Australia is very keen to keep our security arrangements in place and to ensure that the United States continues to be active in the East Asian region.
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Lamb Chopped
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Y'all do realize that right about now Trump is thinking "Oh shit oh shit OH SHIT They're actually going to expect me to do the JOB..."
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Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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anoesis
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Jesus. H. Roosevelt. Fucking. Christ.
How can this many people be this stupid?
It is 6.30 in the evening here, and my children are still awake, and I am drinking gin, straight from the bottle. It seems the only thing to do.
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Leorning Cniht
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From the exit polls, via ABC news:
White men were 20 points more supporting of Trump than white women, and non-college educated white people were 34 points more Trump-supporting than college educated white people.
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molopata
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Originally posted by DangerousDeacon:
I think I need to book a ticket back to Honiara and take the bus back into the bush of Guadalcanal.
Bad strategy. T's climate policies will swamp you there.
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Golden Key
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Firenze--
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Originally posted by Firenze:
RIP USA.
It was a good idea when it began, but the genocide and slavery were always going to be bad karma. But it was the guns that finished it: once it became normal to arm yourself to go grocery shopping, then the madness won.
I usually find something worthy in your posts. But your statements here are decidedly not helpful.
When you folks were dealing with Brexit, before and after, most American Shipmates either quietly gave you all some space, or politely asked a few thoughtful, carefully worried questions, or both. (That's on both the Purg and Hell threads.) This was mostly out of compassion, but also because we didn't want to get our heads handed to us. We knew that you folks were in a great deal of pain and turmoil.
I wondered whether UK posters would do us the same courtesy, and how long it would take to find out.
Now, I know. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
NOTE: Thanks to the Brits and others who HAVE been sympathetic and empathetic. It means a lot.
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Kelly Alves
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The "karma" is going to land on all the wrong people. The people most likely to have flourished due to the legacy of slavery and the proliferation of guns will be sitting pretty.
If by "karma" you mean "People who have historically been shit on having to swallow yet more shit", spot on , Firenze.
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Huia
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I am so sorry. I don't think anyone here (in NZ) saw this coming - I certainly didn't.
Huia
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Latchkey Kid
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Oh Fuck.
That's all.
Well almost all. I guess we and the world will survive. Somehow.
But oh fuck.
Gaia might survive. We may not.
How does that spiritual go - "It won't be water but fire next time." No stopping the climate warming now.
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anoesis
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Yeah, I guess we will survive, somehow, Zappa. And hopefully there won't be a war. But I hate the feeling of impotence this sort of thing brings on. You and I are citizens of a sovereign nation, with a population about on a par with Kentucky (hardly one of the more prominent states in the Union) on the other side of the world, can't do a goddamn thing about how any of this plays out, but have to drink the medicine along with everyone else. My husband works for a US-based, US-financed, US-servicing company. He has seven working days left to run on his contract, and the company has been fannying about for nearly a month now over what seem to me to be arbitrary points of trivia, relating to the renewal. My guess? Based on all this shit, he's going to come home in a couple of hours and say, no renewal, no more job. Too much uncertainty now, in a country too big and too important.
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Originally posted by anoesis:
Yeah, I guess we will survive, somehow, Zappa. And hopefully there won't be a war. But I hate the feeling of impotence this sort of thing brings on. You and I are citizens of a sovereign nation, with a population about on a par with Kentucky (hardly one of the more prominent states in the Union) on the other side of the world, can't do a goddamn thing about how any of this plays out.
The trouble is that we are citizens of a client state, rather than a sovereign nation - no power and major consequences.
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It seems that Clinton could win the popular vote but lose the election.
Also that Trump won Florida by a tiny margin that could have been swung by the third party candidates.
Both sobering thoughts on a very sobering day.
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Barnabas62
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Although not called yet, all of the remaining vital states look to be tipped Trump's way.
President Obama is right. The sun will rise this morning. But on a different world to the one most of us on SoF had hoped for.
Right now, like on Brexit night, I feel I need a time to mourn. On my own, and with my Shipmates for whom this must also be a time to mourn.
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God bless America ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) may his real influence be tiny, like his fingers and his soul
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Firenze
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Golden Key - I posted as much in sorrow as in anger. I have the greatest sympathy for US shipmates and all my online and RL American friends. But what has happened affects the world. My world.
I see a Zeitgeist. A spirit of fear, retreat and isolationism. It is as if no one has read The Masque of the Red Death. The plague is here among us. I could give you a full and frank enumeration of the folly, ignorance, gullibility, selfishness and cynicism powering Brexit. I can see the roots in our history (if we didn't want people coming here, we shouldn't have colonised and exploited them to begin with).
I hope - albeit not very confidently - that we can rescue ourselves. But it will take some very critical thinking.
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romanlion
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Dear Illary,
Good night. Sleep well.
God knows you need the rest, you crooked old bitch.
Sincerely,
romanlion
P.S. Hey Barry, get your crap and get out. The country will survive you (and Trump), whether your party does or not...
Play some Jay-Z as you drift off tonight...
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Golden Key
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Don't give up yet. As I said earlier, it will take some time to count *everything*, and to sort out any alleged malfeasance. And I don't know yet what the news may be Wednesday. (Still Tuesday here.)
Plus there's still the Electoral College. Even if Trump is declared as winning the popular vote, the electors can still be "faithless electors", and vote differently than they were told. AIUI, doesn't happen often, and I think some states don't allow it. BUT one elector (a Native American from Washington (state), IIRC) said a couple of days ago that if she's supposed to vote for Hillary, she won't. Not sure who she *would* vote for.
So it's possible that some electors might go the other way, and vote for Hillary. Also possible that something would happen between the electoral college vote and the inauguration...or after. Donald and a staff member made it clear, months ago, that he doesn't really want to do the work of being president, and would delegate his responsibilities. (I believe he even mentioned one of his kids.) He may decide he's bored, and take his toys and go home. Maybe he'll face criminal charges, or be impeached.
I've been working on not panicking, for some time, by compartmentalizing much of my worry. I plan to continue to do that.
And I'm not giving up on my country, the planet, or even Hillary.
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--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?" (Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon")
--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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molopata
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Well in Europe's defence, as mindbogglingly silly Brexit was, it didn't promise to pull the Americas over the precipice with us. Now, Trump is another matter.
Would it be possible to at least enact some kind of emergency legislation before 20th January to keep his grubby paws off the nuclear button? I mean seriously.
But to all Americans here: we sincerely share your pain and grieve with you.
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welsh dragon
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"President Obama has a special #ElectionNight message for you: "No matter what happens, the sun will rise in the morning" "
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