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Boogie
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
The fact that Trump with his nylon hair could get the GOP nomination is within the bounds of possiblity.
Which could work out well - handing the presidency to the Democrats on a plate.
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TurquoiseTastic
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Or badly - if Hillary Clinton fell under the proverbial bus, he could even win...
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Alwyn
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BBC are reporting Mr Trump as saying "we cannot worry about being politically correct, we just can't afford any more to be so politically correct" (source, about 1 minute and 9 seconds into the video).
Hmm. Political correctness. That's like when someone isn't allowed into a debate because of their beliefs, isn't it? Supposing, hypothetically, someone suggested that about 1.6 billion people should not be allowed into an entire country because of their beliefs - how politically correct would that be? From where I'm sitting, if Political Correctness was a town, Mr Trump would be the Mayor.
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A conjecture that almost makes sense is that Trump is doing whatever he has to do to make sure the Democrats win. (He has supported Democrats in the past.) If this is true, it is reassuring, except that he is doing so in a very destructive fashion.
Can anyone imagine how bad the presidential campaigns may be in 2020 or 2024?
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Originally posted by saysay:
Have you talked to any of the non-rally attending Trump supporters who are showing up in his numbers but don't necessarily fit into the media narrative?
Interestingly, Republican apparatchik Frank Luntz recently did that. The most interesting thing for me was the degree to which the Trump supporters were impervious to contrary information.
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Carex
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
The most interesting thing for me was the degree to which the Trump supporters were impervious to contrary information.
And this, I think, is a good indicator of the political divide in the US. Those who get their news from a single source without cross-checking won't know to what extent the news they get may be slanted, prejudiced, or simply made-up, but they construct their view of the world from it regardless of the accuracy. While Faux News may have been designed for this purpose and is a clear example of it, they aren't the only ones guilty of biased / selective / overly inventive "reporting".
So you end up with people who really have significantly different ideas of what is going on in the world and what the major problems really are. When someone has had a consistently distorted diet, it reaffirms their view of the world and makes it very difficult to accept any contrary information.
The truth may be out there, but they can't (or won't) recognize it as such.
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Pigwidgeon
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Trump has decided to grace Phoenix with his presence next Wednesday -- if he can find a venue to hold 5000+ people with five days advance notice. (I think I'll stay home with my doors locked.)
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Barnabas62
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That's a scary study, Croesos. Its findings are reminiscent of cult member behaviour. There has been a lot of rather nasty brainwashing going on in the home of the brave and the land of the free.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by saysay:
Have you talked to any of the non-rally attending Trump supporters who are showing up in his numbers but don't necessarily fit into the media narrative?
Interestingly, Republican apparatchik Frank Luntz recently did that. The most interesting thing for me was the degree to which the Trump supporters were impervious to contrary information.
In that they are not unlike the man they follow.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Trump has decided to grace Phoenix with his presence next Wednesday -- if he can find a venue to hold 5000+ people with five days advance notice. (I think I'll stay home with my doors locked.)
He's found an airport hangar that accommodate him. (This is not the main Phoenix airport, just a smaller one pretty far out of town.)
[ 12. December 2015, 00:23: Message edited by: Pigwidgeon ]
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Trump has decided to grace Phoenix with his presence next Wednesday -- if he can find a venue to hold 5000+ people with five days advance notice. (I think I'll stay home with my doors locked.)
He's found an airport hangar that accommodate him. (This is not the main Phoenix airport, just a smaller one pretty far out of town.)
It'll be interesting to see how many would-be attendees go to the main airport.
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Well, the Donald seems to be losing friends and Muslim business.
Like "Trump's name, image removed at Dubai development amid uproar" (Yahoo).
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One of the world's wealthiest businessmen, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, had sharp words for Trump on Friday, telling him via Twitter to withdraw from the presidential race, "as you will never win."
"You are a disgrace not only to the GOP but to all America," he wrote. The billionaire prince is chairman of investment firm Kingdom Holding Company.
The company behind the Trump Towers in Istanbul, meanwhile, said it is "assessing" its partnership with the Republican presidential front-runner.
And Trump's long-time friend, Russell Simmons, has published an open letter, telling him to "Stop the bullshit." (HuffPost)
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Trump has decided to grace Phoenix with his presence next Wednesday -- if he can find a venue to hold 5000+ people with five days advance notice. (I think I'll stay home with my doors locked.)
He's found an airport hangar that accommodate him. (This is not the main Phoenix airport, just a smaller one pretty far out of town.)
It'll be interesting to see how many would-be attendees go to the main airport.
Maybe he'll provide shuttle buses?
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Do American children use a trump to mean a fart?
And do American adults describe windbags as farts?
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Alwyn
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
The most interesting thing for me was the degree to which the Trump supporters were impervious to contrary information.
That is interesting and (as Barnabas62 said) scary. It reminds me of the quote attributed to Karl Rove about reality: "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
The most interesting thing for me was the degree to which the Trump supporters were impervious to contrary information.
We're all the same due to the Backfire Effect
Short version: the article quotes Francis Bacon:
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The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion draws all things else to support and agree with it. And though there be a greater number and weight of instances to be found on the other side, yet these it either neglects and despises, or else-by some distinction sets aside and rejects, in order that by this great and pernicious predetermination the authority of its former conclusion may remain inviolate
Comes as no surprise to anyone who has ever argued about shit on the internet, of course.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Do American children use a trump to mean a fart?
We don't-- I'd never heard that usage until this thread. But ask me again in 11 months-- I'm thinking it might catch on.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Do American children use a trump to mean a fart?
We don't-- I'd never heard that usage until this thread. But ask me again in 11 months-- I'm thinking it might catch on.
This could be the "santorum" for 2016.
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lilBuddha
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The annoyance with Trump supporters is that they are functionally stupid in their support.
One might disagree with the other candidates, but at least they have a semblance of a plan for what they will do. Trump does not. They wish an outsider, which is not unreasonable, but they have chosen one who show no concern for actually learning what the job entails. All hat and no cattle, as the saying goes.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And Trump's long-time friend, Russell Simmons, has published an open letter, telling him to "Stop the bullshit." (HuffPost)
What is interesting about that is that it gives us two possible Trumps.
1. A powerful bigot.
2. A powerful man simulating bigotry because he thinks he can get "the cheap seats" that way.
Option 2 is even worse than option 1. Grokesx reference to the Backfire effect looks pretty insightful and opens up all sorts of scope for a calculated play by a powerful ambitious man
Take your pick.
[ 12. December 2015, 21:39: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]
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3. A powerful man whose mind/brain is a mess.
4. A powerful man who, for whatever reasons, functions very differently in private than he does when speaking in public.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Well, the Donald seems to be losing friends and Muslim business.
Like "Trump's name, image removed at Dubai development amid uproar" (Yahoo).
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One of the world's wealthiest businessmen, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, had sharp words for Trump on Friday, telling him via Twitter to withdraw from the presidential race, "as you will never win."
"You are a disgrace not only to the GOP but to all America," he wrote. The billionaire prince is chairman of investment firm Kingdom Holding Company.
Saudi Arabia is a disgrace to all Islam and the world.
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Though that particular prince is one of the reformers, and has been actively promoting women's rights.
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Barnabas62
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I'd spotted that as well. Saudi Arabia will prove difficult to reform but it does have some moderate voices.
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I wish the Prince had added something like, "You call yourself rich? I have cars worth more than you!" Get him where he lives. Donald has always exaggerated his wealth and he's very insecure about it.
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There is only every one Babylon, it wears different faces in Saudi and the USA. We're commanded to subvert it with love.
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Define "we". Carefully.
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Followers of the Subverter.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
3. A powerful man whose mind/brain is a mess.
4. A powerful man who, for whatever reasons, functions very differently in private than he does when speaking in public.
I think your 3 is very close to my 1 and your 4 is pretty much the same as my 2, but with a bit of the messy part of your 3 thrown in for good measures.
I think he's bad and more than a little mad to boot, you think he's mad and conceivably bad as a result. You may be right, and you are certainly being more charitable than me!
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Barnabas--
I'm not necessarily being more charitable. I just think the possibilities you listed aren't the only ones.
I've thought for some time that D has some sort of mind/brain problem. That's sad for him--even sadder for the world if he gets elected, and his problem affects everyone else for the worse.
By the bye, I also wonder if he might have hearing loss. That might account for his loudness. Watching him, he seems like he has a hard time hearing himself.
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Sioni Sais
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FWIW I think Donald Trump is immensely vain. He knows he hasn't the looks for Hollywood (or even off-off-Broadway) so has taken the usual route and entered politics.
His character flaws are those of anyone who inherited wealth and has managed to reduce it in real terms. Had he invested in indexed funds then, since 1987, he would be worth three times what he is now. Essentially he makes money by lending out his name, another indication of vanity. His dad OTOH was a proper entrepreneur. I doubt DJT has had an original thought in his life.
If you want your country renamed the United States of Trumponia, or plain Trumponia, Donald J Trump is your man.
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Golden Key, I do not think we should let people off who do not expressly present themselves as mentally ill, with the excuse 'he/she must be mad, psychologically disturbed or whatever, because that's the only way he/she could do that or be like that'.
If a person claims to be sane, occupies a public position or runs for office, then we should do them the courtesy of evaluating them as a sane person. If that evaluation works to their disadvantage, as against, 'they must be disturbed' or 'they can't help it', then so be it.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
You don't have to be a psychic to see and hear a guy at a Trump rally speaking into a microphone his opinion that Muslims should be kept out of the US, in order to know what this guy is thinking. HE JUST TOLD YOU. You have to be asleep not to know what people are saying out loud, in public, to anyone who will listen.
I think what people find most shocking is that he says what he thinks, with maybe the smallest amount of moderation. The reverse is probably true for everyone else who might have realistic designs on attaining public office.
Trump's no Muslims proposal is certainly shameful, counter productive and counter what I consider the basis of our society (fairness, hard work, equal opportunity, etc.). Most of all I think even if it were a good idea, it would be impossible to put in to practice. Do we want the government figuring out the basis for admittance to this country by investigating and interpreting a complex belief system held by a group of people who overwhelmingly pose no threat to us? Maybe people just want a wall thrown up around our borders. It's impossible. Focus on the people who are a threat and put our resources there.
Trump is horrible, but the Republicans to me right now are a lost cause as a whole. Unable to govern for formulate any sort of coherent or effective policy. I've come to the conclusion my only option is Clinton.
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Yes, to an outsider it seems suicidal, to adopt what is in effect a white racist programme. I guess it will appeal to some people, but surely not enough to win a national election? Most non-whites are going to be running scared from Trump.
I'm reminded of Goldwater, although I suppose this was a more anti-communist and pro-nuclear campaign.
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Pogrom, not programme.
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Enoch--
I wondered about Trump long before he got into politics. (He's a media personality, here, so plenty of opportunities to observe him.) I haven't said he's insane--just that ISTM that something is wrong. And if it's a kind of wrong that could badly affect his decisions and behavior, as it evidently does, then it's a legitimate concern when he's running for president.
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However you reckon it, he is fantabulously unsuited to helm the state. I have cats who would make better Presidents.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
However you reckon it, he is fantabulously unsuited to helm the state. I have cats who would make better Presidents.
Did someone call me?
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
However you reckon it, he is fantabulously unsuited to helm the state. I have cats who would make better Presidents.
At this point I think we're pretty much at the point where if this is the best they can come up with, we might as well throw out elections all together and have a lottery. Pulling a name at random from the phone book could hardly have worse outcomes.
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Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when his country needs him?
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I think the chances of Trump having some kind of personality disorder are rather high. I have been reading up on narcissism lately (to understand the behaviour of a person who mistreated and gaslighted me within an inch of my life a while back, and reassure myself that I am of sound mind) and Trump’s picture appears with frightening regularity alongside the articles.
In some fields of life, being a certifiable sociopath or narcissist can be quite an asset for getting ahead, like business. If Donald gets off on controlling people, what better control trip (and boost to his vanity, as Sioni says) could there be than President of the United States? Like Leroc, I suspect that in his heart of hearts he doesn’t really want the responsibility of the job. It’s the power that appeals to him.
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Firenze--
That's not funny. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Yes, to an outsider it seems suicidal, to adopt what is in effect a white racist programme. I guess it will appeal to some people, but surely not enough to win a national election? Most non-whites are going to be running scared from Trump.
Interestingly the Trump campaign maintains it will not just win but completely dominate the African-American vote. As with all things Trump, it's impossible to tell from the outside whether this is bluster or self-deception.
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I'm reminded of Goldwater, although I suppose this was a more anti-communist and pro-nuclear campaign.
I think you underestimate the electoral importance of Goldwater's opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. If you look at the electoral map of that year you'll note that the only states Goldwater carried were Arizona (his home state), Georgia, and the four states carried by Strom Thurmond's "Dixiecrat" campaign. That seems a pretty clear indication that the Goldwater campaign had at least something to do with America's racial politics.
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The lineup for tomorrow night's CNN Republican Presidential Debate has been announced. In the main event you have:
- Republican Frontrunner Donald Trump
- Ted Cruz
- Ben Carson
- Marco Rubio
- J.E.B. Bush
- Carly Fiorina
- Chris Christie
- John Kasich
- Rand Paul
This marks the return of Chris Christie to the prime time debate, who was in the undercard event last time around. CNN claims that "Christie has seen a resurgence in recent weeks, particularly in New Hampshire, a key state for his campaign", which means that he's surged from polling ~6% to polling ~10% in the state of New Hampshire. I haven't noticed any real movement by Christie in national polls, where he consistently draws ~3%.
Rand Paul managed to narrowly avoid being sent down to the minors:
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Paul, who was in danger of being removed from the main stage, was saved at the 11th hour by showing viability in a Fox News poll released Sunday morning.
The undercard/kiddie table debate consists of:
- Mike Huckabee
- Rick Santorum
- Lindsey Graham
- George Pataki
As near as I can tell there doesn't seem to be any real minimum threshold to participate in the "opening act" debate other than having a nominally-functional Republican presidential campaign.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when his country needs him?
That's a little extreme, especially for an arrogant fool on his way out the door!
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I have this small book of 20th century history entitled 'The Dangers of Underestimating Populist Demagogues'.
I am placing my hope in the backstage machinations of Republican Party fixers. Sure the Party that gave us Watergate and the Florida ballot can rearrange the popular will?
(Cynical? Moi?)
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Barnabas62
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It might take more than even an assassination to do that. Thing is, some of us "know in our knowers" just how dangerous demagoguery can be. I guess it has been burned into us as a result of 20th Century history. How many deaths will it take til they know that too many people have died?
Yet it seems that fear makes people forget. Trump is as false as his hair, you'd think anyone could see that. Would you buy a used car from this man? Apparently, millions of American citizens trust him a lot more than that. Personally, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. But I don't have a vote.
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[tangent]Why do you have to be so personally wealthy to run for president in the states ? Is it the way the primary system works, no party funding at that stage ? I ask because people are muttering about primaries coming to the UK, but if it distorts the field this way I think it would be a bad thing.[/tangent]
[ 15. December 2015, 19:50: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]
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You don't have to be wealthy. It is also okay to be very popular. But if nobody loves you, then money does buy you love -- the Beatles were wrong, at least as far as political love goes.
And sometimes all the money in the world does not buy you love, if you are deep-down unpopular. Jeb Bush, looking at you.
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