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Doublethink.
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I had wondered if the primaries are basically self funded.
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Brenda Clough
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Essentially they are, which is why Trump is doing so well. The idea is to get out far enough ahead before a single vote is cast, and to do that money is definitely a help.
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Doublethink.
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It makes a big difference if primaries are not party funded - massive in built bias to the wealthy.
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US campaigns for national office are not generally "self-funded" in the sense that the candidate personally contributes most of the money - they're far too expensive for that. Wikipedia has a table showing where the money came from in the 2010 congressional races - the candidate's own money accounted for between 3% (House Democrats) and 20% (Senate Republicans) of the average spending. Most of the money tends to come from large individual contributors and political action committees.
Candidates needn't be rich themselves - Forbes puts Sanders' net worth at $700,000 and Rubio's at $100,000 - but they typically rely on the support of others who are rich.
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Doublethink.
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But not their political party itself ?
(Also $100,000 is rich !)
[ 16. December 2015, 13:10: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]
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Firenze
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I gather none of the other Republican candidates were prepared to challenge Trump's views on Muslims in the latest 'debate'. What would be a good name for that kind of behaviour? 'Appeasement' perhaps?
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They are in a difficult position. The far-right of their party believe as Trump speaks. The moderates kinda, sorta agree at least a little. And the more rational.... oh wait.
Even though Trump's statements enacted would further terrorism, stain relations with Uncle Salman, be impossible to properly enact, wouldn't face constitutional challenge, etc. they do not have the balls or the ability to counter.
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All of them are chicken hawks, cowardly to the core but absolutely anxious, nay delighted, to send other people into combat.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
All of them are chicken hawks, cowardly to the core but absolutely anxious, nay delighted, to send other people into combat.
That would, as I understand it, be consistent with their position of commander-in-chief.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I gather none of the other Republican candidates were prepared to challenge Trump's views on Muslims in the latest 'debate'. What would be a good name for that kind of behaviour? 'Appeasement' perhaps?
They fell all over themselves to piously declare that they had compassion for refugees but that until the State Dept. can "100% guarantee" that anyone attempting to enter the US was not a bad guy we can't let them in. Cuz they have only the safety of the American people in mind, of course.
Of course, none of this can make that guarantee. None of us can guarantee that the server hasn't spit on our food, the guy driving on the opposite side of the road won't sudden swerve and hit you head on, or even that the guy you're sleeping next to isn't going to roll over and crush you like a bug. But never mind, we gotta think about 'Merica.
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Ben Carson managed to come across as more of a sociopath than Trump, which is no small accomplishment:
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(Hugh Hewitt: “Could you order air strikes that would kill innocent children by not the scores, but the hundreds and the thousands?”)
“...You should see the eyes of some of those children when I say to them we're going to have to open your head up and take out this tumor...They don't like me very much at that point. But later on, they love me...
“...Later on… they really realize what's going on. And by the same token, you have to be able to look at the big picture and understand that it's actually merciful if you go ahead and finish the job, rather than death by 1,000 pricks.”
(Hewitt: “So you are OK with the deaths of thousands of innocent children and civilian?”)
“You got it. You got it.”
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The debate reminded me of Mrs Robinson.
"Going to the candidates debate
Laugh about it shout about
And when you get to choose
Everyway you look at it
You lose"
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Wow.
We're all doomed.
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Hopefully the exhibition of all the candidates at these debates will drive everyone to vote Democratic. There was certainly no one on the stage last night whom I would trust with a pocket knife, never mind the presidency.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Hopefully the exhibition of all the candidates at these debates will drive everyone to vote Democratic. There was certainly no one on the stage last night whom I would trust with a pocket knife, never mind the presidency.
And you trust Hillary? A demonstrated liar with a sexual predator for a husband?
The only thing I trust her to do is eventually drop dead.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And you trust Hillary? A demonstrated liar with a sexual predator for a husband?
How would either of those things bar her from office?
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Originally posted by romanlion:
A demonstrated liar
Well that covers just about everyone who's ever held the office - with the possible exceptions of George Washington, Abe Lincoln and Jimmy Carter.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
A demonstrated liar
Well that covers just about everyone who's ever held the office - with the possible exceptions of George Washington, Abe Lincoln and Jimmy Carter.
Indeed. And if we want to talk about sexual predators, Thomas Jefferson sleeping with an enslaved woman has to take top prize over anything Clinton pulled.
I'm still holding out hope for Sanders. Or maybe Warren will enter the race at the last minute like the cavalry coming in at the end of the movie. But if former Sec. Clinton gets the nod, she will get my vote in a hot minute. At least I could sleep at night.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
(Also $100,000 is rich !)
Not in terms of total net worth, it isn't. Anyone who owns their own house is worth more.
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Rich person: anyone who has more money than I do.
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On that analysis everyone should go vote for Bernie Sanders.
Unfortunately I think Trump is every bit as stupid and vindictive as he appears to be.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And you trust Hillary? A demonstrated liar with a sexual predator for a husband? ....
If you think she's a liar, I get that. That's a personal quality of hers. But why does being cheated on by a husband who predates other women disqualify her in your eyes? That's his failing, not hers.
Can you persuade that is not both an unsound reason and unfair to her?
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And you trust Hillary? A demonstrated liar with a sexual predator for a husband? ....
If you think she's a liar, I get that. That's a personal quality of hers.
I don't think she is a liar.
She is a liar.
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But why does being cheated on by a husband who predates other women disqualify her in your eyes? That's his failing, not hers.
Can you persuade that is not both an unsound reason and unfair to her?
She was never cheated on, she was complicit.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And you trust Hillary? A demonstrated liar with a sexual predator for a husband? ....
If you think she's a liar, I get that. That's a personal quality of hers. But why does being cheated on by a husband who predates other women disqualify her in your eyes? That's his failing, not hers.
Can you persuade that is not both an unsound reason and unfair to her?
You show me a politician and I'll show you someone who can be demonstrated to be a liar, even though they are as honest as the day is long.
As for being Bill Clinton's wife, I thought the "Caesar's wife" principle was long dead although the bottom line must be that as a Democrat, romanlion isn't going to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton unless she is on a ticket with Jesus Christ Himself.
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romanlion--
Out of curiosity, is there any candidate you like?
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I've heard of sexually transmitted debt, but I don't think Hillary owes Monica. Surely they were both victims.
I remember back in the early '80's everybody outside the USA was laughing at Ronald Regan for being an actor. I was too young to realise at the time that he was an experienced politician and governor of California. Now I'm busy laughing at Trump for his lack of experience, "his" hair, his coloring, so reminiscent of the 1970's oompa-loompa, and the things he says, "would anyone like to stab me in the stomach with a knife." Does anybody know of anything he's done which might suggest that he has the skills to be POTUS?
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
(Also $100,000 is rich !)
Not in terms of total net worth, it isn't. Anyone who owns their own house is worth more.
Anyone who owns their own house without a mortgage on it *is* rich.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
...romanlion isn't going to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton unless she is on a ticket with Jesus Christ Himself.
I doubt that he would even then.
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Doublethink.
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Re the linked Clinton article - that appears to be an allegation of a criminal offence, I am not aware of either of them having a conviction for any such offense ?
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There is not. There is a vast mythology of Clintonian malfeasance out there, much of which is Harry Potter stuff.
You will not find a politican on this earth who has not lied. You will, in fact, probably not find a human being on this earth, except for those infants who are not yet talking, who has not lied. So live with it. The perfect is the enemy of the good; Jesus Christ is not coming back to run for office, and we saw what happened the last time he came back to be king of the world.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Re the linked Clinton article - that appears to be an allegation of a criminal offence, I am not aware of either of them having a conviction for any such offense ?
Am I not aware of Bill Cosby having been convicted of any such offense?
Would you support his wife for POTUS were she running as a dim?
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
romanlion--
Out of curiosity, is there any candidate you like?
Sure. If Bernie were more competitive I would probably vote for him in the South Carolina primary. (Only as an against)
As it stands I will vote for my GOP favorite that day, knowing that he/she will probably get >2% of the vote.
On election day 2016 I wouldn't dream of voting for a republican or a dimocrat. I value my vote too much to waste it on any of those assholes when there will be multiple better options available.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Re the linked Clinton article - that appears to be an allegation of a criminal offence, I am not aware of either of them having a conviction for any such offense ?
Am I not aware of Bill Cosby having been convicted of any such offense?
Would you support his wife for POTUS were she running as a dim?
I don't know anything at all about Cosby's wife. But if she were qualified & had good policy positions, sure, I would.
I was married to a serial adulterer for more than 11 years, so I'm not one to buy into this blame-the-wife mentality.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
I was married to a serial adulterer for more than 11 years, so I'm not one to buy into this blame-the-wife mentality.
That's what Clinton and Cosby are in your opinion?
Adulterers?
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
I was married to a serial adulterer for more than 11 years, so I'm not one to buy into this blame-the-wife mentality.
That's what Clinton and Cosby are in your opinion?
Adulterers?
Clinton yes. Cosby appears to be worse. As was my ex-husband, but I was trying not to go into all the ugly details. But the bottom line is that I'm not someone who's apt to agree that it's the wife's fault when the husband commits a crime.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
I was married to a serial adulterer for more than 11 years, so I'm not one to buy into this blame-the-wife mentality.
That's what Clinton and Cosby are in your opinion?
Adulterers?
Clinton yes. Cosby appears to be worse. As was my ex-husband, but I was trying not to go into all the ugly details. But the bottom line is that I'm not someone who's apt to agree that it's the wife's fault when the husband commits a crime.
Your ex-husband...Clinton and Cosby are husbands.
If your ex-husband had been wealthy and powerful would the benefits that afforded you have been enough to soothe the harm and humiliation he put you through? Would you have defended him, even to the extent of actively working to discredit and marginalize his victims? Would you have tolerated behavior that you knew was happening, and was in all likelihood criminal for no other reason than your own selfishness?
I only know you from these boards, but I am confident the answer is no.
I don't blame the wives for their husband's lechery, I blame them for enabling and encouraging it long past any reasonable point of "plausible deniability."
That isn't the kind of character and judgement I would support in a candidate for POTUS.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
I was married to a serial adulterer for more than 11 years, so I'm not one to buy into this blame-the-wife mentality.
That's what Clinton and Cosby are in your opinion?
Adulterers?
Clinton yes. Cosby appears to be worse. As was my ex-husband, but I was trying not to go into all the ugly details. But the bottom line is that I'm not someone who's apt to agree that it's the wife's fault when the husband commits a crime.
Your ex-husband...Clinton and Cosby are husbands.
If your ex-husband had been wealthy and powerful would the benefits that afforded you have been enough to soothe the harm and humiliation he put you through? Would you have defended him, even to the extent of actively working to discredit and marginalize his victims? Would you have tolerated behavior that you knew was happening, and was in all likelihood criminal for no other reason than your own selfishness?
I only know you from these boards, but I am confident the answer is no.
I don't blame the wives for their husband's lechery, I blame them for enabling and encouraging it long past any reasonable point of "plausible deniability."
That isn't the kind of character and judgement I would support in a candidate for POTUS.
You would be wrong.
Before he was my ex-husband, he was my husband. For 11 years. And so if you're going to blame the two Mrs. C's for "enabling and encouraging" their husband's behavior, you would have to blame me as well-- including what turned out to be illegal behavior.
I had to work that one thru myself, many years of therapy, but the end result was the conclusion: no, I'm not to blame for my spouse's actions. Which, by the exact same rationale, would apply to either Mrs. C is as well. Even if they choose to stay with the louts, whatever their reasons might be.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
But not their political party itself ?
(Also $100,000 is rich !)
It appears that candidates raise most of their own money. Some money does come from the parties, though I haven't been able to find a clear source indicating their share - possibly this means it's not sufficiently large to merit separate mention. In any case, the parties would have to rely on donors too...
$100,000 is not much higher than the US median family net worth of $81,400 (and substantially less than $136,000 pre-crisis level.) It's also pretty low for someone with a salary US senator's annual salary of $174,000 - and there are members of congress who are worth thousands of times more.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
romanlion--
Out of curiosity, is there any candidate you like?
Sure. If Bernie were more competitive I would probably vote for him in the South Carolina primary. (Only as an against)
As it stands I will vote for my GOP favorite that day, knowing that he/she will probably get >2% of the vote.
On election day 2016 I wouldn't dream of voting for a republican or a dimocrat. I value my vote too much to waste it on any of those assholes when there will be multiple better options available.
Such as?
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romanlion--
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
romanlion--
Out of curiosity, is there any candidate you like?
Sure. If Bernie were more competitive I would probably vote for him in the South Carolina primary. (Only as an against)
As it stands I will vote for my GOP favorite that day, knowing that he/she will probably get >2% of the vote.
On election day 2016 I wouldn't dream of voting for a republican or a dimocrat. I value my vote too much to waste it on any of those assholes when there will be multiple better options available.
And the better options? Voting for space aliens? Watching the returns while munching and yelling? Or will the revolution/apocalypse have happened by then? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
(Joking, but I'm curious.)
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
romanlion--
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
romanlion--
Out of curiosity, is there any candidate you like?
Sure. If Bernie were more competitive I would probably vote for him in the South Carolina primary. (Only as an against)
As it stands I will vote for my GOP favorite that day, knowing that he/she will probably get >2% of the vote.
On election day 2016 I wouldn't dream of voting for a republican or a dimocrat. I value my vote too much to waste it on any of those assholes when there will be multiple better options available.
And the better options? Voting for space aliens? Watching the returns while munching and yelling? Or will the revolution/apocalypse have happened by then?
(Joking, but I'm curious.)
In SC in 2012 there was a Libertarian candidate, a Green, and a Constitution party candidate.
The "major parties" represented 2/5 of the options available.
If you count them as they actually exist in reality, they represented a quarter...
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No Romanlion. You haven't persuaded me. Also, I can excuse you as a foreigner for not knowing this, but the UK Daily Mail isn't a convincing source for anything.
Also, the arguments
- that it's the wife's fault if her husband commits adultery
- that she owes a duty to his floozies if she hasn't stopped him from his wicked ways, or
- that she owes a duty to anybody else to divorce him, pillory him in public or whatever,
are all ethically really badly wrong.
If I commit adultery, or for that matter 'do not have sex with that woman', I am ethically answerable for doing so, and so is she. That applies whether I'm a man or a woman. None of us are entitled to blame somebody else.
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Re the linked Clinton article - that appears to be an allegation of a criminal offence, I am not aware of either of them having a conviction for any such offense ?
Am I not aware of Bill Cosby having been convicted of any such offense?
I suspect the allegation that Doublethink. was referring to occurs towards the end of the article - where the subject opinions that the Clintons were involved in the death of her husband.
It is somewhat ironic in this context - as that kind of thing (and conspiracy stories around Whitewater), are what led led to Birtherism, Agenda 21 and so on and hence to large amounts of support for Trump.
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I'm curious. Have any of the candidates you've voted for at district, state, or national level ever been elected? In which case, who?
I'm also curious about what constitutes your standard for finding people guilty of some moral or legal offence. Is it any more than just your personal opinion of whatever you read somewhere?
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Anyone who owns their own house without a mortgage on it *is* rich.
Marvellous, that means I'll be rich in exactly 23* years ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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*= of course, the total value of the house minus the total value of the outstanding mortgage is a number that will get above $100,000 quite a bit sooner than that**. But let's not split hairs ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
**= unless there's a catastrophic collapse in the property market, of course. But given that $100,000 is roughly £67,000 it would have to be a really catastrophic collapse.
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Rich rich rich, a relative term. Plenty of other easy points to make. No doubt they have been made before.
Hilary Clinton and Bill Cosby's wife complicit in their husbands' behavior? That is very nasty stuff, and really, how could anyone but the parties involved know? If you think that they did, and you are not a very very long-lived fly, you should have a nice cup of tea and a little talk with yourself.
Speaking of very nasty stuff, Donald J Trump, criticizer of POWs and one who had a medical reason not to serve himself, did actually invite people to have a go at stabbing him in the belly. So sad that the opportunity was missed.
I'm not sure what Don's medical condition was, but I'm guessing "Golden Retriever Hair Syndrome".
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I'm not sure what Don's medical condition was, but I'm guessing "Golden Retriever Hair Syndrome".
That was totally nasty and uncalled for. Every dog lover will hate you for saying that.
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I'm not sure what Don's medical condition was, but I'm guessing "Golden Retriever Hair Syndrome".
If only he had one GRs hair's worth of friendliness for neighbours then he'd be fine.
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