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Source: (consider it) Thread: Purgatory: U.S. Presidential Election 2016
Kaplan Corday
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Perhaps the surveys showing such widespread support for Trump need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I would not vote for Trump in a fit, but if I were American, and a pollster asked me my intentions, I would be sorely tempted to say I was going to.

That is because the percentages of voters ostensibly favouring him produce such a hysterical reaction from the humourless, self-important, self-righteous trendy-lefties of the commentariat.

Of course there are Republicans and other conservatives who criticise him also, but their reactions tend to be more of the perplexed and eye-rolling variety, which are not remotely as entertaining.

It is possible there are many others who can't resist stirring the possum, but will not vote for him when it comes to the crunch.

I have not been following this thread, so apologies if anyone has already said something similar.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
I would not vote for Trump in a fit, but if I were American, and a pollster asked me my intentions, I would be sorely tempted to say I was going to.

Brilliant! I hadn't thought of the "freak out the establishment" factor.

Sometimes when people ring trying to sell me solar panels, I try to sell them my new 'wave power in your bath' invention. Often, they just hang up before I can get the full joke out, which is rude.

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quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
Sometimes when people ring trying to sell me solar panels, I try to sell them my new 'wave power in your bath' invention. Often, they just hang up before I can get the full joke out, which is rude.

The joke is rude? Or hanging up on you is rude?

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I suspect the joke involves the control and redirection of gaseous emissions.

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How rude!

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quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
quote:
Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
I would not vote for Trump in a fit, but if I were American, and a pollster asked me my intentions, I would be sorely tempted to say I was going to.

Brilliant! I hadn't thought of the "freak out the establishment" factor.
Except that some people are actually going to vote for him for this sort of reason. “Sticking it to the man” is an important element in Trump’s popularity.

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I once managed to annoy and waste the time of a pestering telesales person so much that he actually swore at me, which I felt was a worthwhile achievement. While I'm wasting their time, they're not ringing some naive elderly widow and persuading her to part with her life savings.

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quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
quote:
Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
I would not vote for Trump in a fit, but if I were American, and a pollster asked me my intentions, I would be sorely tempted to say I was going to.

Brilliant! I hadn't thought of the "freak out the establishment" factor.
Except that some people are actually going to vote for him for this sort of reason. “Sticking it to the man” is an important element in Trump’s popularity.
I am starting to believe that this 'Donald Trump' is in fact some kind of Performance Artist trying to constantly see how extreme far-right he can go and still find significant GOP support. I suspect that a communal sing-along of of 'Springtime for Hitler' isn't far off. Just watch whose lips move.

He will then (or possibly after securing the nomination) reveal himself to be Sasha Baron-Cohen in a funny wig (the campaign strategy seems to have been entirely based on the 'Borat' methodology).

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When he bursts into a chorus of "Throw the Jew down the well", all will be made clear...

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
When he bursts into a chorus of "Throw the Jew down the well", all will be made clear...

Wait-- you mean he hasn't yet???

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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
I once managed to annoy and waste the time of a pestering telesales person so much that he actually swore at me, which I felt was a worthwhile achievement. While I'm wasting their time, they're not ringing some naive elderly widow and persuading her to part with her life savings.

You are a blessing and a gift to all humanity.

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fausto
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
Sometimes when people ring trying to sell me solar panels, I try to sell them my new 'wave power in your bath' invention. Often, they just hang up before I can get the full joke out, which is rude.

The joke is rude? Or hanging up on you is rude?
Dialing up strangers to sell them things they didn't request is rude. However, it also establishes the rules of acceptable decorum (or absence of same, as the case may be), for those who choose to treat responding as a game (which choice, in turn, is within the rules).

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My idea is that if you phone me, unsolicited and without my previous acquaintance, you are opening yourself to any response I care to make. And some of them are very very creative indeed.

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Brenda Clough
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A summary of Trump's dealings in Scotland. Home town boy makes good, eh?

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Kaplan Corday
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I share the irritation with telemarketers, but am aware that many of them are just students, desperate for a buck, doing it part-time, and indifferent or hostile to the business and the product which they are representing, so I don't abuse or bait them.
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"Sorry, I'm not interested, thank you." [Click] is the most they ever get from me. If it's a robocall, then [Click] is all they get.

They're not calling me because they want to annoy me or play games with me. They're calling because this is probably the only job they could find in a hostile economy, and it sure beats living on the street and eating out of garbage cans.

I'm sure they're used to (even trained to expect) being hung up on. There's no reason why I, sitting in my comfortable chair in a well heated home munching on a snack I probably don't need, should play games with them when that's not the reason why they called.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
"Sorry, I'm not interested, thank you." [Click] is the most they ever get from me. If it's a robocall, then [Click] is all they get.

They're not calling me because they want to annoy me or play games with me. They're calling because this is probably the only job they could find in a hostile economy, and it sure beats living on the street and eating out of garbage cans.

I'm sure they're used to (even trained to expect) being hung up on. There's no reason why I, sitting in my comfortable chair in a well heated home munching on a snack I probably don't need, should play games with them when that's not the reason why they called.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
My idea is that if you phone me, unsolicited and without my previous acquaintance, you are opening yourself to any response I care to make.

Bullshit. That's not Christian. Is it so hard to just say "I'm not interested" and hang up? This is like that dreary "War on Christmas" mindfuck. We need to pull up our big girl panties and deal. If the worst thing that happens to you in a day is somebody calls you up to sell you double glazing, are more fortunate than 99% of humanity.

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Kelly Alves

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Originally posted by beatmenace:
I am starting to believe that this 'Donald Trump' is in fact some kind of Performance Artist trying to constantly see how extreme far-right he can go and still find significant GOP support. I suspect that a communal sing-along of of 'Springtime for Hitler' isn't far off. Just watch whose lips move.

He will then (or possibly after securing the nomination) reveal himself to be Sasha Baron-Cohen in a funny wig (the campaign strategy seems to have been entirely based on the 'Borat' methodology).

You know, after everything that has happened this year, if this did in fact turn out to be true, I think my lack of shock would be the only thing to shock me. In the meantime, I am going to articulate a deep suspicion about the integrity of those polls.

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Enoch
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Bullshit. That's not Christian. Is it so hard to just say "I'm not interested" and hang up? This is like that dreary "War on Christmas" mindfuck. We need to pull up our big girl panties and deal. If the worst thing that happens to you in a day is somebody calls you up to sell you double glazing, are more fortunate than 99% of humanity.

I really don't agree. Yes we do get double glazing and solar panel calls. But, most of the calls here are from criminals abroad trying to get access to your computer and/or your personal bank details. Or from bucket shops abroad trying to sell fake financial products. All these are criminal here but they are outside the range of our criminal law.

Perhaps you don't get this is the US, but these people are vermin and need to be handled as vermin.

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Enoch
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
A summary of Trump's dealings in Scotland. Home town boy makes good, eh?

That's quite a good article.

For the benefit of Transatlantic readers, the quotation in it which describes the Scots as
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"this notoriously fractious little country"
doesn't come from somebody being rude about Scotland. It comes from a well known Scottish journalist. I'm not Scottish, but as a statement it is a badge worn with pride.

If you follow the link in her name, it will take you to an article by her in the Scotsman. It dates from back in 2012, but there's nothing in it that does not remain pertinent today.

If following the link in the Atlantic's article is too complicated for any of the ship's Able Seamen, this will take you to it.

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Boogie

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quote:
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But, most of the calls here are from criminals abroad trying to get access to your computer and/or your personal bank details. Or from bucket shops abroad trying to sell fake financial products. All these are criminal here but they are outside the range of our criminal law.

Perhaps you don't get this is the US, but these people are vermin and need to be handled as vermin.

When my niece was at university she worked in a call centre. I hope she wasn't treated as vermin.

Within a couple of words I know it's a cold call. I just politely say 'no thank you' and put the phone down before they can say another word.

But I think this discussion could go on another thread.

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And here it is ...

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Enoch
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quote:
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When my niece was at university she worked in a call centre. I hope she wasn't treated as vermin.

Boogie, there's a difference between a call centre that receives calls, and one that makes cold calls on people.

[ 19. December 2015, 13:05: Message edited by: Enoch ]

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If you get a call which denies that it is selling anything you can be sure it's a cold caller.
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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
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Perhaps you don't get this is the US, but these people are vermin and need to be handled as vermin.

Ew. The Donald couldn't have said it better. Or worse. Historically, calling other people "vermin" doesn't usually lead to hugs and puppies.

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Pigwidgeon

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quote:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Perhaps you don't get this is the US, but these people are vermin and need to be handled as vermin.

Ew. The Donald couldn't have said it better. Or worse. Historically, calling other people "vermin" doesn't usually lead to hugs and puppies.
There are some telemarketers who are calling to sell you something you don't want, to get you to vote for a candidate, etc. It's a horrid job, and those who do it are not vermin but people who must be pretty hard up to take a job like that.

Then again, there are those (usually calling from a country not covered by our Do Not Call list) who are calling to rip you off -- getting you to turn over control of your computer, access to your credit card or bank account, pretending to be your grandchild who's stuck somewhere and needs money, etc. Many of the scams are aimed at the elderly who tend to be caring and who may not be tech-savvy. Those people don't deserve hugs and puppies.

I have found that a combination of an unlisted phone number, being on the Do Not Call list, having caller i.d., and being able to block numbers have all been a huge help. I rarely get cold calls except from politicians (they get to call me once, and then their numbers are blocked).

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On the non-Trump side, tonight's Democratic debate became a little more interesting yesterday afternoon when the Sanders campaign filed a complaint against the DNC in Federal District Court.

Supporters of the Democratic candidates who aren't Hilary Clinton are starting to ask why the DNC has scheduled its debates for Saturdays, especially today, when they will be going head to head against a rare Saturday night NFL game and every holiday party in the country. Almost like they don't want anyone to watch and become aware that there are other options. [Paranoid]

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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:

Supporters of the Democratic candidates who aren't Hilary Clinton are starting to ask why the DNC has scheduled its debates for Saturdays, especially today, when they will be going head to head against a rare Saturday night NFL game and every holiday party in the country. Almost like they don't want anyone to watch and become aware that there are other options. [Paranoid]

Could have been that they knew that it would be dull, and predictable, and old, and white, and uninspiring, and that nobody would watch anyway...

At least if you put it on a Saturday night, just before Christmas, against a consequential NFL game you don't have to make up excuses when no one gives a shit and doesn't watch.

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quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
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Originally posted by simontoad:
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Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
I would not vote for Trump in a fit, but if I were American, and a pollster asked me my intentions, I would be sorely tempted to say I was going to.

Brilliant! I hadn't thought of the "freak out the establishment" factor.
Except that some people are actually going to vote for him for this sort of reason. “Sticking it to the man” is an important element in Trump’s popularity.
Yes, true. I find that amazing. What is Donny if not an establishment figure? He's apparently wealthy, he inherited a fortune from his father, who I have on vague authority was a New York slum lord who made his money dealing with Tammany Hall. Anyone know where he went to school?

Incidentally, I didn't intend to derail the thread into a discussion of cold callers, and I'm glad to see a new thread has gone up. I thought I'd get everyone to like me by cracking a funny.

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
Perhaps you don't get this is the US, but these people are vermin and need to be handled as vermin.

Boy, one hates to go all Godwin, but calling people vermin is one step from calling them non-human. Nichtung.

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He's apparently wealthy, he inherited a fortune from his father, who I have on vague authority was a New York slum lord who made his money dealing with Tammany Hall.

Yeah, only government is allowed to be a "slumlord", ostensibly because they do it with stolen money and not their own.

[Roll Eyes]

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quote:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Perhaps you don't get this is the US, but these people are vermin and need to be handled as vermin.


'Twas Enoch, not Boogie. (Who does bring hugs and puppies.)

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Definitely not me! My niece worked in one of these places while she was studying to make ends meet. She's as far from vermin as it's possible to get.

She now has a PhD and works as an ed-psyche, she's a terrific person. Like me, if she gets a cold call she simply says a polite 'No thank you' and puts the phone down with no further interaction.

You can't assume the person is a criminal, but talking long enough to get an idea of their intentions is a waste of time. Especially when you get 3-4 of these calls a day, as we do.

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I confirm that it was me who called them vermin. I'm happy not to deny it. Boogie, I'm sure your niece was in the jurisdiction, only rang people who hadn't signed the register not to be rung and was selling a reputable product, rather than 'I am Anthony from the Windows service centre with a foreign accident but claiming to be in Manchester', or 'we are conducting a survey into what financial products you have and how much you earn', or 'do you like wine and a fantastic opportunity to pre-buy vintage futures', or whatever -pick the scam of your choice.

Incidentally, I assume Shipmates know why scammers have moved into the fake wine futures market. It's outside the scope of the Financial Services regulations.

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saysay--

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saysay--

Thanks for your explanation. [Smile] I'm thinking through it, and will try to reply within a few days.

Sorry it's taken me so long. Yes, media of any type can be biased, have an agenda, and distort the news.

I wonder if some of these media sources might be closer to what you're looking for?

--POOR magazine
"POOR Magazine, the organization, is a poor people led/indigenous people led non-profit, grassroots, arts organization dedicated to providing revolutionary media access, arts, education and solutions from youth, adults and elders in poverty across Pachamama." {Mother Earth}

--Alternative news sources (World-Newspapers)

Sites linked there include:

Democracy Now--Sometimes known as "the exception to the rulers". [Smile] I listened to the radio show for years, and occasionally catch the TV version now. IME, Amy Goodman really does work hard at getting to the truth, and it's not necessarily what the mainstream media (of whatever stripe) comes up with.

Dissident Voice--I hadn't heard of this one, but it looks like it's in line with your stated views and interests.

Inequality--See my comments on DV.


--Some other sources I'm familiar with that I'll let you look up:

FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting)

Latino USA--Radio show.

Mother Jones--Social justice, among other things.

On The Media--Radio show that calls out the media on various screw-ups and biases, and does it with a bit of attitude and humor.

Project Censored--Unveiling censored news stories.


--You might also like Pacifica radio.

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quote:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Perhaps you don't get this is the US, but these people are vermin and need to be handled as vermin.


'Twas Enoch, not Boogie. (Who does bring hugs and puppies.)
Apologies, Boogie, for the UBB error.

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Golden Key -

I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful.

I used to read almost exclusively Lefty news sources (Huffpo, Salon, Slate, NPR among mainstream publications, Mother Jones, Alternet, ThinkProgress, etc.) They fit squarely with a lot of my ideological beliefs.

But then I realized how often they

1) completely misrepresented what their opponents said, sometimes while linking to video of the offending statement

2) decided that they knew better than the person speaking what the person really meant and really thought and felt (which can be considered a form of emotional abuse)

3) denied the existence of people (or groups of people) either because they had never encountered them within their liberal bubble or because they had no other way to argue with them

There's honest intellectual disagreement (which I know can be frustrating especially when you find yourself on the losing side). And then there's dishonest argumentation or trying to simply silence dissent (sometimes with serious accusations).

IMHO far too many on the left, including those in the media, have been indulging in the latter two far too often in recent years. Given how heavily the Ship tilts leftward, it sometimes seems like a bit of pushback would be a good idea.

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Lindsey Graham, we hardly knew ye.

(At least a few people have suggested this is more significant than it would appear, given Graham's dismal numbers throughout the campaign. There was speculation that some senators were reluctant to endorse anyone while their senior colleague was still in the race, and that influential South Carolina voters and business groups were also holding back endorsements until Graham was out, out of respect. He may have realized that the best thing he could do to hurt Trump was drop out.)

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saysay--

Understood. That's why I tried to select those resources carefully. Most of them aren't specifically leftist. And some, like POOR, are actually written and run by the poor and oppressed, who you said didn't have a voice. Most of them are about getting the truth out there, no matter what it is.

YMMV. But you don't have to use the list. [Smile]

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As to biased publications, I have a news app that I have organized to have a lefty publication right next to a a right wing publication. It would be funny if it weren't so important with national elections coming up the way both twist facts and make up shit about the other side. It takes research to dig up the facts and too many Americans only want to see whatever backs up their opinion so don't bother.

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quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
Golden Key -

I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful.

I used to read almost exclusively Lefty news sources (Huffpo, Salon, Slate, NPR among mainstream publications, Mother Jones, Alternet, ThinkProgress, etc.) They fit squarely with a lot of my ideological beliefs. ...

Saysay, I've never heard of any of the others you mention, but is the Huffington Post regarded in the US as 'lefty'?

It comes over as middle ground here. The proprietrix was for many years the companion of a well known columnist on the Times, sadly now dead, who was at times entertainingly acerbic about the establishment, but hardly a closet Trot.


Alternatively is there a difference in language here? Here, there's are differences between 'left of centre', 'on the left' and 'lefty'. In our terminology, Corbyn is all three of those, David Miliband was the first and Ed Miliband, the second. But then, those three names may all be as unfamiliar in the US as the other six news sources you mentioned are here.

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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
Saysay, I've never heard of any of the others you mention, but is the Huffington Post regarded in the US as 'lefty'?

Somewhat left of center, but not super lefty.

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The proprietrix
WTF?

[ 23. December 2015, 02:36: Message edited by: RuthW ]

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Saysay, I've never heard of any of the others you mention, but is the Huffington Post regarded in the US as 'lefty'?

Somewhat left of center, but not super lefty.
AFAICT it's regarded as lefty in terms of the mainstream media (which, as Ruth notes, means left of center but not super lefty).

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The proprietrix
WTF?
Seriously WTF? Or for effect?

(Proprietrix would be the female form of proprietor. It's a trifle affected, but I wouldn't have thought too obscure.)

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I've always been partial to "aviatrix" for a woman aviator--probably because it was sometimes used for Amelia Earhart.

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-ix endings are dead. Dragging it back to indicate the proprietor is female seems unnecessary and therefore sexist.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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The proprietrix
WTF?
Seriously WTF? Or for effect?

(Proprietrix would be the female form of proprietor. It's a trifle affected, but I wouldn't have thought too obscure.)

What mousethief said.
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
-ix endings are dead. Dragging it back to indicate the proprietor is female seems unnecessary and therefore sexist.

At the Learned Societies palooza in Ottawa last year, I sat through 20 minutes of an entomologists/linguists panel on this very topic. Apparently, dominatrix continues as legitimate (if problematic for one's confessor) and the aforementioned aviatrix has a kosher period usage, but other ixes are considered affected unless the intent is offensive. One panellist said that the ix ending has a greater legitimacy in Canada as there is a higher rate of Latinists (who knew that we had any at all?) and more people are accustomed to the French -ice (e.g. coordinatrice) ending. After all of this, a publisher friend told me that she found being described as an editrix amusing, but she was infuriated by being called a copy editor.

Still, if Mrs Clinton gets the final nod, we will then have the linguists argue if the Spanish-language version of her title would be presidenta or presidente. If Mr Trump gets it, one can only wonder what he might be called in Spanish.

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Augustine the Aleut: At the Learned Societies palooza in Ottawa last year, I sat through 20 minutes of an entomologists/linguists panel on this very topic.
They were discussing -ix endings in insect names? [Razz]

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