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LeRoc
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Mere Nick: Go tell the family members she lied to that it's a crock.
They know this already.
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Mere Nick: Go tell the family members she lied to that it's a crock.
They know this already.
How many of them denounce old GW? Without him, their would likely not have been a Benghazi.
Not that this excuses Clinton, if your accusation is accurate, but it does point to the hypocrisy people use when assigning blame.
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Dave W.
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The lying to family members stuff - isn't that Benghazi? I'm with John Stewart on Benghazi - it's a crock, and the Republicans failed to lay a glove on Hilary repeatedly.
Go tell the family members she lied to that it's a crock.
Do you have any more reason to think the "lying to family members stuff" isn't bullshit than you did the last time this came up on this same thread in October?
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by simontoad:
The lying to family members stuff - isn't that Benghazi? I'm with John Stewart on Benghazi - it's a crock, and the Republicans failed to lay a glove on Hilary repeatedly.
Go tell the family members she lied to that it's a crock.
Uh-huh, that's why Hilary's approval ratings rose throughout the Benghazi hearings. They were the best gift the GOP ever gave a candidate-- demonstrating clearly for all who bothered to watch it how empty and vindictive the whole thing was. Keep it up.
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simontoad
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I just don't think Hilary is any worse on the honesty front than any other business-oriented politician in the entire anglosphere. Her credibility just isn't a negative point, in my opinion. The problem with Hilary is the same as every other business-oriented politician in the anglosphere - her politics.
But this is the USA, so beggars can't be choosers.
On this issue of lying to families - way to play the emotive card when the facts don't suit your agenda.
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Mere Nick
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Mere Nick: Go tell the family members she lied to that it's a crock.
They know this already.
How many of them denounce old GW? Without him, their would likely not have been a Benghazi.
Not that this excuses Clinton, if your accusation is accurate, but it does point to the hypocrisy people use when assigning blame.
Hillary lied to those family members and it is not hypocrisy to say so.
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Mere Nick
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Originally posted by simontoad:
On this issue of lying to families - way to play the emotive card when the facts don't suit your agenda.
On the issue of lying to families of dead people, it takes an asshole to do it. The only issue regarding agendas is what was Hillary's when she did it?
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LeRoc
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Mere Nick: On the issue of lying to families of dead people, it takes an asshole to do it. The only issue regarding agendas is what was Hillary's when she did it?
No, the only issue is motherfuckers fabricating something that didn't happen — something that has been proven over and over again that didn't happen — and using the grief of these families for their political gain. It's despicable.
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Mere Nick: On the issue of lying to families of dead people, it takes an asshole to do it. The only issue regarding agendas is what was Hillary's when she did it?
No, the only issue is motherfuckers fabricating something that didn't happen — something that has been proven over and over again that didn't happen — and using the grief of these families for their political gain. It's despicable.
So three separate families of the dead are all fabricating motherfuckers?
Wow...
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LeRoc
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romanlion: So three separate families of the dead are all fabricating motherfuckers?
No, it wasn't directed at them. The families have nothing to do with these fabrications.
This is about the motherfuckers who fabricated a story about Benghazi, stepping over the grief of these families, just to hurt Mrs. Clinton politically.
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Dave W.
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Mere Nick: On the issue of lying to families of dead people, it takes an asshole to do it. The only issue regarding agendas is what was Hillary's when she did it?
No, the only issue is motherfuckers fabricating something that didn't happen — something that has been proven over and over again that didn't happen — and using the grief of these families for their political gain. It's despicable.
So three separate families of the dead are all fabricating motherfuckers?
Wow...
Can you provide links to quotes from three families supporting this story?
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LeRoc
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I don't have much love for Mrs. Clinton. I'm not from the US so I don't vote there but if I were, she wouldn't be my first candidate of choice.
But what sickens me is the fact-free politics. Making up a story about her that has been proven untrue, but to continue repeating it because it might hurt her politically. It is sickening because it hurts the truth. It is sickening because it abuses the grief of the families. And it says a whole lot about the political views of your side if they have to resort to made-up stories to hurt their opponent.
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Yes. I'd seen those Washington Post articles. But detailed analysis won't stop the claims. "She's a Clinton, therefore she can't be trusted".
But I think a classic liberal view of the evidence and the statements would conclude "not proven".
You're a believer in classic liberalism, Mere Nick. Why are so sure she's guilty of lying?
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Og, King of Bashan
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We're having so much fun rehashing this one more time that it has gone unnoticed that, holy cow, actual votes will be cast tomorrow!
Any predictions for Iowa on the eve of the caucus? And remember, this isn't a first past the post event, so let us know who you have in second and third, and if it is a squeaker or a landslide.
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LeRoc
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The Democratic one is easy. Sanders has chances of winning New Hampshire, not Iowa.
The Republican is a toss-up between Trump and Cruz, with Rubio coming third.
[ 31. January 2016, 14:36: Message edited by: LeRoc ]
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I have been asking people who complain that Hillary is untrustworthy, "But do you trust Trump more?" And there is of course no way anyone of sense could.
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LeRoc
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I'm all for looking at Mrs. Clinton's proposed policies with a critical eye. I disagree with a number of them. But shouting "she's dishonest!" without basis, hoping that continuing to say this will damage her, is dishonest.
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Og, King of Bashan
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The Democratic one is easy. Sanders has chances of winning New Hampshire, not Iowa.
The Republican is a toss-up between Trump and Cruz, with Rubio coming third.
But how close will it be? If Clinton beats Sanders by 10, the media narative is "game over." If he is only down by one or two, then wins New Hampshire, the story is that the presumptive winner is struggling.
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LeRoc
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Og, King of Bashan: But how close will it be? If Clinton beats Sanders by 10, the media narative is "game over." If he is only down by one or two, then wins New Hampshire, the story is that the presumptive winner is struggling.
I concur that the winning margin is significant here, but I think the true test will be in the Southern states.
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Og, King of Bashan
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Likewise on the GOP side, it seems pretty likely that Rubio will be third. But the difference between third with a healthy turn out vs. third by a mile and Ben Carson nipping at his heels is huge.
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romanlion
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Making up a story about her that has been proven untrue, but to continue repeating it because it might hurt her politically.
What is the untrue made up story about her?
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simontoad
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
We're having so much fun rehashing this one more time that it has gone unnoticed that, holy cow, actual votes will be cast tomorrow!
Any predictions for Iowa on the eve of the caucus? And remember, this isn't a first past the post event, so let us know who you have in second and third, and if it is a squeaker or a landslide.
Well, I'm waiting here, very excited, for the results. No predictions. It's all too much of a dizzying whirligig.
In the meantime, I saw people posting rubbish about Clinton, instead of complaining about the actual things that are wrong with her as a candidate, so I decided to have a go to pass the time.
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cliffdweller
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The Democratic one is easy. Sanders has chances of winning New Hampshire, not Iowa.
Current polls are saying they are now a dead heat in Iowa. Which, while understanding that a primary is quite different than a general election, is significant, given that the main charge against Sanders has been that he is unelectable.
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Leorning Cniht
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Which, while understanding that a primary is quite different than a general election, is significant, given that the main charge against Sanders has been that he is unelectable.
Isn't it that "understanding" which is important? People who vote in primaries tend to have more extreme politics than people who vote in general elections. The main charge against Bernie Sanders, I thought, has been that he would be unpopular with the 20% of voters in the middle of the political spectrum. I don't think those people are strongly represented in primaries, are they?
IMO, with a half-way rational republican candidate, there's not a chance that Bernie Sanders would win a general election, but there might be a chance for Hillary Clinton. We don't have that, though - we have the choice between a number of complete nutters as the republican candidate.
I still think Clinton would poll better than Sanders in a general election, but it may well be the case that either Clinton or Sanders will beat whoever ends up being the republican candidate. In which case, primary voters would be advised to vote their true preferences, rather than trying to pick the more electable candidate.
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Yes, I think all that is true. One further bit of data is the hunch that Sanders will do better, though, at getting out the liberal vote-- there's much more excitement re his candidacy than Clinton's. Surprisingly, Sander's campaign has much more of an Obama-like feel to it, even though Clinton would be the "history-making" candidate (the first woman president, as opposed to yet another old white guy). Sanders is drawing from huge frustrations with the system, like Obama in '09, pulling support from a vast network of small donations as opposed to the deep pockets of vested interests which all other candidates are pulling from. How that would play out in a general election is something of a wild card, but looking at '09 may give us some clues. As you said, who the GOP candidate turns out to be is very much a factor as well.
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Surprisingly, Sander's campaign has much more of an Obama-like feel to it, even though Clinton would be the "history-making" candidate (the first woman president, as opposed to yet another old white guy).
The Obama campaign saw significantly increased voter turnout in groups who haven't traditionally had a high turnout: ethnic minorities and young people. A black president is an obvious draw.
Women vote more than men anyway these days. There's no untapped pool of potential female voters to tap the way that Obama's candidacy got ethnic minority voters (and particularly black voters) to turn out.
In terms of a historic first, I think most people would agree that electing a female president would be a good thing. That only counts for anything if people are willing to abandon their preferred candidate in favour of a historic totem. If Bernie was another Martin O'Malley saying more or less mainstream Democratic things, I'd say a lot of his supporters would look at Hillary and decide that she was a pretty similar candidate, and that the chance to elect a woman was worth something.
Bernie's message is sufficiently different from Hillary's that I don't think there's much of that happening. Sure - there are plenty of Hillary supporters who are talking about how great it would be to elect a woman, but I think they're all people who would have been Hillary supporters even if she had been a man.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
The Democratic one is easy. Sanders has chances of winning New Hampshire, not Iowa.
Current polls are saying they are now a dead heat in Iowa. Which, while understanding that a primary is quite different than a general election, is significant, given that the main charge against Sanders has been that he is unelectable.
And Iowa has caucuses rather than a primary. The results are representative of those who show up rather than the party membership as a whole.
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My feeling 10 years ago was that misogyny trumps racism, and that a man - any man - even a black man - would be preferred over a woman. So I'm wondering if a man - any man - even a wild-haired old man - will still be preferred over a woman.
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LeRoc
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Firenze: My feeling 10 years ago was that misogyny trumps racism, and that a man - any man - even a black man - would be preferred over a woman. So I'm wondering if a man - any man - even a wild-haired old man - will still be preferred over a woman.
So if Sanders wins, it's because of misogyny? That's a bit too simple for me.
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If Sanders loses, is it anti-Semitism?
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Og, King of Bashan
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There have been reports that the Sanders campaign has been plagued by the support of "Bernie Bros," enthusiastic males who take to internet discussions and resort to sexist attacks on Clinton. That might lend a little credence to the misogyny over racism theory,
I am caucusing as a Democrat this year in Colorado, and I am still undecided. I might lean towards Sanders, but if I find myself in a room where every other white male is supporting Sanders, or where every black voter supports Clinton, I might be really hesitant to go over to the Sanders side myself, even if that came as no fault of the candidate. I feel more strongly about building bridges in my neighborhood than I do about either candidate. (I'm mostly showing up to get a friend who is running for state house on the primary ballot.)
I am going to predict a real squeaker on the Democratic side. I'm rooting for a Sanders win, but I still think that a slightly more likely point or two win for Clinton won't spin very well for her in the morning.
I got Trump on the GOP side, with Rubio pulling in enough panicked Republicans to finish a strong third, in the upper teens, putting pressure on Bush, Christie, and Kasich to consider if they really want to stick around long enough to potentially throw it to Trump.
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And Iowa has caucuses rather than a primary. The results are representative of those who show up rather than the party membership as a whole.
Understood that a caucus is quite different than a primary. But even in a primary, as in the general election, the results are only representative of those who show up.
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My feeling 10 years ago was that misogyny trumps racism, and that a man - any man - even a black man - would be preferred over a woman.
I had a similar opinion back during the 2008 campaign; that misogyny was a more potent force in American politics than racism. The seven years (to date) of the Obama presidency have made me re-examine that assumption.
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My feeling 10 years ago was that misogyny trumps racism, and that a man - any man - even a black man - would be preferred over a woman. So I'm wondering if a man - any man - even a wild-haired old man - will still be preferred over a woman.
Though she has improved since, charisma definitely was on the side of Obama.
Clinton was, and still is, strongly associated with establishment. Obama was a relative outsider.
So they were not coming from n equal place as far as voter perception. That said, I do believe misogyny a factor.
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If you don't, then wait until Clinton is the nominee. Obama's presidency brought out every nutbar racist from behind the baseboards. Clinton's prominence will drag out every creepy sexist with a mouth full of four-letter words.
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What I do think is that Mrs. Clinton would be able to handle the Republican obstructionism better than Pres. Obama did.
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It's 538 Season again.
Favouring Trump and Clinton in Iowa.
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My feeling 10 years ago was that misogyny trumps racism, and that a man - any man - even a black man - would be preferred over a woman. So I'm wondering if a man - any man - even a wild-haired old man - will still be preferred over a woman.
OTOH, I'm getting tired of people saying or implying I should vote for Clinton because VAGINA.
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Hmm.
I wonder how ageism, youth-ism, ugly-ism, bodyshape-ism, etc are faring?
Content of character, anyone? Best policies, anyone?
Nah! Just isn't going to happen. The superficial is just so much easier to process.
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Well, given that most people have been elected because WHITE PENIS, that isn't remarkable.
It should be about policy not anatomy, Thatcher had a vagina after all and she still managed to be a massive prick.
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I dreamed last night that Bob Dylan stood for the Republicans as a write-in candidate. When I asked him why he was standing for the Republicans he said, "Well I might look like Gerry Ford but I feel just like Jesse James."
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I am going to predict a real squeaker on the Democratic side.
Og, a real squeaker implies something completely different where I'm from, a bit like a Trump ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar lays out a reasoned argument as to why it is ridiculous to vote for Trump. Unfortunately, reason is the last criteria Trump's supporters use.
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar lays out a reasoned argument as to why it is ridiculous to vote for Trump. Unfortunately, reason is the last criteria Trump's supporters use.
I doubt that Trump's supporters would pay much attention to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- he's not only Black, but a Muslim.
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OTOH, I'm getting tired of people saying or implying I should vote for Clinton because VAGINA.
I shall have to schedule an emergency confession with my priest because the world is ending and I don't want to face the end of the world unshriven. I agree with saysay about something.
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Barnabas62
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Pretty early results I saw before turning in just now look as though they support the 538 probabilities.
Early stories look like this. Young Democrats seem to be voting, massively, for Sanders. But they appear to be well outnumbered by senior citizen Democrats who are voting massively for Clinton.
And the very significant GOP evangelical vote (a high turnout so far) looks like producing more or less equal shares for Trump. Cruz and Rubio. If so, that's good news for Trump, bad news for Cruz. Trump has a solid lead amongst non-evo Republicans.
Maybe it will all look different in a few hours time? Lots of district variations in Iowa.
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What a magnificent festival of democracy! I wish we did caucusing here.
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