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The interesting thing about a Kaine vice presidency is that it would remove him from the Senate. Kaine isn't up for re-election this year, so running for vice president would be a risk-free move for him. His replacement (if elected vice president) would be picked by Virginia governor and longtime Clinton associate Terry McAuliffe. I can see a very elaborate conspiracy theory being spun around that particular fact.
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Senate politics was part of the equation for a few VP candidates, on both sides.
Its unlikely but if the Dems won back the Senate and Clinton won, it would be more difficult for the Republicans to stop stuff.
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
It is tough to read between the lines, but I get the idea this guy doesn't like Trump.
Funny thing is, Pipes is associated with the pro-Likudnik, pro-imperial neo-conservative movement, that movement itself being one of the things that self-proclaimed "Eisenhower Republicans" often claim has driven them from the party.
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Brenda Clough
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Elaborate conspiracy theories are spun out of far, far less. Another occurrence that is not a conspiracy is that David Duke, KKK member, is so inspired by the candidacy of Donald Trump that he is running for Senate. He feels, not without reason, that it is his time.
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That's pretty sickening (David Duke running, that is). How low is Trump dragging the country?
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
The interesting thing about a Kaine vice presidency is that it would remove him from the Senate. Kaine isn't up for re-election this year, so running for vice president would be a risk-free move for him. His replacement (if elected vice president) would be picked by Virginia governor and longtime Clinton associate Terry McAuliffe. I can see a very elaborate conspiracy theory being spun around that particular fact.
Not that anyone won't make an issue out of it, but from what I can tell, it is widely understood and accepted that this makes him more attractive than Cory Booker (NJ) and Sherrod Brown (OH), whose successors would have been picked by Republicans.
Brown probably would have been a better pick to appeal to more progressive Democrats. I'm not quite sure about Booker- in my neighborhood, the big divider between progressive and moderate democrats is school choice (progressives oppose it), and Booker is pretty involved with Democrats for Education Reform, a group that supports school choice.
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From the Urban Dictionary:
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trumpster fire: What happens when rabid racist rant fuels shitstorm of word salad
That speech smells like Trumpster Fire!
by Gilbeygirl June 08, 2016
NOTE: Urban Dictionary is often NSFW for work, word-wise. This page isn't, at least the words in plain English. BUT there is a disturbing, psychedelic GIF of Trump, further down the page.
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Obviously, as a foreigner, I don't understand all the background and the references. Nor do I know who the writer is. But I was recently referred to this.
I found it rather moving, particularly the way it leads up to the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph. What do Shipmates who will have a vote in this election think?
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Speaking of "the Kenyan," I was reading that Melania's father is a communist. Oooooooh! Imagine what Fox News would have done with that if it was on the other side.
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
I just think it would be a good thing for our country to have something other than four white people on the top of the ticket . . .
Of course one of them is the first woman to head a major party ticket.
Who said that young black men need to be "brought to heel".
Political chumps is right...
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Brenda Clough
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That is indeed the knife-edge question: whether Trump is the real GOP, or whether he's just a temporary horrible affliction, like the trots or noro virus. The answer will appear on election day.
I therefore urge all my fellow Americans to vote. Register to vote now -- by October it may be too late in your jurisdiction.
In late October or early November I am going to review a book, over in the blog I post on. It will be a review of The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood. If you have read it, you will know why I plan to review it then, and what I'm going to say.
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Brenda wrote:
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In late October or early November I am going to review a book, over in the blog I post on. It will be a review of The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood. If you have read it, you will know why I plan to review it then, and what I'm going to say.
I never found that a particularly convincing dystopia. Mostly because it posits that theocrats have taken over the USA by imposing a military dictatosrship at the federal level. Whereas, by contrast, American right-wingers have always been about radically decentralizing power, thus allowing local(and presumbaly more conservative) governments to fill the void left by the abdication of the federal government.
If, for example, Roe Vs. Wade were overturned, the likely result wouldn't be the banning of abortion by the federal government, but rather individual states being allowed to ban abortion free of SCOTUS intervention. I think the closest there has recently been to "moral" legislation passed by Washington was the DOMA, which wasn't on the books for long, and which was in fact opposed by some conservatives(albeit not in Congress) for the reasons outlined here.
A more plausible US dystopia would have seen the federal government abolish itself, and conservative states all descending into petty theocracies, unencumbered by the Bill Of Rights. But I think Atwood was probably unduly influenced by the Canadian and British political traditions, where people are more accustomed to laws being made by the national government.
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Brenda Clough
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Originally posted by Stetson:
Brenda wrote:
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In late October or early November I am going to review a book, over in the blog I post on. It will be a review of The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood. If you have read it, you will know why I plan to review it then, and what I'm going to say.
I never found that a particularly convincing dystopia. Mostly because it posits that theocrats have taken over the USA by imposing a military dictatosrship at the federal level. Whereas, by contrast, American right-wingers have always been about radically decentralizing power, thus allowing local(and presumbaly more conservative) governments to fill the void left by the abdication of the federal government.
One year ago, I would have agreed with you. After last week, no.
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Originally posted by Stetson:
Whereas, by contrast, American right-wingers have always been about radically decentralizing power, thus allowing local(and presumbaly more conservative) governments to fill the void left by the abdication of the federal government.
Though there are definitely right-wingers who feel that way, the Republican party has not been about giving up centralised control completely. The patriot act, the calls for Muslims to be monitored/banned, abortion, marriage "protection", etc. have all centered on centralised control.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Stetson:
Whereas, by contrast, American right-wingers have always been about radically decentralizing power, thus allowing local(and presumbaly more conservative) governments to fill the void left by the abdication of the federal government.
Though there are definitely right-wingers who feel that way, the Republican party has not been about giving up centralised control completely. The patriot act, the calls for Muslims to be monitored/banned, abortion, marriage "protection", etc. have all centered on centralised control.
Indeed they've been working hard in the past year to pass laws prohibiting local governments from making laws more liberal than the state or federal governments.
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The cognitive dissonance in the Republican party is simply staggering.
Claiming to hate Clinton for her dishonesty, they back the most objectively dishonest, disingenuous candidate in the recent history, if not the entire history of America.
One who not only lies, but seems proud that accuracy appears irrelevant.
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The patriot act, the calls for Muslims to be monitored/banned, abortion, marriage "protection", etc. have all centered on centralised control.
True, but I think most right-wingers acknowldege, from the outset, national-security and immigration as within the proper realm of the federal government. I was thinking more about so-called "moral issues", which are the focus of A Handmaid's Tale, and which in the US are usually regulated at the state or local level, hence the desire of right-wingers to limit federal intervention.
The only centralized anti-abortion legislation I can think of is stuff like the Hyde Amendment, which bans federal funds from paying for abortions. But since that involves withdrawing money that the feds were already providing, it doesn't qualify as an extension of federal power. Quite the opposite, in fact.
I know Reagan's enforcement of the 21 drinking-age was viewed by many as an incursion into local power, and hence contradicting his decentralist agenda. But, I think he did that via threatening non-compliant states with a loss of federal highway funds. So, they still had a choice whether or not to go along(though I suspect most conservatives woulda been up-in-arms if a liberal president had enforced his agenda in the same manner).
The War On Drugs I will acknowledge as a pretty major feat of legislative centralization.
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Indeed they've been working hard in the past year to pass laws prohibiting local governments from making laws more liberal than the state or federal governments.
What cases do you have in mind?
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Originally posted by Stetson:
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Indeed they've been working hard in the past year to pass laws prohibiting local governments from making laws more liberal than the state or federal governments.
What cases do you have in mind?
Here are some examples from Arizona. I live in one of the more liberal cities, and we are often thwarted in our efforts.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Stetson:
Mousethief wrote:
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Indeed they've been working hard in the past year to pass laws prohibiting local governments from making laws more liberal than the state or federal governments.
What cases do you have in mind?
Here are some examples from Arizona. I live in one of the more liberal cities, and we are often thwarted in our efforts.
Interesting read. Thanks.
It still seems a bit of a stretch to go from a state withholding state-shared funds from the cities in order to influence local legislation(which the article says is what they're doing), to a military faction taking over in Washington and passing federal laws on abortion and pornography that are enforcable across the nation, as happens in the backstory to The Handmaid's Tale.
I'd wager that the danger from Trump is more along the lines of decentralization. He's likely to appoint SCOTUS judges who will rule that marriage laws, for example, are within the purview of the states, thus overturning(if they have a majority) Obergefell.
And in this, I think he'd be very much like a typical post-Goldwater Republican, rather than like the unprecedented evil his opponents have made him out to be. (And, no mistake, I consider post-Goldwater Republicans to be bad enough that I'd vote Democrat to keep them out, were I an American.)
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Originally posted by Stetson:
I never found that a particularly convincing dystopia. Mostly because it posits that theocrats have taken over the USA by imposing a military dictatosrship at the federal level. Whereas, by contrast, American right-wingers have always been about radically decentralizing power, thus allowing local(and presumbaly more conservative) governments to fill the void left by the abdication of the federal government.
Nope. They're just venue shopping, looking for the largest level of government that will support their position. All the rhetoric about "smaller government" is just a cover to disguise opportunism as principle.
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Originally posted by Stetson:
If, for example, Roe Vs. Wade were overturned, the likely result wouldn't be the banning of abortion by the federal government, but rather individual states being allowed to ban abortion free of SCOTUS intervention.
Depends on how it's overturned, doesn't it? The current Republican platform (and the previous one, and the one before that, and . . . ) endorse a "human life amendment". If Roe were overturned by such an amendment abortion would automatically be first degree murder in all fifty states.
No one really cares about federalism. They just want their agenda enacted.
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Croesos wrote:
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Depends on how it's overturned, doesn't it? The current Republican platform (and the previous one, and the one before that, and . . . ) endorse a "human life amendment". If Roe were overturned by such an amendment abortion would automatically be first degree murder in all fifty states.
But if you had to bet your life savings on Roe getting overturned by the SCOTUS and abortion being handed back to the states, OR a Human Life Amendment passing through congress and abortion being first-degree murder coast-to-coast, what would you bet?
I take the point that most conservatives don't really care about federalism, or at least that they would happily sell out those principles to get what they want. I still think the American federal system is too strongly entrenched as to make The Handmaid's Tale scenario a likely possibility. Margaret Atwood herself had to posit a military coup(as opposed to congress passing laws making the nation a theocracy) in order to bring it about.
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by Stetson:
But if you had to bet your life savings on Roe getting overturned by the SCOTUS and abortion being handed back to the states, OR a Human Life Amendment passing through congress and abortion being first-degree murder coast-to-coast, what would you bet?
I've responded to this at the parallel Presidential Election thread for forbidden topics.
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"The unauthorized use of 'Here Comes the Sun' at the RNC is offensive and against the wishes of the George Harrison estate. If it had been 'Beware of Darkness,' we might have approved it." - George Harrison estate
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Pavarotti's Widow Tells Trump to Stop Using 'Nessun Dorma' in Campaign:
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Luciano Pavarotti's widow has told Donald Trump to stop playing the tenor's most famous aria at campaign events, saying the billionaire's values are "incompatible" with the world's most recognized opera singer.
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Brenda--
Check the "About" section of that Business Standard News link. Satire site. I could easily believe the article, but it's satire.
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A letter to the New York Times:
To the Editor:
As Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens’s mother, I am writing to object to any mention of his name and death in Benghazi, Libya, by Donald Trump’s campaign and the Republican Party.
I know for certain that Chris would not have wanted his name or memory used in that connection. I hope that there will be an immediate and permanent stop to this opportunistic and cynical use by the campaign.
MARY F. COMMANDAY
Oakland, Calif.
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Originally posted by Josephine:
Having a president in hock to another country's leaders seems like a bad idea, you know?
Uhh...Yeah?
No comments on the DNC's new Southern Strategy?
Not surprising. Nonetheless the convention has been immediately improved by the removal of the committee chairwoman from the proceedings.
I'm sure Sander's supporters will all suck it up and get in line like good little boys and girls.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Josephine:
Having a president in hock to another country's leaders seems like a bad idea, you know?
Uhh...Yeah?
No comments on the DNC's new Southern Strategy?
Not surprising. Nonetheless the convention has been immediately improved by the removal of the committee chairwoman from the proceedings.
I'm sure Sander's supporters will all suck it up and get in line like good little boys and girls.
This isn't a huge surprise. The Democrats have been masters of negative campaigning, both against each other in the primaries, and against Republicans in the elections, going back at least to LBJ and Daisy(for our purposes, I'm not counting the racialism of the pre-60s southern Democrats, which would take us back even further.)
The first person to bring up Mike Dukakis' furlogh program was Al Gore, in the Democratic primaries. He didn't mention Willie Horton, and hence can't be accused of racializaing the issue, but still, it was an exploitation of the same law-and-order paranoia that liberals purport to decry when the GOP does it.
And guess who invented Birtherism?
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Wasserman Shultz is back in the rotation for the convention, but will resign as party chair at the end of the week.
I think Cruz's boos will have some competition this week.
This election season just continues to bring it...
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Wasserman Shultz is back in the rotation for the convention, but will resign as party chair at the end of the week.
I think Cruz's boos will have some competition this week.
This election season just continues to bring it...
False equivalency.
Trump doesn't disavow Duke, and ya'll are still talking about freaking emails (leaked by the Russians who just happen to have a few former operatives among Trump's camp but hey...)
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Wasserman Shultz is back in the rotation for the convention, but will resign as party chair at the end of the week.
I think Cruz's boos will have some competition this week.
This election season just continues to bring it...
False equivalency.
Trump doesn't disavow Duke, and ya'll are still talking about freaking emails (leaked by the Russians who just happen to have a few former operatives among Trump's camp but hey...)
Wow. You got me all wrong, man...
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Wasserman Shultz is back in the rotation for the convention...
And after getting soundly booed before she could even get there, she is now out again.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
She should just go ahead and start her new gig with Hillary a few days early.
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I doubt very much that she has any future with Hillary.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I doubt very much that she has any future with Hillary.
Well, "honorary chair" of a GOTV committee is sort of a "gig", although most would describe it as "a face-saving sop tossed to a long-term party hack".
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I've never really gotten the political move where you double down on your claim of innocence by embracing the appearance of impropriety. Oh well, maybe it will keep DWS too busy to work on her other pet project, softening CFPB regulatory powers over the payday loan industry.
(Honestly, while the emails make the DNC look pretty bad, I would wager that the RNC emails about taking Trump out were much worse. I will say that the "well, you only found out because of the Russians who are trying to help Trump!" defense isn't particularly impressive to me.)
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re: the DNC's atheist-baiting against Sanders.
I once worked as a phone jockey for a Canadian polling firm, and during one election, we did a survey for one of the political parties(we weren't told which one) which asked...
"The candidate for the XYZ Party in your riding is a native Canadian[or whatever the term for First Nations was back then]. How do you feel about this?"
Now, I don't know which party commissioned that poll; it might even have been the party that was running the FN candidate, wondering how much they should stress his FN background in the campaign.
Point is, though, parties DO take into account how "identity" issues like race and relgion are going to play out in an election. I suppose it's worse if you try to exploit peoples' racism against an opposing candidate("Don't vote for him, he's an indian"), then if you just try to downplay your own candidate's identity to appease bigots("See? Suit and tie. He's barely an indian at all."), but either way, you ARE bowing to the sentiment of bigots to garner votes.
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Interesting Stetson. Has anyone pointed out or polled about these candidates both being blond? And obviously neither is real.
I realize they don't need to bother polling about being a bigot, which for one of them is a reason for his polls.
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Interesting Stetson. Has anyone pointed out or polled about these candidates both being blond? And obviously neither is real.
Sanders is blond?
(The email in question has nothing to do with Trump- in it, a senior DNC official / strategist floated the idea of reminding Democratic primary and caucus voters in certain states that Sanders was only culturally Jewish, and probably an Atheist, in hopes that it would inspire them to vote for Clinton. The sender of the email has apologized and said that it was a heat of the moment thing- just another reminder to read and consider how it would look in the papers before you press "send".)
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I doubt very much that she has any future with Hillary.
Following today’s resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz from her role as Chair of the Democratic National Committee, Hillary Clinton issued the following statement:
“I want to thank my longtime friend Debbie Wasserman Schultz for her leadership of the Democratic National Committee over the past five years. I am grateful to Debbie for getting the Democratic Party to this year’s historic convention in Philadelphia, and I know that this week’s events will be a success thanks to her hard work and leadership. There’s simply no one better at taking the fight to the Republicans than Debbie–which is why I am glad that she has agreed to serve as honorary chair of my campaign’s 50-state program to gain ground and elect Democrats in every part of the country, and will continue to serve as a surrogate for my campaign nationally, in Florida, and in other key states. I look forward to campaigning with Debbie in Florida and helping her in her re-election bid–because as President, I will need fighters like Debbie in Congress who are ready on day one to get to work for the American people.”
I wonder if it's a paying gig...
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Interesting Stetson. Has anyone pointed out or polled about these candidates both being blond? And obviously neither is real.
Heard a clip today, on NPR, of Hillary talking about this. She said her hair's real, the color isn't.
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Philly delegate. (Language)
Who could have predicted two weeks ago that the DNC was gonna be more entertaining than the RNC?
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Watching the joint PBS/NPR "Newshour" coverage of the first night of the DNC. Assorted famous folks (celebs and politicians) as the opening act. Senator/comedian Al Franken, comedienne Sarah Silverman; Paul Simon, looking ragged, singing "Sound of Silence" on his own to help calm the crowd, I think (though I'm sorry, I know he and Art are on the outs, but the song needs both of them); actress Eva Longoria, who's Latina and from Texas, did an amazing job of tying some of Trump's insults to her family (track down the speech!); and Sen. Corey Booker is speaking now, preaching American unity and rejecting Trumps insults and ideas, point by point, and dishing dirt about Trump's business dealings in New Jersey, Booker's home state.
BTW, the TV screen references #DEMSinPhilly, for anyone who wants to follow on Twitter.
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You should be able to watch much of the PBS coverage of the DNC here.
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Michelle Obama just made the greatest speech at the DNC. The crowd went wild after she said that she lives in a house built by slaves and she can look out the window and see her daughters playing in the yard with their dog. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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