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W Hyatt
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Charles Pierce over at the Atlantic is one of the great political curmudgeons of our day, and \ this rant is excellent.
Thanks for that link. This paragraph in particular struck me:
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It is now popular to opine that, had the Democratic Party nominated someone else for president, then Donald Trump already would have been crushed as an electoral force. Watching the events of the last month leads me to the opposite conclusion. Had the Republican Party nominated someone more dedicated to the hard work of demagoguery, someone more committed to the craft of being a dictator, instead of the scatterbrained dilettante currently campaigning as a performance piece, that candidate would be even money to defeat anyone the Democrats put up in opposition.
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romanlion
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"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy,not [sic] transformational, with a husband still d**king bimbos at home (according to the NYP)."
Colin Powell on Hillary - 2014
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I was feeling sleepy and got off the freeway at Newberry, SC to change drivers and have a bathroom break. What a town! It gladdened my heart to see well nigh on 30 banners and posters around the town, with one lawn decorated with at least eight lawn posters for candidates from the President (Trump) through to the Clerk of Courts. Truly, this lawn was festooned.
I believe that the candidates were mainly on the republican side of the street, but there was one candidate for Congress who had a decided Democratic look about him. Plus, the other candidate identified as Republican. Newberry SC, you are my kind of town, well, except for your flavor of politics...
Political Billboard of the Trip: Outside Charleston, Hillary and Trump beaming down at motorists. "Moving to Canada? Let us sell your home."
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Ah, it appears you have found the indigenous Electora Americana, commonly known as the Wild American Ballot.
Unlike we in Commonwealth Realms who suffer with only one office on a ballot at a time, and thus one x, the Wild American Ballot features a plethora of offices by way of electoral plumage. What it lacks in party diversity it makes up for in office selection. It is believed to attract the other, more fickle half of the species, the Common American Voter.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Newberry SC, you are my kind of town, well, except for your flavor of politics...
Newberry is indeed a great place. 70 miles from my home and yes, decidedly (R).
Newberry is between Clinton and Prosperity, and there is a (somewhat) famous intersection not far from there that shows signs for each town, with arrows in opposing directions.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Political Billboard of the Trip: Outside Charleston, Hillary and Trump beaming down at motorists. "Moving to Canada? Let us sell your home."
But to whom? one might ask...
Clever marketing on the realtor's part, though...
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by romanlion:
"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy,not [sic] transformational, with a husband still d**king bimbos at home (according to the NYP)."
Colin Powell on Hillary - 2014
Of course, that was before an escapee from Ringling Bros. decided to put his hat in the ring.
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mdijon
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And of course what he said about Trump is much more bleak. It sounds like the choice between the one he would prefer not to have to vote for and the one he wouldn't vote for.
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romanlion--
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Originally posted by romanlion:
"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy,not [sic] transformational, with a husband still d**king bimbos at home (according to the NYP)."
Colin Powell on Hillary - 2014
Is that from the New York Post? (Per your NYP.) Do you have a link? I don't know if the quote is accurate. The NYP is tabloidish, AFAIK.
BTW, thanks for answering my earlier question about how you would vote, if you had to.
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Originally posted by mdijon:
And of course what he said about Trump is much more bleak. It sounds like the choice between the one he would prefer not to have to vote for and the one he wouldn't vote for.
Isn't that exactly the dilemma? Trump is so appalling that whatever a person thinks of Mrs Clinton, their duty to their fellow citizens, the rest of humanity and God is to hold their nose and vote for her.
The maths are such that even a protest vote for Mr or Mrs A. N. Other is not an option.
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I'd say more a reluctant nobrainer rather than a dilemma.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
romanlion--
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Originally posted by romanlion:
"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy,not [sic] transformational, with a husband still d**king bimbos at home (according to the NYP)."
Colin Powell on Hillary - 2014
Is that from the New York Post? (Per your NYP.) Do you have a link? I don't know if the quote is accurate. The NYP is tabloidish, AFAIK.
Link
It's a direct quote from Powell's leaked emails. The NYP reference is his.
In an exchange with (mega) donor and Clinton supporter Jeffery Leeds in 2015, Leeds describes attending an event with Hillary where she could "barely climb the podium steps."
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Originally posted by mdijon:
And of course what he said about Trump is much more bleak.
And much less noteworthy...
Powell made is career mostly in republican administrations (those racists), but he's a democrat voter.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Powell made is career mostly in republican administrations (those racists), but he's a democrat voter.
Not really. He's an Obama voter. Powell never really said anything about his other votes and it's likely that prior to Obama Powell voted for at least some Republican Presidential candidates.
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The secret ballot is a wonderful and glorious thing. (Although it is supposedly illegal, I do like the idea of taking a selfie of yourself and your ballot.)
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Originally posted by romanlion:
It's a direct quote from Powell's leaked emails. The NYP reference is his.
Oh, I'm quite sure that's impossible. Clinton is the only person, ever, who mishandled emails. Certainly no one in a Republican administration would ever do something so vile!
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Originally posted by romanlion:
In an exchange with (mega) donor and Clinton supporter Jeffery Leeds in 2015, Leeds describes attending an event with Hillary where she could "barely climb the podium steps."
I believe that was right after she murdered Vince Foster, and just before she forged a birth certificate to cover up her secret Kenyan Muslim heritage. Probably died her hair too.
Keep it up-- with every increasingly ludicrous conspiracy theory you're simply undermining the credibility of any more plausible problem.
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Brenda Clough
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I particularly admire the idea of body doubles. There's a lot you can do with an army of lookalikes.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
It's a direct quote from Powell's leaked emails. The NYP reference is his.
Oh, I'm quite sure that's impossible. Clinton is the only person, ever, who mishandled emails. Certainly no one in a Republican administration would ever do something so vile!
Powell didn't mishandle anything, his personal emails were hacked and then leaked. As far as I know none of Powell's correspondence from the single machine he used at State for classified email have been hacked or leaked.
Hillary operated completely outside the .gov system for all of her personal and State department business, on a server that was in her basement, and accessed that server from umpteen mobile devices wherever in the world she was and could find a wi-fi network.
Apples and moon rocks.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
In an exchange with (mega) donor and Clinton supporter Jeffery Leeds in 2015, Leeds describes attending an event with Hillary where she could "barely climb the podium steps."
I believe that was right after she murdered Vince Foster, and just before she forged a birth certificate to cover up her secret Kenyan Muslim heritage. Probably died her hair too.
Keep it up-- with every increasingly ludicrous conspiracy theory you're simply undermining the credibility of any more plausible problem.
What conspiracy theory do you imagine you see here?
It's just the words exchanged between Powell and Leeds through email, confirmed by Powell's office to be authentic.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And much less noteworthy...
Powell made is career mostly in republican administrations (those racists), but he's a democrat voter.
You've often got a bizarre reason for focusing on and speculating on some negative aspect applied to Clinton and dismissing the same or worse negative aspect that might be applied to Trump.
A republican describes Trump as a national disgrace. Because they voted for Obama that's not as important as the less negative thing they said about Clinton.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by mdijon:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And much less noteworthy...
Powell made is career mostly in republican administrations (those racists), but he's a democrat voter.
You've often got a bizarre reason for focusing on and speculating on some negative aspect applied to Clinton and dismissing the same or worse negative aspect that might be applied to Trump.
It should be obvious, but I'll break it down for you.
It is less noteworthy that Powell criticizes a republican, especially this republican, because he has been slamming republicans for years. People expect it.
This cycle in particular his criticism of Trump is like a fart in a hurricane...
But when he says "Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris", that's noteworthy. It's news.
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by romanlion:
It should be obvious, but I'll break it down for you.
It is less noteworthy that Powell criticizes a republican, especially this republican, because he has been slamming republicans for years. People expect it.
This cycle in particular his criticism of Trump is like a fart in a hurricane...
I'm pretty sure claiming criticisms of Trump aren't newsworthy is what someone or other once called "the soft bigotry of low expectations".
And Powell hasn't really been "slamming republicans for years", at least not in public. (Privately via e-mail seems to be another matter entirely.) Unless you count endorsing a democrat for president (twice) to be "slamming republicans".
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
And Powell hasn't really been "slamming republicans for years", at least not in public.
Just McCain in 2008...
Romney in 2012...
And the GOP in 2013...
Not to mention anything from 2016.
That's years, and pretty public...
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I am looking forward to the first Presidential Debate on September 26. I would say this will be a make or break situation for the candidates. There will likely be 3 people in the debate, assuming Gary Johnson can hold up in the polls.
Of the three, my money will be on Hillary. She is a skilled debater, having been trained as a lawyer and been in politics most of her adult life, even being member of the US Senate.
It has been my experience in the past that the first debate will be the most watched and undecided people will make their determination then. Examples of the first televised debate debacles are when Nixon debated Kennedy. Nixon was the better prepared, but he did not wear makeup and looked ghastly. Then there is the image of Bush looking at his watch in his debate against Bill Clinton.
Shortly after the debate some states will begin early voting. Once people begin voting it will be harder for any candidate to make up lost ground from the first debate.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I particularly admire the idea of body doubles. There's a lot you can do with an army of lookalikes.
It worked for President Mitchell.
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Examples of the first televised debate debacles are when Nixon debated Kennedy. Nixon was the better prepared, but he did not wear makeup and looked ghastly.
Nixon also kept looking from side to side in a "shifty" manner. The main reason for this was that the clock was off to one side of the stage, so every time Nixon checked how much time he had left he did the shifty-eyed thing. Kennedy had a much firmer grasp of body language and always looked down at the podium before glancing at the clock.
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
I am looking forward to the first Presidential Debate on September 26.
Should be compelling television to say the least.
I expect it will set the high water mark for POTUS debate ratings for years to come, in spite of the low approval of both candidates*.
*ETA: Or perhaps because of?
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Trump is so appalling that whatever a person thinks of Mrs Clinton, their duty to their fellow citizens, the rest of humanity and God is to hold their nose and vote for her.
I am not a fan of Clinton, but Americans have no other rational choice. Her problem is not that she is unqualified, that is imbecilic rhetoric of those fools who need velcro on their trainers because they cannot manage laces.
Her biggest real problem is that she is an entrenched part of a flawed system. A problem for the American voter is that there is no other rational choice.
Trump may not be part of the political establishment, but he is emblematic of some of their biggest problems.
Gary Johnson and the other unelectables are merely distractions and resource drains.
With Clinton. America will have a competent leader, though not likely the one it needs.
With Trump, well, who the Hell knows? Evidence is that he will not be even passable. He might be, but with the same odds that a meteorite with a perfect, already cut, 1,000 carat diamond encased within will land in my back garden. It is possible, but bloody unlikely.
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This cycle in particular his criticism of Trump is like a fart in a hurricane...
You mean this to disparage Powell, but it actually emphasises the need to vote for Clinton. That hurricane of criticism of Trump is not for nothing.
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A particularly devastating dissection of the emptiness at the center of Trump. This is from the NY Times, which means you have to use one of your free stories on the click.
The point that strikes me (which I do not believe has been pointed out before) is Bruni's discussion of Trump's Sekrit Plan to Defeet ISIS. He refuses to speak of it, because Obama might implement it, and then (because it will succeed in jig time) cop all the credit. Yes, the death of however many people between now and the Trumpian inaugural is acceptable, because Trump getting the kudos is paramount.
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
And Powell hasn't really been "slamming republicans for years", at least not in public.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Just McCain in 2008...
Romney in 2012...
And the GOP in 2013...
Not to mention anything from 2016.
That's years, and pretty public...
He criticized aspects of their campaigns but didn't call any of them anything like as strong as a national disgrace.
But no, you don't have to break it down any further, I get it completely and have got what you mean for some time on this thread.
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A good and timely piece, detailing why the Powell emails impact Hillary more than Trump, from CNBC.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Well, thank God. Our long national nightmare is over. The Birther in Chief has thrown in the towel.
You about gave me a heart attack. I thought you had linked to a story saying Trump had dropped out of the race. I'd say our nightmare is far from over.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Well, thank God. Our long national nightmare is over. The Birther in Chief has thrown in the towel.
I'm sure President Obama is sleeping much better, knowing that he doesn't face deportation on January 21.
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It sounds like the announcement was part of a broader and more bizarre stunt, which involved press members being locked in the ballroom while Trump ignored their questions and lured the pool television cameras away from reporters for a question-free tour of his new hotel. Oh, and the stage that Trump spoke from collapsed in front of assembled media a short time after Trump left.
Read all about it, with footage of the stage collapse.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Well, thank God. Our long national nightmare is over. The Birther in Chief has thrown in the towel.
I'm sure President Obama is sleeping much better, knowing that he doesn't face deportation on January 21.
Obama is cool, assuring us that he kind of knew where he was born.
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Can someone cite one incident where Mr. Trump said
"I am sorry, I was wrong about that"?
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Well, thank God. Our long national nightmare is over. The Birther in Chief has thrown in the towel.
That ploy kinda blew up on Hillary and her media.
Trump has all the talk focused on the details of Mark Penn's memos from 2008 discussing Obama's "otherness" and lack of "American roots".
Absolutely hilarious...never seen anything like it.
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Here is a report from a reporter who was there. It sounds like an egregious scam even for Trump, and I sense that the press is not going to suck up this kind of crap any more.
He could do it again tomorrow...no problem.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The headline here says it all: Never Wrong, Never Sorry, Never Responsible. These are both from the POST, btw.
Enough about Obama, he's just about outta here!
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We are now in Macon GA, and have determined that freeways are not the places to see election billboards, unlike around my place in Australia, which is one of those places. We did see a few Trump/Pence lawn things in one town, while driving along a state highway. Nothing for poor old Hill. I think Arkansas is more Clinton country but we won't be going there. From here its across to Selma to tread the sacred places of the Civil Rights Movement, and then down to New Orleans.
Trump finally denied the birthers. I have no idea how anyone's credibility could survive that. But I think his will among people who already like him. I think they will excuse his lies and say that Hilary is worse. I'm scared Trump might win. It will probably pass, but I am scared right now.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Trump finally denied the birthers. I have no idea how anyone's credibility could survive that. But I think his will among people who already like him. I think they will excuse his lies and say that Hilary is worse. I'm scared Trump might win. It will probably pass, but I am scared right now.
It has happened in the past where people, en masse, have been drawn towards a situation that lacks all credibility. Even individuals dubious about the thing to which they feel drawn are powerless to hold out against the pull of the crowd. It might be a form of mass hypnosis.
Possibly the most disturbing image I've seen of what is currently going on in America was a simple pop-art. It was that of a brick, stood on end, with Trump's hair-piece on top of it.
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Is it normal in US elections for one of the candidates to ask that his opposing candidate be set up for assassination?
I know he wants the "second amendment people" to take the law into their own hands - that is what guns are designed for. But is he so afraid of HC that he needs her assassinated before the voting?
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It's Not That Simple
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Brenda Clough
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I doubt it is fear. I believe Trump is totally driven by audience response, and if they cheer he is willing to say anything. No other entity has any reality for him, and therefore whether Clinton, or anybody, lives or dies is of no relevance. And therefore why not call for her death? It is like calling for the death of a hobbit, with no reality whatsoever.
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Mamacita
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I believe Trump is totally driven by audience response, and if they cheer he is willing to say anything.
Which is why I wish the upcoming debates were done without audiences. Nobody there to cheer or applaud. Just the candidates and the moderator and a TV camera.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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But the audience may egg him on to say stupider and stupider things, which will put Hillary in a better and better light. Especially since she's a skilled lawyer who, I'm sure, knows how to cross-examine.
[ 18. September 2016, 04:11: Message edited by: Amanda B. Reckondwythe ]
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