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Source: (consider it) Thread: Purgatory: In, out, in, out; EU Referendum thread.
Gracious rebel

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Three months for the Leave campaign to destroy itself in a civil war over the competing and mutually exclusive promises they made. A lot of blood on the carpet before someone comes out in front as the defining vision for the UK outside the EU - and then many of those who voted to leave will feel betrayed because what they voted for won't be happening.

[Overused] (This is when we need a 'like' feature here!) Alan sums up the essentials. What a mess!

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North East Quine

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quote:
Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Oo-er, oo-er.
Looking on with amazement from the other side of the world.
[Eek!]

Does this mean another wall across the north?

All 32 regions of Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Being pulled out of the EU against our will is a disaster for us.

I have no appetite for another referendum; I dread what will happen next.

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fletcher christian

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You're all in for a rough ride.
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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
I go back to my earlier post: maybe now those people at the EU Commission and some prominent EU leaders

I suspect that history will not look kindly on the actions of both Schauble and Merkel, faced with multiple crisises they have in every instance adopted an approach that was all stick and no carrot.

Of course we have suffered less from this than the rest of the EU, and have our own political circumstances to thank for the situation we now find ourselves in.

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quote:
posted by NEQ:
All 32 regions of Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Being pulled out of the EU against our will is a disaster for us.

I have no appetite for another referendum; I dread what will happen next.

My first thought was "Oh God, what have we done".
The second was "Please God, not another indyref"

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Looking at the financial world, the FTSE 100 index is going back up, the pound is steadying.

Meanwhile, the DAX and other European stock markets are showing much larger falls than London.

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Alan Cresswell

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
Meanwhile, the DAX and other European stock markets are showing much larger falls than London.

Which just goes to show that not only has this ill-conceived referendum, with an undefined question and a meaningless result, screwed the UK economy it's also screwed the economies of the rest of the EU.

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quote:
Originally posted by kingsfold:
My first thought was "Oh God, what have we done".
The second was "Please God, not another indyref"

My first thought was much the same.
My second was "What happens to my sister-in-law?" [Ultra confused] She's Polish, married to an Anglo-Scot.

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TP is rubbing his hands and hourly checking the price of all the books in his on-line shopping basket. I suspect that because of your blasted referendum we will have to buy another bookcase.

Your hurricane is my butterfly.

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
Looking at the financial world, the FTSE 100 index is going back up, the pound is steadying.

Dead cat bounce?
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Meanwhile, the DAX and other European stock markets are showing much larger falls than London.

You mention that as if it's a good thing [Disappointed]

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quote:
Originally posted by kingsfold:
quote:
posted by NEQ:
All 32 regions of Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Being pulled out of the EU against our will is a disaster for us.

I have no appetite for another referendum; I dread what will happen next.

My first thought was "Oh God, what have we done".
The second was "Please God, not another indyref"

Indeed, what have you done.

The damage the Brexit-voters inflict on themselves is one thing, the damage they inflict on the rest of the EU is downright egotistical, irresponsible hooliganism. Above all it moves the world significantly closer to complete destabilization. Definitely not Britain's finest hour.

As for Scotland, after the next independence referendum, they will be warmly welcomed into the EU.

[ 24. June 2016, 10:31: Message edited by: opaWim ]

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Sturgeon says she expects to protect the position of Scotland in the EU, and has said that Saddiq Khan wants the same for London.

Preparing the legislation required for a second referendum if that's what it takes. Overall, repeatedly said she is determined that they will stay in the EU. But referendum highly likely....

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I see that Frank Field has said that Labour voters who voted Leave, are protesting against globalization. I would think also austerity and immigration. It's a moot point whether a Boris or Gove government will reduce these things, they may even increase.

Last night, I knew the game was up when Sheffield voted Leave, and before that, Sunderland. And then a whole string of towns across the North, Wigan, Oldham, Bury, Blackpool, and so on. Gordon Bennett.

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You know, the people who voted for an exit are actually people. A huge swath of them if you look at the map based on local results.

Somebody really should be asking them why, as against assuming the why is what the leaders of the exit were/are saying.

On another note, I've seen a few things out there indicating this is a generational split as well. I'd be a bit more cautious about this, given that the idea is based on exit polls that seemed to have gotten the whole thing wrong.

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I see that Frank Field has said that Labour voters who voted Leave, are protesting against globalization. I would think also austerity and immigration. It's a moot point whether a Boris or Gove government will reduce these things, they may even increase.

Last night, I knew the game was up when Sheffield voted Leave, and before that, Sunderland. And then a whole string of towns across the North, Wigan, Oldham, Bury, Blackpool, and so on. Gordon Bennett.

I thought Gordon Bennett was one of the few northern towns to vote remain? Are you confusing it with Royston Vasey?

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We stayed up til 4.30am. Didn't really intend to just got caught up in it.
It was the consistency and weight of the Leave vote coming in constituency after constituency that made me realise the People had spoken as it were.

It feels odd this morning. Personally I am no jubilant, others who have worked exceedingly hard at this have every right to be. Someone has said 'make the best of it'. That might make a good sig.

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Og: The problem is that, as I recently heard in a conversation with a politician, the "no" vote covers a multitude of nos. There is no single Brexit policy. There are a whole load of reasons in favour of "no", some of which Marvin has eloquently summed up here, but some of them are conflicting and few of the good ones formed part of the Leave campaign.

By making its campaign a nasty one, Leave has legitimised the nastier and less sensible arguments. I am very doubtful whether it can deliver on all or any of its promises. Now all of us in Europe - and in that I include the UK - will reap the whirlwind.

[ 24. June 2016, 11:24: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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On a day of general political bitterness, one spot of good cheer. Donald Trump is in Scotland and as is being greeted by smiling Scots waving flags, and dancing to the merry sound of a mariachi band.
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Hmmm - a no confidence vote in Jeremy Corbyn from among the parliamentary Labour party.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
Og: The problem is that, as I recently heard in a conversation with a politician, the "no" vote covers a multitude of nos. There is no single Brexit policy. There are a whole load of reasons in favour of "no", some of which Marvin has eloquently summed up here, but some of them are conflicting and few of the good ones formed part of the Leave campaign.

By making its campaign a nasty one, Leave has legitimised the nastier and less sensible arguments. I am very doubtful whether it can deliver on all or any of its promises. Now all of us in Europe - and in that I include the UK - will reap the whirlwind.

Bits of the Leave campaign were nasty - some of it very reasonable. The Remain campaign was depressingly negative. At the end it was borderline hysteria. There's plenty of Greeks and out of work young people in Italy who reckon they''re reaping the (EU) whirlwind already.

The U K will come out of this OK - we've got longstanding economic and social relationships outside Europe. I'm with you on being concerned about the impact on the rest of Europe.

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OpaWim:

quote:
The damage the Brexit-voters inflict on themselves is one thing, the damage they inflict on the rest of the EU is downright egotistical, irresponsible hooliganism.
I think I'd have voted against Brexit were I a British voter. That said, I'm not convinced that it's the obligation of the UK to consider the well-being of other countries when making the decision about whether to stay or go. If a nation doesn't think that membership is serving its needs, they should be well within their rights to leave.
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
On a day of general political bitterness, one spot of good cheer. Donald Trump is in Scotland and as is being greeted by smiling Scots waving flags, and dancing to the merry sound of a mariachi band.

LOL. You know...if you'd keep Trump over there, we'd have room for one of your political miscreants. They wouldn't be able to be president, so no serious danger to us. Perhaps both could be put to work picking up trash?

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North East Quine

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Trump has tweeted that the place (Scotland) is going wild over the (Brexit) vote.

The mariachi band isn't celebrating Brexit, Donald!

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quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Sturgeon says she expects to protect the position of Scotland in the EU, and has said that Saddiq Khan wants the same for London.

The "Leave" position seems to be that leaving would allow the UK to avoid the parts of EU membership it didn't like but retain the bits it found convenient. I came across two bits of information highlighting this today.

First, Cornwall is seeking reassurance that it will still receive EU grants (or equivalent subsidies from the UK, the article isn't entirely clear).

The other fact was that Cornwall voted 57/43 in favor of "Leave".

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Sturgeon says she expects to protect the position of Scotland in the EU, and has said that Saddiq Khan wants the same for London.

The "Leave" position seems to be that leaving would allow the UK to avoid the parts of EU membership it didn't like but retain the bits it found convenient. I came across two bits of information highlighting this today.

First, Cornwall is seeking reassurance that it will still receive EU grants (or equivalent subsidies from the UK, the article isn't entirely clear).

The other fact was that Cornwall voted 57/43 in favor of "Leave".

This would be comical, if it wasn't so grim. Deprived areas seem to be in a schizoid position, saying fuck off to the EU, but also saying, please help us, as we are deprived. But who are they saying this to now? Ah yes, a right wing Tory government. Now that does make sense.

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I'm not quite sure whether London wants the bankers or not, but Morgan Stanley has started moving 2,000 of them out, to Dublin or Frankfurt.

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Originally posted by L'organist:
No, we can't - but we won't have to: sooner or later sanity will prevail because the intrinsic value of the companies hasn't altered significantly and it makes no sense to behave as if they have.

Except of course there is a very real chance that the EU will take the democratically expressed wish of the English and Welsh people at their word and tell them to get out of the Single Market like the English and Welsh people told them to.
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The positive bit of this unholy mess is that no-one is disputing fundamentally the legitmacy of the result or the obligation of the government to enact article 50. It was a clear,if close, vote on a high turnout.

I wanted to remain, but what I want more is not to have major civil unrest over this. Which is what would happen if Westminster tried to ignore the result.

I think Cameron is sensible both to resign and give a timeline for a new prime minister. If he hadn't resigned then when he was going to would have continued to be an absolutely massive distraction, and if he had resigned with immediate effect it would have destabilised the economic situation further.

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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
I'm not quite sure whether London wants the bankers or not, but Morgan Stanley has started moving 2,000 of them out, to Dublin or Frankfurt.

Hmm - or maybe they haven't.

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quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
I'm not quite sure whether London wants the bankers or not, but Morgan Stanley has started moving 2,000 of them out, to Dublin or Frankfurt.

Hmm - or maybe they haven't.
Indeed, the problem with social media is the potential for needless scaremongering.

In a world where there are plenty of real things to be scared of, why are people starting false stories alongside the real ones (not you lowlands_boy)?

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quote:
Originally posted by Truman White:
The U K will come out of this OK - we've got longstanding economic and social relationships outside Europe.

Maybe Great-Britain (minus Scotland) will come out of this O.K., but trade with one of the larger consumer markets will be harder and less profitable, and London will no longer be one of the major financial centers in the world.
In the end it all depends on the definition of "O.K.", of course.

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I'm with you on being concerned about the impact on the rest of Europe.
Thank you.
We will most likely sustain substantially less damage than the U.K. itself.

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Well, the BBC were citing "sources in the bank" - a quick google on it only really shows hits from mainstream media....

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Sturgeon says she expects to protect the position of Scotland in the EU, and has said that Saddiq Khan wants the same for London.

The "Leave" position seems to be that leaving would allow the UK to avoid the parts of EU membership it didn't like but retain the bits it found convenient. ...
Ya'll need a clarity act. Not that this is really enforceable.

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quote:
Originally posted by opaWim:
London will no longer be one of the major financial centers in the world.
In the end it all depends on the definition of "O.K.", of course.

Do you really think London will be allowed to fail?

It could depend on what big businesses or financial institutions see as the future of the EU. If they feel that the EU is likely to crumble away within, say, 10 years, they might think it's better to have a head start in a fairly stable country, rather than heading to France or Germany where they could be facing another referendum, or the collapse of a government, in due course.

[ 24. June 2016, 14:59: Message edited by: SvitlanaV2 ]

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Ya'll need a clarity act. Not that this is really enforceable.

I would suggest a Reality Act, but that would be rejected as too few would be able to grasp the concept.

[ 24. June 2016, 15:03: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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Originally posted by opaWim:
London will no longer be one of the major financial centers in the world.
In the end it all depends on the definition of "O.K.", of course.

Do you really think London will be allowed to fail?
Who's going to step in and save it?

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Quite sad to see the voting by age figures. The young voting quite heavily for Remain, and older people for Leave. The young being sacrificed?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

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Originally posted by opaWim:
London will no longer be one of the major financial centers in the world.
In the end it all depends on the definition of "O.K.", of course.

Do you really think London will be allowed to fail?

It could depend on what big businesses or financial institutions see as the future of the EU. If they feel that the EU is likely to crumble away within, say, 10 years, they might think it's better to have a head start in a fairly stable country, rather than heading to France or Germany where they could be facing another referendum, or the collapse of a government, in due course.

Well, of course the EU minus Great-Britain might crumble as a result of the Brexit. I wouldn't count on it though. But if it does, who would still need London as a major financial center?
In that scenario London as a financial center would inevitably downsize to more provincial proportions.

And then again, it is not a matter of allowing London to fail. The question will be if it useful/profitable to keep it up. If the customers stay away, what's the use of maintaining the institutions that used to service these customers?

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Quite sad to see the voting by age figures. The young voting quite heavily for Remain, and older people for Leave. The young being sacrificed?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

Twitter is full of Gen X and Millennial rage about this today.

Mind you, Twitter is generally full of Gen X and Millennial rage every day. [Biased]

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Originally posted by North East Quine:
Trump has tweeted that the place (Scotland) is going wild over the (Brexit) vote.

The mariachi band isn't celebrating Brexit, Donald!

WHERE IN SCOTLAND DID THEY FIND A MARIACHI BAND?

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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Quite sad to see the voting by age figures. The young voting quite heavily for Remain, and older people for Leave. The young being sacrificed?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

Or, as this twitpic put it "those who must live with the result of the EU referendum the longest want to remain".

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Meanwhile one of our national embarrassments has reported that the UK have voted to leave the United Nations.

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Originally posted by opaWim:
We will most likely sustain substantially less damage than the U.K. itself.

I'm really not so sure. Right now the FTSE is down 3 point something percent, and the CAC40 down by over 8. Plus the risk of contagion.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Meanwhile one of our national embarrassments has reported that the UK have voted to leave the United Nations.

Oh, for fuck's sake

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Quite sad to see the voting by age figures. The young voting quite heavily for Remain, and older people for Leave. The young being sacrificed?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

Or, as this twitpic put it "those who must live with the result of the EU referendum the longest want to remain".
Single biggest argument against the NHS. Damn old people

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I've seen two news clips today of people who voted Leave, but who today are saying basically that it was a protest vote, they didn't expect Leave to win, and they're regretting it. [brick wall]

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
Cornwall is seeking reassurance that it will still receive EU grants (or equivalent subsidies from the UK, the article isn't entirely clear).

The other fact was that Cornwall voted 57/43 in favor of "Leave".

This ties in with what I posted here months ago about people simply not realising what the EU contributes financially to the UK (or should I say contributed?).

I have worked on an EU INTERREG project in which Cornwall was a participating region. The EU provided match funding (eg to match funding from local government or UK lottery money) for tourism-related infrastructure projects. That project is over now; I assume any ongoing projects will receive promised funding through to the end of the project, but the tap will undoubtedly be turned off after that.

I also find myself wondering about my interpreter colleagues in Brussels with only British nationality. They and many others working for EU institutions will doubtless be out of a job soon, by virtue of their nationality. Interpreters who are Irish nationals, however, will be having a field day, and I would think now would be a good time to invest in real estate suitable for financial services companies to lease in Dublin.

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quote:
Originally posted by Al Eluia:
quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
Trump has tweeted that the place (Scotland) is going wild over the (Brexit) vote.

The mariachi band isn't celebrating Brexit, Donald!

WHERE IN SCOTLAND DID THEY FIND A MARIACHI BAND?
I gather an appeal for Mexican musicians was put out on social media, and got a good response!
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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
I've seen two news clips today of people who voted Leave, but who today are saying basically that it was a protest vote, they didn't expect Leave to win, and they're regretting it. [brick wall]

That's why we have a two-round presidential election in France. The idea is to get rid of all the spleen in the first round before getting round to the serious business of actually electing a president.

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