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Thread: Dead Horses: The Pilling Report
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Amos
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I had lunch recently with someone who was involved in the making of Pilling. Apparently (though you hardly need inside information for this), they bent over backwards to keep the Bishop of Birkenhead on board, thus producing a report very few of them were happy with--and, of course, the Bp of Birkenhead would have nothing to do with it in the end anyway.
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L'organist
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If a child behaved in the way the Bishop of Birkenhead did over Pilling the description would be applied of dog-in-the-manger: shame no one felt able to send him to his room to think about his churlishness...
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Amos
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I gather (and I don't want to give away the identity of my source) that the Bishop was one of the more personable participants, which made others keener to oblige him.
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Starlight
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One area I felt the Church of Wales' report was a little light on was its dealing with the harm caused to gay people by discrimination. While it said they listened in person to some gay people's experiences, and it said some nice caring things in a vague and general way in its pastoral section, I fault it for omitting all concrete discussion of the actual harms caused by discrimination from its science section. Major scientific organisations in the UK and US have testified about the serious harms that gay people suffer by having their right to marriage denied. The fact that suffering serious and ongoing discrimination drives many gay people to suicide is something that the church needs to own up to and admit fault for. I think an honest discussion of that needs to be a part of any discussion about whether the church should discriminate against gay people in future. All too often discussions I see the Church undertake on this issue implicitly imply that the harms caused by discrimination amount to a few gay people having their feelings hurt slightly, and thus that the harms are insignificant. And so I would have liked to see some science included about the negative effects that discrimination has, and the serious harms that it has on those who experience it.
On a theological note, I would remind the writers of the report that in the creation account in Genesis 1-3, Adam looks for a mate but none of the animals are found to be suitable because they are not similar enough. So God makes Eve out of Adam's rib (essentially growing a clone, if you will) and her validity as a mate for Adam is then endorsed based on the fact of her similarity. According to that criteria, expressed in this text, same-sex partners would be even more valid than opposite sex partners.
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leo
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quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
I had lunch recently with someone who was involved in the making of Pilling. Apparently (though you hardly need inside information for this), they bent over backwards to keep the Bishop of Birkenhead on board, thus producing a report very few of them were happy with--and, of course, the Bp of Birkenhead would have nothing to do with it in the end anyway.
So I wish they had the courage to dump him and say what they wanted top say.
I have seen some correspondence between Birkenhead and a theologically educated and articulate gay men - Birkenhead showed considerable ignorance and was unable to respond to any questions outside the usual stuff - bit like Jehovah's Witnesses who have all the patter when they are on familiar ground but who unable to think/talk outside the box.
However, he comes across as a compassionate and nice man - it would be so much easier for me to dismiss him as a biggotted thug.
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Robert Armin
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Thank you leo - that's jolly useful.
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