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Moo
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
But how would it benefit Job's wife, or Job himself, if Job were to die, having made an enemy of God? Job's wife may have been trying to help, but the text clearly finds her help unhelpful!
My point is that I don't think she was trying to help. She was feeling too much pain of her own. Remember, she had lost ALL of her children. I think her words were the equivalent of, "Let's throw in the sponge!"
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Kelly Alves
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Yeah, I think Job's wife was expressing despair.
I do think there is some merit to the idea that part of the moral of this story is watch your damn mouth when you are talking to someone else about their suffering. God seems pretty pissed at Job's friends at the end of it all.
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Moo
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It would be very interesting if we had a parallel narrative of how the friends of Job's wife behaved.
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greenhouse
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Can a study of 'bad mothers' really be 'light-hearted'? I don't know if I'd appreciate listening to a sermon like that. What message do you want the congregation to take away from the service?
Just to pick up on this, and a couple of the following points. Its a low church service with a wide range of ages, so won't be going into too much depth or study.
The sermon will look at some of the mothers of the Bible - with all their imperfections, flaws and humanity - and also consider how God used them and they were part of his amazing story. This will link into how we too can feel unworthy, imperfect etc, but God is with us, can use us if we let him and makes us part of that same story. (Admittedly this isn't specific to mothers, but it can be applied to motherhood as well as life in general).
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Moo:
It would be very interesting if we had a parallel narrative of how the friends of Job's wife behaved.
Moo
"Quit nagging him and paddle your own damn canoe, ya harpy! Did you help him fix his shack? No, didn't think so! Give him a little unguent? No, didn't think so! Instead you just stand there and unhinge your jaw and put a further affliction on his ears! Who died and made you Samuel?
My love to his missus.
And don't think that just because you are giving counsel to the needy you can leave the damn seat up, Wise Man. "
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SvitlanaV2
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Originally posted by greenhouse:
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Can a study of 'bad mothers' really be 'light-hearted'? I don't know if I'd appreciate listening to a sermon like that. What message do you want the congregation to take away from the service?
Just to pick up on this, and a couple of the following points. Its a low church service with a wide range of ages, so won't be going into too much depth or study.
The sermon will look at some of the mothers of the Bible - with all their imperfections, flaws and humanity - and also consider how God used them and they were part of his amazing story. This will link into how we too can feel unworthy, imperfect etc, but God is with us, can use us if we let him and makes us part of that same story. (Admittedly this isn't specific to mothers, but it can be applied to motherhood as well as life in general).
Thank you for that. I thought you were planning to make light of some serious situations, which wouldn't be a good idea. I'm not sure if the mothers in the congregation would appreciate that approach (especially if it's coming from a man). I'm neither a preacher nor a mother, but I suspect it's a topic that might require a certain sensitivity. There may be people in the congregation who've had bad experiences with their own mothers, and that should be born in mind.
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venbede
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I think greenhouse is aware of our concerns, svit, from what he says. (Although thank you for spelling them out.) It sounds as though he will be far different from the sentimental platitudes that so many are going to trot out.
You can probably tell that it's not my scene, greenhouse, but all the very best.
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leo
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Originally posted by greenhouse:
Hannah leaving the temple to care for him,
She's had some bad press in this thread. We had a sermon about her this morning (the story being one of the alternative readings for Mothering Sunday) and she was held up as an example of how mothers had to let their children go in order that they might fulfil their destiny.
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Kelly Alves
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I had to reread the thread to make sure, but I find that one question about Hanna's motives lead to a flood of extraordinarily positive comments about her. If one comment constitutes a "bad rap", I feel we've more than made up for it.
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venbede
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Greenhouse -
I hope all went well.
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Spiffy
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I had to reread the thread to make sure, but I find that one question about Hanna's motives lead to a flood of extraordinarily positive comments about her. If one comment constitutes a "bad rap", I feel we've more than made up for it.
Hey, I did state after all the comments that I had not seen it from the POV of a woman who really, REALLY wanted a child!
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Kelly Alves
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No worries, Spif, I just thought referring to that one little comment as a bad rap was overkill. I sense we are on the same page.
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Anselmina
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Originally posted by Moo:
It would be very interesting if we had a parallel narrative of how the friends of Job's wife behaved.
Moo
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Lamb Chopped
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And then they would have gone on to tell similar stories about the similar experiences of everybody they had ever met or dreamed of.
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