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Pangolin Guerre wrote:
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Actually, I was referring to an essay (not mine), in regard to suppressing the truth, and noted that I thought that the explanation, while having a certain intuitive appeal, had less purchase in more open societies, leaving 9/11 conspiracy theories unexplained by that model. I'd agree that it might be explained *in part* by its opposite, i.e., surfeit of information, but with sketchy context. In a rock/paper/scissors (lizard/Spock), data swamps information, information drowns knowledge, knowledge dances on wisdom's grave. (Not certain what wisdom does.... Goes to the cottage?)
Fair comment. I was really only using the quote to point out that these theories can arise in both situations of both suppressed and copious information, but in doing so barely did justice to your more complex point.

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Stetson - As to artistic representations of Christians being guillotined by the Anti-Christ, (stretching a bit here) , predating your film reference would be Dialogue of the Carmelites.
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There are lots of great/wacky theories about hidden meanings in The Shining, four of which are explored in some detail in the film Room 237, which I really recommend.

However the best and wackiest theory since that film is the theory that the Disney film Frozen is a reworking of The Shining.

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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
People have always relished good stories that explain what everyone knows the government has been trying to hide from us.

Like traffic signals are deliberately timed to impede, not facilitate, the flow of traffic because everyone knows that governmental bureaucrats get their jollies by sticking it to the people.

That is not a conspiracy theory. The A62 between Huddersfield and Leeds had their signals changed so that when there was no traffic, such as at silly o'clock in the morning the resting position of the lights would be red to the major roads.

If you approached at a reasonable speed they would change without impeding you. If you used the road as a drag strip the lights would be against you.

This is called traffic calming, and has made the road safer.

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In railway circles the same thing is called "approach control" - it slows the train down before finally allowing it to crawl into the platform.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that, the more the experts say "That's bonkers" and advance other explanations, the more people believe that they are having the wool being pulled over their eyes. Loony explanations by the uninformed are preferred to the reasoned arguments of those who know what they are talking about.

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That abominable piece-work typist - he can't be called a writer - Dan Brown, deserves a mention on this thread. After ploughing through his boring and crapulous Foucault's Pendulum some years ago, with its wall to wall conspiracies, he put me off the pleasures of conspiracy theories for life. Anyway, with Donald Fart going to Washington, who needs them any more?

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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
People have always relished good stories that explain what everyone knows the government has been trying to hide from us.

Like traffic signals are deliberately timed to impede, not facilitate, the flow of traffic because everyone knows that governmental bureaucrats get their jollies by sticking it to the people.

That is not a conspiracy theory. The A62 between Huddersfield and Leeds had their signals changed so that when there was no traffic, such as at silly o'clock in the morning the resting position of the lights would be red to the major roads.

If you approached at a reasonable speed they would change without impeding you. If you used the road as a drag strip the lights would be against you.

This is called traffic calming, and has made the road safer.

Not that you heard this from me but if you flash your full beams at them as you approach you can wing it through, ex-emergency services knowledge but be ready with that middle peddle kiddies

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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
That abominable piece-work typist - he can't be called a writer - Dan Brown, deserves a mention on this thread. After ploughing through his boring and crapulous Foucault's Pendulum some years ago, with its wall to wall conspiracies, he put me off the pleasures of conspiracy theories for life. Anyway, with Donald Fart going to Washington, who needs them any more?

I think you've got either the name of the writer or the name of the novel wrong there.

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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
Stetson - As to artistic representations of Christians being guillotined by the Anti-Christ, (stretching a bit here) , predating your film reference would be Dialogue of the Carmelites.

Well, I haven't had time to watch that opera, but assuming you've seen it, you can compare the beheadings there tothis one from an early 80s end-time flick.

Other portrayals of the guillotine in that genre tend to show portable units, on the back of trucks(see the Chick illustration above). But those filmmakers went for a stationary one.

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Originally posted by Stetson:
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
That abominable piece-work typist - he can't be called a writer - Dan Brown, deserves a mention on this thread. After ploughing through his boring and crapulous Foucault's Pendulum some years ago, with its wall to wall conspiracies, he put me off the pleasures of conspiracy theories for life. Anyway, with Donald Fart going to Washington, who needs them any more?

I think you've got either the name of the writer or the name of the novel wrong there.
Good grief. It's worse than I thought. Of course you are right, it was Umberto Eco. How on earth did I manage that? Too much caffeine today.

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I rather thought 'Foucault's Pendulum' was a take-off of conspiracy theory based fiction.
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I rather thought 'Foucault's Pendulum' was a take-off of conspiracy theory based fiction.

Maybe you've proved the point with that one, and I took the thing too seriously. But it was a terrible dragged out bore of a book, and I've since learned that it's OK to leave a book unfinished - the book gods will not smite you for it.

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I think one of my nieces was going to read it, and I advised her to read Dan Brown first. Don't know if she did.
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...whereas I found Foucault's Pendulum so deeply depressing and disturbing that I was going to take a break from reading *anything*, after I finished reading. However, I was on a waiting list for Da Vinci Code, and it was finally my turn. So I reluctantly went ahead and read DVC--and it turned out to be exactly what I needed to recuperate and get the bad taste of FP out of my mind.

Some things to keep in mind about Dan Brown and DVC:

--He wasn't trying to write great literature. He read an airport novel--something that's designed to keep you occupied during travel and waiting--and decided he could write something at least as good, if not better.

--People who weren't familiar with the ideas in the book went off the deep end. Some were enraged. Others, entranced. One reviewer said Brown's "research is impeccable"! [Ultra confused] I knew the general outlines of most of the ideas; but it didn't take any great research on DB's part.

--DB identifies as Christian.

--The original hardcover jacket for DVC was encoded. IIRC, there were clues on DB's site, and in the book. That was lots of fun!


I'd thought of mentioning FP, but hesitated for fear of putting someone else through the horrible experience I had. I will say that, if you choose to read FP, read it in small doses, take breaks, and don't take the book too seriously. Put it aside for a while, as need be.

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DB's research about libraries and London communications was somewhat peccable.
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DB's research about libraries and London communications was somewhat peccable.

*chortle*

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Foucault's Pendulum for me took out the very bad taste of Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow

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{Adds "Gravity's Rainbow" to list of "Books to probably avoid".}

[ 09. January 2017, 06:46: Message edited by: Golden Key ]

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quote:
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DB's research about libraries and London communications was somewhat peccable.

As someone who was actually studying at King's College London at the time, I found his description of the theology department risible.

I do have a copy of DVC - it's just the right thickness for holding up our bed where a little foot has fallen off!

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Have a contact in that area - hence my remark.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
I rather thought 'Foucault's Pendulum' was a take-off of conspiracy theory based fiction.

Maybe you've proved the point with that one, and I took the thing too seriously. But it was a terrible dragged out bore of a book, and I've since learned that it's OK to leave a book unfinished - the book gods will not smite you for it.
It's just Uncle Umberto enjoying himself. You have to be in the right frame of mind for it, that's all.

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Here's one to get your teeth around. There's a story broken out in the last day or so about a waitress who received a note saying "don't tip black people". Link to the article.

Over on the book of face, a friend of a friend has stated:
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Why does this smell so fishy to me? Why does the bill say 0.00? Are we sure she didn't just print out a null receipt and write it herself for attention? Not the first time a false flag racism report has happened.
Then someone has posted a link to this. I know the BBC isn't perfect, but it seems highly unlikely that they'd be duped by a false flag. Yet the idea that it might be a false flag is not wholly discounted, and therefore nags at the back of the mind.

IMHO, it is these seeds of doubt that the likes of Breitbart are so expert at sowing. It bugs the hell out of me.

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There is at least one other such alleged incident.
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Quoting from that link: "The couple — who were caught writing the message on a security camera — have now been banned from the restaurant. . . ."

Just think -- they even defaced the camera on their way out! (Sorry, I bristle when I see misplaced modifiers.)

The most amazing thing about these incidents is that the people (at least in the latter instance) paid with credit cards, so their credit card numbers are easily visible, and thus their names are easily discoverable even if their signatures are illegible.

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Sorry, I bristle when I see misplaced modifiers.

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I am trying to learn not to be surprised at the innate stupidity of people. But every day there's a new mountain to climb.

I prefer to think of it as a new pile of sh*t to step over.

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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
That is not a conspiracy theory. The A62 between Huddersfield and Leeds had their signals changed so that when there was no traffic, such as at silly o'clock in the morning the resting position of the lights would be red to the major roads.

If you approached at a reasonable speed they would change without impeding you. If you used the road as a drag strip the lights would be against you.

This is called traffic calming, and has made the road safer.

Of course, that assumes that drag racers pay any attention to the lights....

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