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BroJames
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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
There is an entry in our church records in 1720 which reads "Payment to smith for mending the bell rackle" (or it might be raickle).

What is a bell rackle / raickle?

We don't know exactly when our bell was made, but other bells by the same maker are dated between 1713 and 1717. There is an entry in the records in 1713 recording a payment to the smith for mending the bell tow, which I assume was the bell rope.

Collins English Dictionary describes 'rackle' as an archaic Scottish term for a chain, and the Dictionary of the Scots Language confirms your thought about the bell tow.
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Thank you!

I wonder if the bell chain was being mended in order to hang the new bell? The surviving accounts are for small items, large expenses such as the bell itself must have been recorded separately, through a different account.

The bell still exists, but is no longer rung.

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St. Ninian's Priory still ring theirs on a Sunday morning, though I suspect it is newer than yours.

I think one of the example texts in the second dictionary I looked up talked about the bell being overused and the tackle and tow needing to be fixed.

[ 07. September 2017, 13:14: Message edited by: BroJames ]

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We broadcast a recording of a bell ringing, which can be heard for several hundred yards. I think most people assume the bell itself is ringing.

We also have a second, much smaller bell, more of a large handbell size, which is known as "the funeral bell" although I've no idea when it was last rung at a funeral, or indeed when it was last rung at all. I also have no idea how old it is, whether it predates the main bell, etc.

Perhaps as I trawl through the records I'll find out more.

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I hope I haven't asked this before. If so, apologies etc.

When we were leaving the hospital in Fife with our newborn daughter, many years ago, the nurse asked us which door we had entered by when my wife was in labour, and made sure we left by a different one. I've asked many people if they had heard of this superstition, and no-one ever has. Anyone here know the reason for it? Was it just a local custom?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
Another question ... we are now in LA and want to see the Queen Mary. We don't drive, but we thought it looked possible to get to Long Beach by metro. But I can't see where we go from there. Is there a bus, or do we need to get a taxi?

Well, rats! I wish I'd seen this. I live in Long Beach and work downtown, and I could have helped with this. Did you get down here to see the QM?
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quote:
Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
I hope I haven't asked this before. If so, apologies etc.

When we were leaving the hospital in Fife with our newborn daughter, many years ago, the nurse asked us which door we had entered by when my wife was in labour, and made sure we left by a different one. I've asked many people if they had heard of this superstition, and no-one ever has. Anyone here know the reason for it? Was it just a local custom?

A distant bell is ringing at the back of my mind but details aren't clear.
It was something about it was okay to go out by a different/same door if you had sat down in the house.
I hope someone can supply the correct details!

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Hmmm, my mother still reminds us to go back out the same door we entered in. I'm not sure where that superstition comes from, but I'll ask tomorrow. There seem to be different versions of the same idea.

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I found info about door folklore/superstitions at "The Psychic Well". Maybe 20-25 items.

Some of the in/out stuff evidently has to do with which door is reserved for taking out the dead.

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I've heard of old Dutch/Afrikaner settler homesteads where two doors were created at the front of the house, one for the exclusive use of those taking out the coffin of any householder who died.

It sounds extremely impractical.

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Re doors:

There was a TV series called "The Incredible Journey Of Dr. Meg Laurel", starring Lindsey Wagner as an Appalachian woman who went back home to bring them modern medicine.

At one point, the local healer (?) said "Birth and death should never be in the same house". So deceased person had to be removed before a baby could come in. IMHO, that could have a medical basis, if the person died of anything infectious.

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
Another question ... we are now in LA and want to see the Queen Mary. We don't drive, but we thought it looked possible to get to Long Beach by metro. But I can't see where we go from there. Is there a bus, or do we need to get a taxi?

Well, rats! I wish I'd seen this. I live in Long Beach and work downtown, and I could have helped with this. Did you get down here to see the QM?
Yes we did thanks. We got the Metro to Long Beach and then the free Passport bus to the QM. She was gorgeous!

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
I found info about door folklore/superstitions at "The Psychic Well". Maybe 20-25 items.

Some of the in/out stuff evidently has to do with which door is reserved for taking out the dead.

Some good stories on that website - thank you. I am wondering if the young nurse in Dunfermline was confusing her superstitions, though. The idea of not leaving by the same door as a corpse is understandable, but surely not in a hospital where these things are done a bit more discreetly.

Sort of on the topic, we had a talk at the church by an undertaker who explained that many older houses have double front doors so a coffin can be carried out in a dignified manner. For a while it was the fashion in some bigger new houses, but the owners probably had no idea of the origin.

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Does anyone know why different parts of the world have different electric plugs? As a Brit I'm used to 3 square pins, and have to take an adaptor with me when I travel abroad (as I'm about to). Many countries have only two round pins, which looks unsafe to me, yet presumably work well. Why is there this variety?

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While I'm unable to provide an explanation of the variation of plugs and sockets right now, while-u-wait, here's an overview of all the types there are. Interesting that some combine, and some combine unsafely! [Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Does anyone know why different parts of the world have different electric plugs? As a Brit I'm used to 3 square pins, and have to take an adaptor with me when I travel abroad (as I'm about to). Many countries have only two round pins, which looks unsafe to me, yet presumably work well. Why is there this variety?

I suspect it's simply due to the electrical systems of the world developing separately and many countries following the lead of their colonial masters. To take an analogous parallel, the railway gauges of Britain, Ireland, Spain and Russia (to mention only Europe) are different although the British lead in construction meant that "standard" gauge became widely used. (And don't even mention Australia!)

The British system was a deliberate attempt in the 1940s to create a new, safe and universal system. In particular it included shuttered sockets (so you couldn't electrocute yourself by poking anything into the holes) and fused plugs. An omission was shielded pins which meant that something dropped behind a half-inserted plug could become live - this has now been rectified. A major drawback is the large size of the plugs.

The "Continental" system provides fewer safety features although earthed sockets are available for larger appliances. Of course many appliances today are double-insulated and don't need earthing although that was less common 50 years ago. In this case the British earthing pin is a dummy, serving merely to open the shutter mechanism for the other two pins.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
I found info about door folklore/superstitions at "The Psychic Well". Maybe 20-25 items.

Some of the in/out stuff evidently has to do with which door is reserved for taking out the dead.

Some good stories on that website - thank you. I am wondering if the young nurse in Dunfermline was confusing her superstitions, though. The idea of not leaving by the same door as a corpse is understandable, but surely not in a hospital where these things are done a bit more discreetly.

Sort of on the topic, we had a talk at the church by an undertaker who explained that many older houses have double front doors so a coffin can be carried out in a dignified manner. For a while it was the fashion in some bigger new houses, but the owners probably had no idea of the origin.

Looking through that and other sites, the folklore varied. (By location or culture, I presume.) But I wonder if "take a newborn in one door and out the other" is a symbolic way of not reversing what happened--i.e. the baby's birth?

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Robert Armin

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Thanks for the info, Wesley and BT. Funnily enough, Wesley's webpage says three round pins are universal in India, where previous searching had told me 2! Ah well, they must be on sale in the airport, surely?

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Can anyone recommend a decent mp3 player that isn't an iPod, please? I'd be using it mainly to listen to podcasts/spoken word rather than music. I currently have a Creative Zen, which is fine for what I need, but it is getting a bit old and creaky now (I got it 10 years ago, and I've not paid any attention to what else is out there since getting it). Many thanks.

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I collect ephemera connected to my village - postcards, maps, communion tokens, anything really. I have a search set up on Ebay which notifies me if anything relating to (village name) comes up.

About 6 weeks ago, my notifications started to include everything being sold by a second-hand bookseller in Germany. Most days, this seller is listing 5-10 items, but more go on at weekends. Today, this bookseller posted 59 books for sale; I have to scroll through the list of notifications to see if all 59 are second-hand German books, or if there are some e.g. relevent postcards amongst them.

I can't figure out a way of filtering out the irrelevent items.

Any suggestions?

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Is there a way to figure out why it's tripping your search parameters? I'm thinking the German guy has a single mis-spelled word.
The other idea is to see if you can filter the search by country, or postage, or something. If you could limit it only to your country, that would fix the German vendor.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
Can anyone recommend a decent mp3 player that isn't an iPod, please? I'd be using it mainly to listen to podcasts/spoken word rather than music. I currently have a Creative Zen, which is fine for what I need, but it is getting a bit old and creaky now (I got it 10 years ago, and I've not paid any attention to what else is out there since getting it). Many thanks.

Wow, so many people use their mobiles as their players these days, I wasn't sure there was much else out there other than audiophile brands.
A quick search finds these companies with good reviews.
AGPtek
SanDisk
Sony
FiiO
Sony and FiiO have reasonably prices units and some less so.
FiiO is one of the players in the audiophile portable music market. Their earlier earlier versions, still on the market, are decent for a reasonable cost.
There is also Pono Player in that market, minus the reasonable cost.
The expensive units are not worth the cost unless one has something better than an MP3 and high end headphones with which to listen and listens to types of music where it matters. And probably not even then.

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NEQ--

Maybe do a page search (ctrl z) for "buch"? That's German for "book". Might also be "buecher" (or u with the two "umlaut" dots above it, rather than ue). IIRC, that's "books".

Good luck! [Smile]

ETA: Reading through your original post, I may have misunderstood it. I thought you were having to work with listings in German.

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A few days ago I finally succumbed and let my desktop upgrade itself. The result wasn't as bad as I feared, in that almost nothing has changed. The only thing I can notice is very minor, but it is annoying me. My screensaver used to be a phrase of my choosing in an attractive font; now it says "Windows 10" in something dull and san serif, and I can't see any way of changing it. Can any of you wizards out there advise me?

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You can add a negative term to an Ebay search using "-" eg "-fool". Items with "fool" in their description will not be included in the search results. You could try this using the bookseller's name.

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I wonder if as part of his output he may have the words “buch” and “an” either with a space missing, or with some other separator which the search algorithm ignores. Assuming your village is in Buchan that could throw up the error. If “Buchan” is what is triggering the notifications, and you can find it in his listings (it sounds as if it might be a text common to many of his listings), and it is in fact an error, then an email to him might get it changed. If it’s not an error or you can’t get it changed, I’m not sure what the next step might be.
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Bishop's Finger - try the instructions here for setting a screen saver.

(And having found this and checked it I now need to work out how to reset the settings I've unset)

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Many thanks CK - that did the trick!

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If someone was sentenced to seven years penal servitude in 1908, would they have served the full seven years, or was there a "time off for good behaviour" scheme, or parole?
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Did you find a solution? If not you need to use eBay's advanced search. One option allows you to exclude specified sellers. That should do the trick.

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I can't figure out a way of filtering out the irrelevent items.

Any suggestions?



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quote:
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If someone was sentenced to seven years penal servitude in 1908, would they have served the full seven years, or was there a "time off for good behaviour" scheme, or parole?

Where are you talking about?

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My 9 yo niece wants a book on horses.

Pictures AND words apparently. She does ask for a lot. [Biased]

Can anyone recommend a good horse book for a 9 year old? Of course Uncle Ian may get in trouble from the parents for feeding this obsession!

edit: Thanks!

[ 16. November 2017, 04:59: Message edited by: Ian Climacus ]

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Ian--

Fiction? Non-fiction?

If fiction, maybe "Black Beauty". I think the author is Anna Sewell. A classic horse book.

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Misty of Chincoteague, by Marguerite Henry. Famously illustrated by Wesley Davis. There are many other similar books by the same team, Born to Run, King of the Wind, etc.

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As a horse crazy girl, I was given Album of Horses when I was nine or ten years old. Another winner by Marguerite Henry (Author) and ‎ Wesley Dennis (Illustrator).

I still have and treasure that book! [Axe murder]

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Given where in the world you are and if you want fiction then Silver Brumby. I am not sure whether they have pictures.

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Ian Climacus

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Thank you all; they are great suggestions!

GK: sorry for not specifying; I think she'd be happy with both.

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Originally posted by Jengie jon:
Given where in the world you are and if you want fiction then Silver Brumby. I am not sure whether they have pictures.

Jengie

Silver Brumby: Yes and yes and yes! My favourite for years and years.

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Ian Climacus

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Thank you too, Sparrow. Despite as Jengie Jon writing on my location, I must say I had never heard of it...

Looks like I can choose from a wide selection.

[ 17. November 2017, 07:09: Message edited by: Ian Climacus ]

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Ian, How about Good Luck to the Rider by Joan Phipson. It is quite old and I can reme ber hearing it on ABC years ago. Will send you PM with names of places I have found old books.

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Originally posted by North East Quine:
If someone was sentenced to seven years penal servitude in 1908, would they have served the full seven years, or was there a "time off for good behaviour" scheme, or parole?

I'm assuming you're thinking about Scotland.

A bit of Googling is somewhat inconclusive since all the terms hit on modern issues as well. AFAICT time off for good behaviour was possible at that time, though I haven't identified whether the sentence finished early, or whether there was a scheme of release on licence.

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Jengie jon

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Not sure this will help, wrong end of the country for starters but Old Bailey Online does follow sentence people for quite some time.

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A query, just out of intrigue.

The other day, I got addressed by a tram collector as 'Sah' which I assume is a pronunciation of 'Sir'. It intrigued me enough to listen as he went further down the tram. He was addressing everyone as 'Sah' regardless of gender. I wonder if this is because he feels uncomfortable using 'ma'am' and therefore developed a gender-neutral form.

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Let me be clear tram conductors are not usually the most socially progressive of people and 'duck', 'hen' and 'sugar' are far more usual forms of address by them.

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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Thank you too, Sparrow. Despite as Jengie Jon writing on my location, I must say I had never heard of it...

Looks like I can choose from a wide selection.

I should perhaps add that it might be a bit too much for a nine year old. It is a story about wild horses, and though the horses talk to each other it is fairly realistically grim in some parts. Horses die, fight and kill each other. My Little Pony it is not!

There was a TV series a few years ago that really messed it up, Disnified it and made it really (small) child friendly. But nothing at all like the book!

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Ian Climacus

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Thanks Sparrow & Lothlorien for the follow-ups. I'm know I'm her uncle, but she is reasonably mature (for 9) - I think the only time I've seen her run is the rat scene in The Princess Bride! [Smile]
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I cannot remember when I read Black Beauty but know I was in primary school. It has some cruelty to horses depicted and some sad passages. It was very old when I read it first and spoke of a time years gone by. Hard to imagine in these days of fast cars. I am not complaining of that . Books are a great way to learn of the past.

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I read Black Beauty as a third-grader, about age 8. I remember sobbing my heart out at some of the scenes, to the point where my family was somewhat concerned at the intensity of my response. But this was at a time when television was a recent addition to the home scene, and I (and children in general) were exposed to far less violence, etc.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
My 9 yo niece wants a book on horses.

Pictures AND words apparently. She does ask for a lot. [Biased]

Well, there's this one.
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Ian Climacus

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[Killing me]

I'm very tempted. Just to see her face...

Ohher: I reread the plot and wondered at some scenes. Hard for me to tell how she would react.

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IIRC Black Beauty was written in the 1880s. I loved it as a child, but as an adult I came to realize that there is far more sympathy for animals than for human beings.

The boy who throws stones at the horses is slapped and called wicked, although many children unthinkingly throw stones at animals. They need to be stopped, but they also need to be told why this is wrong. There is understanding for a horse that misbehaves, but not a child.

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