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simontoad
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If you use Google Chrome you can block those annoying pop-ups.

Boom-tish.

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Actually, no, since it was an internal brain link - should have been clearer.
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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Given the rumours floating around, I'm going for the first Doctor in the Vault.

Nah. I'm going for the next Doctor in the Vault.

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Who was the girl in the astronaut suit?
In the Impossible Astronaut, River, Amy and Rory see someone in a space suit kill the Doctor. Later on in the story they meet the Doctor from earlier in his timeline.
In a later story, they find someone in a space suit whom Amy shoots. They then discover she is a little girl. She survives and escapes the suit, River pointing out how strong she is to tear herself out of it.
At the end of the episode we see the little girl begin to regenerate.

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Robert Armin

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I thought that might be the incident. But, in describing that farrago of nonsense, the last word I would have used is "obvious".

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Since the piano-playing thing last week, there's now a small but vocal fraction of fandom who are rooting for it to be Liberace in the vault.

Now that's scary.

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I think it will be the Master in the vault. We know he disappeared with the Time Lords in the knock four times episode, but after that we don't know anything about the male master and when he regenerated into Missy. As Missy was in the trailer for next weeks episode there would have to be some really wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff going on.

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OK - the Doctor meet the Matrix. Interesting.

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Penny S
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Half way through. Dan Brown?
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Did I miss the reason that Missy was due to be executed?

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
OK - the Doctor meet the Matrix. Interesting.

Oh, that Matrix

Thought on the whole it was relatively sympathetic to the organization. There were a few odd bits that could have been fixed easily (comments of age of document, no consideration of diabolical intervention). But no worse than the technological 'whats!'

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I think this was the best episode of the series so far, and now we do know who is in the vault!

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quote:
Originally posted by tessaB:
Did I miss the reason that Missy was due to be executed?

No. that wasn't made clear. Yet.

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Surely The Master/Missy has been scheduled for execution half a hundred times. Another one is par for the course, even if this time the executioners understand a bit more about how to actually kill a Time Lord. And a bit less about their chosen executioner.

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I found that very odd, and I didn't really like it.

I rewound and watched some of it again. And there was an early clue to what was going on... the problem being it was SO early that it wasn't helpful, in fact it feels as if it was deliberately designed to be forgotten by occurring before there was any useful reference point.

The other glaring problem is that the story only makes sense if some things have been happening EXACTLY, right up to the moment that Extremis starts.

[EDIT: Even bigger problem now that I think of it as I rewatch... how does the story even work whenever the Doctor isn't present?]

And what the heck happened to the Cardinal anyway? Why get rid of him?

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quote:
Originally posted by tessaB:
Did I miss the reason that Missy was due to be executed?

No reason was given. But she's the Master. We may presume that she tried to implement an overelaborate plan to take over the universe and it blew up in her face not before a lot of people died. (See: almost every appearance of the Master ever.)

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If we never learn what crime someone sentenced Missy to be executed for, does it matter? This is Missy, there is hardly a shortage of reasons.

Nardole turns up with a book which had been left in the Library. If he has been to the Library to get it, then he is badass.
But then the Doctor trusts him:
1) With the sonic screwdriver to keep Darleks off his back.
2) To make him keep his promise.
3) To make tea.
4) With the fact he is blind.
The Doctor tells him to walk ahead of Bill to protect her in case someone starts shooting at them and he does so.
River Song trusts him to look after the Doctor.

One thing I have difficulty swallowing with Extremis is the claim that everyone will react the same to something.
Admittedly the last translator does something different first - then reacts the same as everyone else and the Doctor does something completely differently.

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quote:
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If we never learn what crime someone sentenced Missy to be executed for, does it matter? This is Missy, there is hardly a shortage of reasons.
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One thing I have difficulty swallowing with Extremis is the claim that everyone will react the same to something.
Admittedly the last translator does something different first - then reacts the same as everyone else and the Doctor does something completely differently. [/QB]

It would be nice to have a reason, even (especially), if it's a noodle incident.

That's where I'd expect clerics to be even more skeptical and immune than the scientists. They already have the built in claims of an outside.

I could see a non-insignificant subset of scientists getting angsty,
But even then they have considered the possibility that there's only one electron (and even the non religious ones, have heard of religions).
The pseudo-scientific 'rationalistic atheists' did get in a confusion with a hypothetical computer that puts you in hell.

Though, having said it's unrealistic, it could, ironically make sense as part of a simulation. The simulated world without Einstein might be a bit different, but less so than him being a Simulationist (or a divide by zero error or whatever). So as a crude bug suppressant it may make sense (especially given the lousy quality of their rng generator).

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So let me get this straight. Alien invaders create a computer simulation to practice invading. And, within this simulation, there is a document called Veritas, that can be translated and reveal that everything is a simulation.

Why would the alien invaders have bothered to put such an item into the simulation? What benefit would it provide their invasion? Or are we to believe that somebody within the simulation, some time after it started, figured out it was a simulation and prepared Veritas...so that a bunch of religious types could then translate it and send it to scientists types? Because that seemed like a reasonable approach to take??? [Confused] [Confused] [Confused]

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quote:
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Or are we to believe that somebody within the simulation, some time after it started, figured out it was a simulation and prepared Veritas...so that a bunch of religious types could then translate it and send it to scientists types? Because that seemed like a reasonable approach to take??? [Confused] [Confused] [Confused]

I'm assuming it was written to keep things aware, rather than as part of a definite plan (but we might find out otherwise).
But that and the fact that despite having virtual hardware, it doesn't have a virtual network.

I suspect with setting up the date the simulated half of the story is going to be repeated, but different.

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And a little completely unwarranted speculation: So the monks in the simulation tended to open their mouths and words came out without the mouth actually moving to form them.

Creepy.

And interesting. That was a trademark of the original Mondasian Cybermen... who are slated to appear later this season. Interesting. Coincidence or connection?

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Robert Armin

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Am I the only Shipmate who was deeply confused by last night's episode? Even after watching it twice?

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quote:
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Am I the only Shipmate who was deeply confused by last night's episode? Even after watching it twice?

Depends on the confusion.

If big picture confused, I think probably a minority, and probably overthinking it.

There were two plots that were more or less independent (trying to avoid spoilers).

One, in flash back "the dr is committed to deal with the master and ... ... ..." he learns something about himself that relates to plot 2.

Two "the pope asks the dr to help with an ancient unbearable secret. He finds it out. 'Aliens are planning to invade and to prepare they have ... ... ...' . The ... Dr can't ..., but he can ... ... ... "
Coda, at the end the two threads are about to come together in the replay.

If confused about the consequences and connections, definitely not.

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I really enjoyed this episode, but want to watch it again before commenting further, except to say I loved the Pope's "It's bigger on the inside!" moment - in Italian!

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24, 837, 82, 54, 9

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Simon - I just evinced that trait the Doctor loves about our species.... I started looking for a pattern. And then I remembered the reference in the episode. Well done.
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