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mark_in_manchester

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I can't remember where the 'Rev' threads were, but maybe here is OK to talk about 'Broken' on BBC. I just caught up on episode 1 on i-player, and episode 2 is on tomorrow night I think.

So far it seems to be a northern, RC take on "Rev"'s London CofE thing, without jokes. And - IMHO - really compelling, believable and sympathetic.

I wanted to encourage yous to watch it, but not talk all over this thread in the OP; hopefully someone else has something to say about it.

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mark_in_manchester

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Perhaps I should have added a bit more. Here's a link to the BBC website and a page which describes the series and gives a short interview with Jimmy McGovern, the writer.

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I did see episode 1, and enjoyed it. I am not sure it is really "Rev", but it is a positive and realistic look at clergy life - and how it fits with the world.

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I think it's the 3rd episode tonight; I have recorded the first two episodes. Not watched any of them yet, but all reports say it's pretty good. The only reservation I've read about was from someone who didn't think people in trouble would gravitate towards the clergy in this day and age [Roll Eyes]

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Second episode. It has Sean Bean and Anna Friel, so it must be good.

I think within the Catholic community, there is still the sense of a community around the clergy and the church, so I don't find it too jarring from that perspective.

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I think within the Catholic community, there is still the sense of a community around the clergy and the church, so I don't find it too jarring from that perspective.

Yep, hence the eye-rolling. I suspect the reviewer in question meant "this is not in my immediate experience and therefore it can't be true".

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mark_in_manchester

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I'm not RC but our kids are in Catholic schools and we know the priest and the church well. As far as I can see the drama hasn't put a foot wrong yet (the bit I don't know anything about is confession - my wife is Irish RC and remembers it a bit different to the way it is on screen and maybe the way it is now in England). It's really, really compelling. I hope it doesn't go to shite.

I'm a bit wary of discussing it with my RC friends as Jimmy McGovern did 'Priest', which probably places him beyond the pale. And if I like it, as a prod, it might put them off.

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Thanks for alerting me to this programme. I have just now watched the first one and enjoyed it. I'm hoping there will be a lot of development of the priest character in the next few episodes. For a non-Catholic it's always interesting to see and hear liturgy which isn't familiar - I presume he's using the recently changed version of the eucharistic prayers e.g. "this is the chalice..." etc.
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Just finished episode 2. Sean Bean does do tortured individual very well (but it probably means that he will die at the end of series 1).

The main story line in Ep2 really brutal, really intense. And Bean did well, it is interesting to see his backstory.

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Ack, you're right. Two episodes it is. The first ep must have been postponed as it's Planet Earth II masquerading as Broken on my DVR.

Not watched it yet, but I really enjoyed 'Priest' so am looking forward to it.

My friend, a new Christian (Confirmed today!) has found it both engaging and instructive. I believe there was some mention of the ringing of bells at important moments in a Latin Mass.

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quote:
Originally posted by mark_in_manchester:
I'm a bit wary of discussing it with my RC friends as Jimmy McGovern did 'Priest', which probably places him beyond the pale.And if I like it, as a prod, it might put them off.

I have RC friends (including a priest) who thought that 'Priest' was excellent and true to life.

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mark_in_manchester

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I'm sure - it's just that my RC friends (yes, and the priest [Smile] ) take a strong traditional line on sexual dead horses, to the point that they join Mary and transubstantiation in the pile of things we don't talk about so as not to rupture our relationship. Hence my comment.

(Our elder's godmothers are married to each other, and also RC...obviously they feel differently, and also obviously they are not part of the same circle).

[ 08. June 2017, 18:24: Message edited by: mark_in_manchester ]

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The series has a very old fashioned feel to it - romantic notion of poverty, extended family etc. As for a character being called 'Christian'...

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I've had a lot of time for Jimmy McGovern since Cracker
For me his writings feel like they're from the hip and more often than not hitting the target.

Broken is slow paced by comparison and appears to be offering a more consolatory view to some of his previous takes on the RCC.
Having said that if it wasn't for Sean Bean playing the lead role I may have not stuck with it.

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I like slow. I really liked the TV version of Paul Whitehouse's 'Nurse', which was much funnier than 'Broken' but perhaps a little similar in presenting a blunt and compassionate (and in my experience / view very realistic) view of certain shit angles to our lives. It's a shame it got canned - it was easy to see why people wouldn't get it.

I liked episode 3 of broken. I suppose I thought it would be a bit much for a priest to get hit with all this in the same couple of weeks, but hey, maybe someone will cater for my 'slow' preferences one day and present a real-time dramatisation of a priest watching his congregation die off. Co-incidentally I'm also now having another go at 'the Brothers Karamazov'; more attempts to weave a drama around the intersection of life, religion and philosophical elephants.

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**Slight spoiler for first 2 episodes**

Do the police and CPS really bother themselves to prosecute individuals who delay reporting a death for 4 days in order to claim one week's or one month's worth of the deceased's pension? Surely that costs a shedload more than the fraudulently obtained pension payment. I vaguely recall hearing of a real-live case or two of folks being prosecuted for fraudulently claiming the pension of somebody who'd died, but I'm pretty sure in those cases the suspects had kept claiming for months or even years after the death. Doesn't seem to me to be in the public interest to pursue a prosecution in Christina's case. Those in charge of the country for the past 7 years have been utterly heartless ideologues intent on protecting the interests of the few at the expense of our society's most vulnerable - which makes me wonder if Christina would be prosecuted to make an example of her. Nevertheless, I'm still hoping there might be some poetic licence involved in that part of the storyline. (As there certainly was in Michael's courtroom speech. As an overworked frontline representative of 'social services', if I was contacted and told that granny had died and mum had not reported it for 4 days, I might have been a bit worried about the state of mum's mental and emotional health but it would not have come anywhere remotely near my thresholds for removing children from mum's care (said as somebody who's now been in this game long enough that I continually have a caseload of children who've been removed or are right on the brink of removal from parents' care, 'cos I'm experienced enough for it ...).)

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I'm not sure. I could imagine a low-level magistrates court sort of thing - isn't that what was depicted?

The DSS scenes looked realistic from what my friends in that position tell me - it would be odd if the writer had gone for this kind of dramatic realism but dropped a clanger around a procedure making up a major plot device.

(ETA - Zoey, I of course accept your view that the social worker angle is wonky, so my faith in the rest ought to be a little shaken [Smile] )

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A very moving scene in Ep5. Quite looking forward to the last episode even though we can guess what's coming.

Have to confess to not quite understanding how Broken meant to be funny. This from someone whose black sense of humour found a few chuckles in Cracker.
I suppose someone working as a catholic priest might Bean's depiction humorous in the same way a farmer might find The Archers funny.

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There were some great one-liners - I liked the bit where Bean's priest-mate mentions that giving up sugar in tea 'puts the Crucifixion into perspective'...

I'm not sure what's coming next, though I've seen the short write-up on the I player site.

I thought Ep. 5 dealt sensitively with the remaining tension in the RCC over certain dead horses. I'm sad to say it means I definitely won't be able to talk about the series with my RC friends, and that's a shame as Bean's character makes me proud to be a Christian and hopeful that those outside the church might understand something of his faith and the different directions in which he is pulled. There he is, lighting candles and talking about Jesus every episode, without neglecting heavy shit like clerical child abuse and those dead horses - it's remarkable.

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So many stereotypes - the priest as hero, the gay man as a mincing mnoher's boy and the black man as bigot.

I'll be glad when the series finishes.

But for the fame of the author, I don't think the BBC would have given it air time..

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Ouch. Later, Dude.

Unless you want to talk about it?

The gay guy reminded me of Crisp in the Naked Civil Servant. Are effeminate gay men somehow culturally passe / no longer acceptable as one possible public face of male homosexuality?

Have you never met a Caribbean guy who hates gays (I worship with several), or read anything about the life of homosexuals in that culture?

And did you never meet a priest you liked?

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Reminds me of the glamorisation of priests by the Additional Curates Society deputation sermons.

As if careres, nurses etc. don't also live sacrificial lives.

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I am just catching up with it. I think it deoes provide a good insight into communities. It uses the central character of a priest - in the confessions - to provide some real insight into the community, the real pains.

I loved the reality of the suicide, the decision made, and struggled with, the fact that nobody else knew. Yes, some stereotypes, but some wonderful insights into what a real community is about, seen from the dark side.

IMO, very good. Not funny, except in the sense that Bean has to struggle with all this knowledge.

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Having watched the whole series I would say the program delivered on most of the points it raised.
Hadn't really thought about the stereotype aspect, difficult to see how entertainment can engage without a degree of stereotyping.

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Just finished episode 2. Sean Bean does do tortured individual very well (but it probably means that he will die at the end of series 1).

[Snigger]
I watched episode 1 and it put me in mind of The Casual Vacancy. JK Rowling managed to kill off her hero before anything happened in that one; what's Sean Bean waiting for?

Cattyish, really need to stop procrastinating and do a job of work on my spare room.

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