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Golden Key
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Re Dorothy Sayers:

Thanks for letting me know. It's possible that when I first learned of her, many years ago, I didn't know what Anglo-Catholic was.

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leo
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quote:
Originally posted by Rossweisse:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Dorothy Sayers, a novelist and a Catholic...

But not a Roman Catholic...
I'm not even sure she was 'anglo' - Fr. Ken Leech was at S. Anne's but not all its staff have been A Cs.
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She seems to have had an affection for the 'traditional' C of E of the 1662 BCP era - 8am Early Service (i.e. Holy Communion) on Sundays and Holydays, 11am Matins, 630pm Evensong - as described so accurately in The Nine Tailors.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
You've seen the Star Trek transporters? The Starfleet officers step into the tube and vanish, to reappear down on the planet surface. One theory of how that works is that it's really a duplicator. The passengers actually die. They are dissolved into their component atoms, a new body is regenerated down below, and the pattern, up to and including memory and motive, is loaded in.

I've always argued this. What comes out of the transporter is a copy, like a sheet of paper coming out of the photocopier. The original dies.

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Brenda Clough
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The question then arises, what about copy degradation? The photocopy of a photocopy is less clear than the original.

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Bishops Finger
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No, no - if the atoms are reassembled in the same order, and they are the same atoms, then the transported body is the original, surely?

This must be so, or Jim & Co. would have been looking a bit fuzzy round the edges by the end of the series...

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
No, no - if the atoms are reassembled in the same order, and they are the same atoms, then the transported body is the original, surely?

How would they be the same atoms?

And why is that relevant? Your body doesn't contain all of the same atoms that it contained last week, but we still call it the same body.

If you take a thing, and make some indistinguishable copies of it (copies that are actually indistinguishable, rather than photocopies) then does it even make sense to talk about which one of the identical objects on the table is the "original"?

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This actually was the plot for one of the first Start Trek novels: Spock Must Die! Bones frets about what the transporter does and what that might mean for the soul.

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