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Leaf
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IMUO: Buxtehude sux.
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Schroedinger's cat

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OK, lets try UO of cliffdwellers level:

I wish I could still be an evangelical. The certainty, the clarity of just believing what I was told, the knowledge of having your own people - that was brilliant, and I miss it.

These days I am lonely, uncertain, always struggling. It is utter shit.

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You're actually better off without it.

Another UO....

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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
I don't think Robin Williams was a good actor, or at all funny. Couldn't stand Dead Poet's Society; kept watching in the hope it got better but he annoyed me.

I couldn't stand him either. Nor Bruce Forsyth as someone said further back.

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But have you seen Williams do creepy characters in "One Hour Photo" and "Insomnia?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
Agree. But Jeremy Corbyn has made a start on reducing their number with his suspension of David Prescott; still has Stephen Kinnock, Hilary Benn, Rachel Reeves, etc, etc, etc. In fact there are far more Labour MP children of MPs than Conservative.

AFAIK they were all elected. Not like far too many Tories who are wearing the same robes their fathers and possibly their ancestors back to Charles II wore.
49 Tories among the hereditaries elected by their fellows, of whom about a third are only the second or third of the title. Nobody (except I think the Duke of Norfolk and the Marquess of Cholmondley, who hold hereditary offices that have a Lords seat) now has an inherited seat in the Lords. Apart from the Bishops, they've all either been appointed or elected (admittedly by a very select electorate of other hereditary peers) in their own right. Been like that for nearly 20 years now.

[ 10. November 2017, 20:14: Message edited by: Albertus ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
I don't think Robin Williams was a good actor, or at all funny. Couldn't stand Dead Poet's Society; kept watching in the hope it got better but he annoyed me.

Humour is notoriously subjective so I won't argue that point. But DPS isn't supposed to be funny and the parts where Williams relies on his stand-up schtick are IMO the weak points of an otherwise decent movie.
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I wish I could still be an evangelical. The certainty, the clarity of just believing what I was told, the knowledge of having your own people - that was brilliant, and I miss it.

I know what you mean. They are good at creating a sense of belonging. Of course it only works if you can sign up to what everyone else believes. When I could I felt really at home, later when I couldn't I always felt at the fringes.

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These days I am lonely, uncertain, always struggling. It is utter shit.
Hopefully it'll get better. It did for me. It took 3 years of trying to fit myself back into an evo mould to realise I really wasn't one any more and was able to walk away (a second time) without animosity or regret.
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
OK, lets try UO of cliffdwellers level:

I wish I could still be an evangelical. The certainty, the clarity of just believing what I was told, the knowledge of having your own people - that was brilliant, and I miss it.

These days I am lonely, uncertain, always struggling. It is utter shit.

I can relate to that, really and truly.

But I think, you know, I'd rather have an honest and truthful loneliness and uncertainty; than a deliberately ignorant contentment with a delusion, based on superficiality.

I'm NOT saying that others who are happy with their evangelicalism have made this choice. Not at all. I'm just saying for ME, this would have been the choice.

And, as it happens, I find that any loneliness, or sense of bereavement for what was etc, is actually part of an ongoing and fruitful struggle, where God can inhabit the weakness in me; where before the 'strength' of a less tested belief would have stymied those opportunities for growth and deepening.

But again, just my experience.

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Ian Climacus

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quote:
Originally posted by Paul.:
Humour is notoriously subjective so I won't argue that point. But DPS isn't supposed to be funny and the parts where Williams relies on his stand-up schtick are IMO the weak points of an otherwise decent movie.

Sorry, I wasn't meaning to link humour and DPS. I assumed it was serious, and took it as such. Still didn't care for it.
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Unpopular opinion: I enjoyed confirmation class, and waa rather depressed after I leas confirmed.

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Obsessive decluttering is at least as disordered and harmful as obsessive cluttering.

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Schroedinger's cat

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quote:
Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
Obsessive decluttering is at least as disordered and harmful as obsessive cluttering.

Any obsessive behaviour is dangerous. Some is socially acceptable, some isn't.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
IMUO: Buxtehude sux.

Yes, Yes! Yes!! x 100

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Of people who claim to be comedians, I find Jim Carrey, as of Pet Detective and Bruce Almighty so completely unfunny that I find it impossible to imagine even how that could be a UO.

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Ian Climacus

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Oh, yes, Jim. Beloved of my friends. Did you see <X>? No. You have to. I'll pass.

quote:
Originally posted by georgiaboy:
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
IMUO: Buxtehude sux.

Yes, Yes! Yes!! x 100
I don't recall seeing him on any programmes or order of service...(surely I'd remember that name!) I guess I may be thankful.

[ 11. November 2017, 22:44: Message edited by: Ian Climacus ]

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
Of people who claim to be comedians, I find Jim Carrey, as of Pet Detective and Bruce Almighty so completely unfunny that I find it impossible to imagine even how that could be a UO.

He's shite, but a hundred times funnier than Eddie Murphy.

UO of the day - Friends was about as funny as Jim Carrey doing Eddie Murphy's material. Through Stephen Hawking's voice generator.

[ 11. November 2017, 23:14: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

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Enoch
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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
Of people who claim to be comedians, I find Jim Carrey, as of Pet Detective and Bruce Almighty so completely unfunny that I find it impossible to imagine even how that could be a UO.

He's shite, but a hundred times funnier than Eddie Murphy.

UO of the day - Friends was about as funny as Jim Carrey doing Eddie Murphy's material. Through Stephen Hawking's voice generator.

Alas, I can't comment on Eddie Murphy as I've never seen him in action. The only reason I've seen Jim Carrey is that I was expected to watch a film of his as background material for a course I was doing. I have seen the occasional episode of Friends when other people were watching it and I agree that it was dire. Both as a Soap and as comedy, even Eastenders is better.

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LutheranChik
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Adam Sandler -- another unfunny comedian.

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quote:
Originally posted by LutheranChik:
Adam Sandler -- another unfunny comedian.

Oh good, so it's not just me. Every time I see him I want to punch his face.

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quote:
Originally posted by georgiaboy:
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
IMUO: Buxtehude sux.

Yes, Yes! Yes!! x 100
Yeah, but my man, JSBach, walked 250 miles to experience him in person. My UO, Bach is much more fun to play than Buxtehude.

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Coffee tastes bitter (unless buried under a load of sugar or chocolate) and smells vile.

Most beer drinkers are slobs.

Very few pastors truly pastor.

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Dancing Queen is a terrible song.
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Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" is worse. And it's longer. And it gets played far too often.

Worse than "Imagine", IMHO.

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quote:
Originally posted by WatchingGodWork:
Coffee tastes bitter (unless buried under a load of sugar or chocolate) and smells vile.

Most beer drinkers are slobs.

Very few pastors truly pastor.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" is worse. And it's longer. And it gets played far too often.

Worse than "Imagine", IMHO.

That's not an UO. It's just
wrong!

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" is worse. And it's longer. And it gets played far too often.

Worse than "Imagine", IMHO.

That's not an UO. It's just
wrong!

Yes, it is most wrong. They both suck, but Imagine is far worse.

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Albertus
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Oh, Imagine is an absolute stinker. Good litmus test: people who think its profound and meaningful are going to be wrong about a lot of other things too- facile secular head-in-sand stuff.

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Imagine sucks.

Stairway to Heaven is a perfect example of indulgent, OTT rock. Which I happen to love. I don't make any claims for it being deep and meaningful, but it is good to rock out to.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
Oh, Imagine is an absolute stinker. Good litmus test: people who think its profound and meaningful are going to be wrong about a lot of other things too- facile secular head-in-sand stuff.

Profound? No. Innocently appealing, yes. There are very good discussions, methinks, to be had on why Lennon's dream would ultimately fail. Despite its wide-eyed innocence, it deserves better than a sort of Lieutenant George response:

George: Now, now, now, look here, you just stop that conchy talk right now,
Private. It's, it's absurd, it's Bolshevism, and it wouldn't work,
anyway.

Baldrick: Why not, sir?

George: "Why not?" Well, what do you mean? "Why wouldn't it work?" It--
It wouldn't work, Private-- It wouldn't work because, there, well,
now, you just get on with polishing those boots, all right? and let's
have a little bit less of that lip!

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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Imagine sucks.

Stairway to Heaven is a perfect example of indulgent, OTT rock. Which I happen to love. I don't make any claims for it being deep and meaningful, but it is good to rock out to.

It very nearly ruins the best rock album ever. Eight tracks, seven great bluesy rock tracks and one bad ballad.

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Grapefruit is horrible.Quorn May be good for you but tastes like cardboard mixed with water.

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Well, as a complete newbie to the Ship, this is the BEST conversation.


My unpopular opinions:

1. It's not that I don't like strawberries, but gosh they're over-rated. People sing and dance about them as this amazing thing and the truth is: they're just another fruit!
2. Grapefruits, however - whoever hates them I'm totally with you. How can anyone eat them.
3. And goats cheese - I simply don't understand why anyone would eat a food that tastes, frankly, of vomit.
4. Politicians are allowed to change their minds. Really. We all learn as we go along. I think they should be allowed to u-turn for the good of the country without being sacked. Football managers (I hate football, but...) should also be able to lose a few games without being sacked.
5. This thread it "the BEST". I know this will be unpopular because I only read page 1 and 11 of this thread, and two other threads, before declaring this fact.

Enjoy yourselves.

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Oh, and (remembering to add this when I see my username in screen):

6. The actual Magic Roundabout in my home town is a misunderstood and under-rated piece of traffic management genius. Every town should have (at least) one.

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Welcome, magicroundabout! I'm so glad you have posted in Heaven! It's a great place to get your feet wet here on the Ship.

If you'd like, you can post on the welcome thread in All Saints where you will be sure to receive a warm welcome.

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UO - most of what people call "patriotism" or "nationalism" is utter bunk and just an excuse to hate people who weren't born on this particular rock. I am increasingly sick of people who wrap themselves in the flag, but by their real-world actions make it abundantly clear that they don't give a monkeys for this country or its people.

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
Oh, Imagine is an absolute stinker. Good litmus test: people who think its profound and meaningful are going to be wrong about a lot of other things too- facile secular head-in-sand stuff.

Profound? No. Innocently appealing, yes. There are very good discussions, methinks, to be had on why Lennon's dream would ultimately fail. Despite its wide-eyed innocence, it deserves better than a sort of Lieutenant George response:

George: Now, now, now, look here, you just stop that conchy talk right now,
Private. It's, it's absurd, it's Bolshevism, and it wouldn't work,
anyway.

Baldrick: Why not, sir?

George: "Why not?" Well, what do you mean? "Why wouldn't it work?" It--
It wouldn't work, Private-- It wouldn't work because, there, well,
now, you just get on with polishing those boots, all right? and let's
have a little bit less of that lip!

Oh, I think I could take it to bits properly, but haven't got the time, space, or inclination to do it now.

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quote:
Originally posted by magicroundabout:
Oh, and (remembering to add this when I see my username in screen):

6. The actual Magic Roundabout in my home town is a misunderstood and under-rated piece of traffic management genius. Every town should have (at least) one.

The other Magic Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead. I had to use it every day. It is back entrance to Hell, especially when dark and wet, when you cannot see any of the road markings.

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
quote:
Originally posted by magicroundabout:
Oh, and (remembering to add this when I see my username in screen):

6. The actual Magic Roundabout in my home town is a misunderstood and under-rated piece of traffic management genius. Every town should have (at least) one.

The other Magic Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead. I had to use it every day. It is back entrance to Hell, especially when dark and wet, when you cannot see any of the road markings.
The roundabout is OK. Hemel Hempstead is the problem.
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The Beatles were much better in the early days- edgy, cocky, out to take on the world, working-class grammar-school sharp- than they were in their rather boring and disconnected long-haired, paisley-wearing, hippyish late period.

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I don’t much like the Beatles in any of their incarnations and think most of their songs are highly overrated.

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I have come to believe that "democracy" is vastly overrated. People should have to demonstrate they are capable of independent thought before getting a vote. At the least there should be a "senate" elected in this way to balance the dire impact of populism.

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Unpopular thought of the day: just because you've written a history linking a 19 century movement to a 10 century movement does not actually mean that the two things are actually linked in any way whatsoever.

Everyone else seems to think it is an interesting, edgy and important contribution. I think it is likely complete bollocks.

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The programme notes for Coriolanus discuss the difficulties of democracy - and that the people do not always benefit getting what they ask for. The idea of democracy having *issues* is as old as democracy itself.

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A benign dictatorship is far better than a broken pseudo-democracy (as we have in the UK and the US).

Of course, that is really difficult to ensure. A good democracy can work, but the adversarial one doesn't. That is why I support a proportional voting system, because that would require parties to work together long term, not just chuck then a billion quid to not vote them out.

My UO - Michael Gove is actually not doing a bad job now.

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My variant on that: it's more important for a government to be competent and to secure a reasonable degree of peace and prosperity than it is for it to be democratic.

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quote:
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My variant on that: it's more important for a government to be competent and to secure a reasonable degree of peace and prosperity than it is for it to be democratic.

Respectfully, spoken with privilege. Who decides who exactly gets to enjoy that "reasonable degree of peace and prosperity"?

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Does it matter who gets to decide, so long as the people as a whole or at least most of them have or have a viable prospect of an ability to get on with your life and have enough to eat and somewhere fairly decent to live and not be avoidably exposed to threats of violence (from the state as well as from others) and, mostly, to have a reasonable amount of property (the stuff you need plus modest luxuries)and know that it will be protected by the state. That sort of thing. And nobody is structurally excluded from this because of race or religion and so on.

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quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
Does it matter who gets to decide, so long as the people as a whole or at least most of them have or have a viable prospect of an ability to get on with your life and have enough to eat and somewhere fairly decent to live and not be avoidably exposed to threats of violence (from the state as well as from others) and, mostly, to have a reasonable amount of property (the stuff you need plus modest luxuries)and know that it will be protected by the state. That sort of thing. And nobody is structurally excluded from this because of race or religion and so on.

Translation: Fuck the poor, especially those transgenerationally so. As long as most of us get along, they can go hang.

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I would probably say that the government needs to enforce doing something for the poor and needy, who cannot help themselves. Whereas those who can look help themselves can get on and do that.

And, fundamentally, a government should not be beholden to anyone. So if they want to say "The Dully Wail is a disgrace and must stop production", they can. As long as it is not because of personal criticism or disagreement.

Similarly, a government needs to be able to say "We will have gun regulation". And enforce it. End of.

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