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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
So my unpopular opinion is that 99% or worship music is crap, and the remaining stuff is meh.

That is a fact, not an opinion.
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No, no - the best ones go like this:

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus x14-20 times, you are so nice.....

But yes, Fact, rather than Opinion.

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I followed the whole series of HHG on the radio and loved it. At the time I was working in a town that I hated and that was the one bright thing in my life.

Thanks for the heads up about the anniversary CK.

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:

I am not going to comment on his worship music, because I am not a fan of worship music. So my unpopular opinion is that 99% or worship music is crap, and the remaining stuff is meh.

A charitable opinion, in my view. Most of that 99% consists of vacuous verbiage and instantly forgettable music, notwithstanding the fact that this crapulous noise brings tears of emotion to my minister's eyes whenever we are exposed to the band singing Jesusjesusjesus x 20+. God gives us the great gift of music, and this is what we give back. It has killed congregational singing stone dead. Pshaugghhh!

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Gordon Brown was the best prime minister we've had in the last 35 years.

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Agree with Dayfd that Pratchett was different. Better? Possibly. Obviously more prolific. At the end of the day the only metric I can judge either by is whether they bring joy or not, and both do, for me.

Never read Bill, the Galactic Hero but the Stainless Steel Rat books are good, but not as enjoyable for me as H2G2 or the better Discworld books. I read them avidly in my late teens, enjoyed them, only later discovered they were meant to be funny. I mean sure they weren't straight serious SciFi, but didn't actually laugh.

The problem with the "Worship music is crap" "fact" is that it suffers from the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Kendrick won brownie points with me a while back when he made a video arguing song writers need to get back to writing songs people can actually sing.

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Originally posted by Higgs Bosun:
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Neither version of rugby is as entertaining to watch as Australian football. That doesn't seem to have any rules at all (except, no edged weapons).

I thought there were two rules:

1) It starts with a ball thrown up in the air

2) You then have a fight

I was told (by an authentic Strine) that the main rule was that no firearms were allowed which were larger than a .45.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
]This is often said, and perhaps I have a cloth ear for literature, but contra my earlier statement, the later HP books are the only ones of significant length I've managed to get to the end of, so I'm not sure the problem is that great.

JK Rowling tells a good story. I find the school year framework rather tedious - half of each book pretty much writes itself before she's started - but children's literature is hardly a stranger to formulism, and Rowling is better than most.

Personally, I have been unable to read anything written by John "tedious" Steinbeck. Every time I try, I just fall asleep. Yes, I understand that walking down a dirt track in the Depression is boring, but I don't want to be bored reading about it.

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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
Personally, I have been unable to read anything written by John "tedious" Steinbeck. Every time I try, I just fall asleep. Yes, I understand that walking down a dirt track in the Depression is boring, but I don't want to be bored reading about it.

Oh, man, me too. And the thing is, I so badly wanted to like it, or at least 'get' it. So many people obviously find so much in it. I tried 'The Grapes of Wrath' first, was recommended another of his works as being much better, by an enthusiast, couldn't get into that one either, and the process has just pretty much continued. There's always a different one I should read if I really want to understand his voice. At this point, I'm thinking I'll just pass.

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The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee

Why not "people"?

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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I'm certain the success of Les Miserables emboldened them. Another very nearly unreadable novel, btw.

It is readable. You just have to realise that you're not reading it for the plot. The plot is a piece of threadbare sentimental melodrama that would make Dickens blush. You're reading it for the digressions. Hugo was an unashamedly Romantic poet and his digressions are unashamedly Romantic prose-poems.
How many of these writers were paid by the word? If that money was what kept them fed, housed, and clothed, they might well have been purposely verbose--more so, if they had dependents.

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Originally posted by Sipech:
Gordon Brown was the best prime minister we've had in the last 35 years.

Thatcher, Major, Blair, Cameron, May. No stiff competition.

When Britain is successful it is despite, not because of, the Prime Minister.

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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee

Why not "people"?

Depends of colloquial usage. Which side of the Atlantic you are on and which region of the UK you are in makes a difference.

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quote:
Originally posted by anoesis:
quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
Personally, I have been unable to read anything written by John "tedious" Steinbeck. Every time I try, I just fall asleep. Yes, I understand that walking down a dirt track in the Depression is boring, but I don't want to be bored reading about it.

Oh, man, me too. And the thing is, I so badly wanted to like it, or at least 'get' it. So many people obviously find so much in it. I tried 'The Grapes of Wrath' first, was recommended another of his works as being much better, by an enthusiast, couldn't get into that one either, and the process has just pretty much continued. There's always a different one I should read if I really want to understand his voice. At this point, I'm thinking I'll just pass.
I'm glad it's not just me... I've ploughed through The Grapes Of Wrath, but I just can't muster up the willpower to make it to the end.

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quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee

Why not "people"?

I use both - simply for variety. But not "guys".

[ 17. October 2017, 07:23: Message edited by: Baptist Trainfan ]

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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee

Why not "people"?

I use both - simply for variety. But not "guys".
"Guys" refers to boys or men, never to mixed sex or gender, nor to all female groups.

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Originally posted by balaam:
"Guys" refers to boys or men, never to mixed sex or gender, nor to all female groups.

We have had this discussion with our teenager, and it seems that "guys" and "dudes" have lost any sense of referring only to boys and men. I'm not sure how widely this applies, but it seems that the former fairly rigid rule has broken down.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by balaam:
"Guys" refers to boys or men, never to mixed sex or gender, nor to all female groups.

We have had this discussion with our teenager, and it seems that "guys" and "dudes" have lost any sense of referring only to boys and men. I'm not sure how widely this applies, but it seems that the former fairly rigid rule has broken down.
Has he seen the musical "Guys and Guys?"

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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
Has he seen the musical "Guys and Guys?"

Showing your age there, old bean.

The times are moving on. The terms that our generation used are changing in the hands of the next.

[ 17. October 2017, 08:33: Message edited by: mr cheesy ]

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Yes, Guys has become mixed sex. It just has. I think it's the influence of US and Australian tv programmes in the UK, don't know how it happened elsewhere.

The ship of guys = men/boys has long sailed either way.

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Anyone else listen to the latest The Allusionist podcast? I was surprised to find out that 'guy' is actually an eponym - it comes from Guy Fawkes!
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Originally posted by Paul.:
Anyone else listen to the latest The Allusionist podcast? I was surprised to find out that 'guy' is actually an eponym - it comes from Guy Fawkes!

Nope, how interesting.

And here's another unpopular opinion (at least in Britain): 99% of the best radio from around the world comes from outside of the BBC. The BBC is not the source of the best spoken word radio.

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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by Sipech:
Gordon Brown was the best prime minister we've had in the last 35 years.

Thatcher, Major, Blair, Cameron, May. No stiff competition.

When Britain is successful it is despite, not because of, the Prime Minister.

With better luck we could have had Denis Healey instead of Thatcher, then John Smith, who was missed and mourned by the whole House.

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Yes, Guys has become mixed sex. It just has.

No.

It's as mixed sex as saying "And on earth peace to all men". That is, the speaker may not be intending to exclude women, and by whatever ruleset it may be technically correct, but it does serve to make women feel excluded.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by Paul.:
Anyone else listen to the latest The Allusionist podcast? I was surprised to find out that 'guy' is actually an eponym - it comes from Guy Fawkes!

Nope, how interesting.

And here's another unpopular opinion (at least in Britain): 99% of the best radio from around the world comes from outside of the BBC. The BBC is not the source of the best spoken word radio.

although, as a confirmed Radio 4 Extra addict, I can confirm that thanks to hours on end of eg the Moth Radio Hour, a lot of the best spoken word radio is increasingly *on* the BBC. Or, at least, more than it used to be.

For which development, much thanks.

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Yes, Guys has become mixed sex. It just has.

No.

It's as mixed sex as saying "And on earth peace to all men". That is, the speaker may not be intending to exclude women, and by whatever ruleset it may be technically correct, but it does serve to make women feel excluded.

Except that round my way it's more often used *by* women to mean both sexes. I mean, I don't even say the word myself (at all, let alone in mixed company), but I can whistle up a slack handful of 20 and early 30 something girls who do.

It has been claimed by millennials of both genders to do something other than what you say it does.

Doesn't make it better/right/or whatever, but it's undeniable that it has happened.

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I feel I should now add my apparently unpopular opinion that language evolves.

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Except that round my way it's more often used *by* women to mean both sexes. I mean, I don't even say the word myself (at all, let alone in mixed company), but I can whistle up a slack handful of 20 and early 30 something girls who do.

It has been claimed by millennials of both genders to do something other than what you say it does.

Doesn't make it better/right/or whatever, but it's undeniable that it has happened.

This. It is young females that seem to use the term as in "hi guuuys!". Young males of the same age mostly just seem to grunt in response.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Except that round my way it's more often used *by* women to mean both sexes. I mean, I don't even say the word myself (at all, let alone in mixed company), but I can whistle up a slack handful of 20 and early 30 something girls who do.

It has been claimed by millennials of both genders to do something other than what you say it does.

Doesn't make it better/right/or whatever, but it's undeniable that it has happened.

This. It is young females that seem to use the term as in "hi guuuys!". Young males of the same age mostly just seem to grunt in response.
This seems to be the main way I hear it used to mean both sexes. No one would refer to one female as a “guy,” but “guys” may be used for a mixed group. More specifically, “guys” or “you guys” becomes a second person plural.

Fortunately, in these parts we have “y’all” to mitigate that trend.

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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee

Why not "people"?

'Church folk' is quicker to say than 'church people'. But 'people who go to church' is surely more common than 'folk who go to church'.

I also think that 'church folk' brings to mind a certain demographic. You wouldn't use it to refer to worshippers at HTB....

Also on a churchy theme, I think it's unpopular here to state that the future of Christianity in Britain is bleak.

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
So my unpopular opinion is that 99% or worship music is crap, and the remaining stuff is meh.

That is a fact, not an opinion.
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Yes, Guys has become mixed sex. It just has.

No.

It's as mixed sex as saying "And on earth peace to all men". That is, the speaker may not be intending to exclude women, and by whatever ruleset it may be technically correct, but it does serve to make women feel excluded.

Yeah, I'm going to say this might well be a generational thing.
It is massively common among the youngs to use guys and dude regardless of gender. Brits, Yanks and Aussies, anyway.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:

It is massively common among the youngs to use guys and dude regardless of gender. Brits, Yanks and Aussies, anyway.

And it's entirely context-dependent. I can point you at any number of young women who will address their friends (of whatever combination of sexes) as "guys", and then in the next sentence use "guys" to mean male people.
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Originally posted by Amorya:
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Yes, Guys has become mixed sex. It just has.

No.

It's as mixed sex as saying "And on earth peace to all men". That is, the speaker may not be intending to exclude women, and by whatever ruleset it may be technically correct, but it does serve to make women feel excluded.

Yeah, I'm going to say this might well be a generational thing.

"Hey you guuuuys...!

I think the show started using that phrase as their intro in '72.

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Originally posted by Stetson:
"Hey you guuuuys...!

I think the show started using that phrase as their intro in '72.

That is the mixed sex variation. It would be interesting to see female to female use of guys in that era.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:

It is massively common among the youngs to use guys and dude regardless of gender. Brits, Yanks and Aussies, anyway.

And it's entirely context-dependent. I can point you at any number of young women who will address their friends (of whatever combination of sexes) as "guys", and then in the next sentence use "guys" to mean male people.
Same with dude. Dude in specific address is genderless, dude in third party is male.

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My wife goes to an Aquafit exercise class twice a week. All the participants are 60+ women. There are three different 30-something instructors (not on the same day!), all are women.

All of them shout, "Come on, guys!" to their protegees.

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Stepson #2 regularly addresses us as "Dude" when he's excited. ("Dude, did you see that touchdown?")

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The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee


Yes. Goes with damp handshake, weak coffee in earthenware mug,wooden cross on leather thong round neck, over-persistent grin. Yuk. (And probably 'the folk in our church family...')

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No - "the folks", if you please. [Devil]
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quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee


Yes. Goes with damp handshake, weak coffee in earthenware mug,wooden cross on leather thong round neck, over-persistent grin. Yuk. (And probably 'the folk in our church family...')
Actually, when is the word "folk" an improvement to anything? Folk religion means superstition, folk music means twee jigs.

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No - "the folks", if you please. [Devil]

Good point. Or even 'bunch of folk' [Projectile]

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
folk music means twee jigs.

No it fucking doesn't. Fairport, Steeleye, Bob Dylan, Al Stewart "twee jigs"? Wash your mouth out.

[ 18. October 2017, 07:14: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

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Seems I have the unpopular opinion that working songs and folk music are gritty and a true expression of British identity.

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You've not been to any good folk gigs recently then. Oysterband, authors of It's My Country Too play the folk circuit, as does Grace Petrie, and nothing she performs is a twee jig. Jake Bugg took his new album to Cambridge, the Levellers played Folk by the Oak. Folk has spawned Lau, False Lights and a whole lot more that are definitely not twee (folk songs with electric guitars and reverb). It's where protest songs are sung and don't stand out.

Crossposted with the world

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
folk music means twee jigs.

No it fucking doesn't. Fairport, Steeleye, Bob Dylan, Al Stewart "twee jigs"? Wash your mouth out.
all of those, plus if you want the ones working now (I love Fairport but borderline hate current Fairport) then add in Bellowhead, Show of Hands, Balshazzar's Feast, Seth Lakeman, the Young'uns, the Unthanks, Leveret... I could go on.

Twee jigs, not likely.

Unpopular opinion today:

English folk culture is as extant and valid as Scottish/Irish/Welsh, and deserving of greater appreciation by the English (as a start).

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Dave Swarbrick subverts twee jigs - worth watching to the end if only for the increasing disbelief of the rest of Fairport as they valiantly struggle to keep up with him.

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
... Folk religion means superstition, folk music means twee jigs.

"All music is folk music. Has a horse ever written a song?"

I think that is from Louis Armstrong.

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Have we ever had a dogpile in Heaven before?

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quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
The word "folk" when attached to church. Twee


Yes. Goes with damp handshake, weak coffee in earthenware mug,wooden cross on leather thong round neck, over-persistent grin. Yuk. (And probably 'the folk in our church family...')
You've omitted the one-arm hug.

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The answer to which, of course, is 'Nay'.....

I'll get me coat.

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