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Bishops Finger
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Curses! Cross-posted.....

That answer was to the question by Louis Armstrong.

But you guessed that, so please don't nag me about it.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
folk music means twee jigs.

No it fucking doesn't. Fairport, Steeleye, Bob Dylan, Al Stewart "twee jigs"? Wash your mouth out.
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" Pumpkin spice" anything that is not an actial pumpkin dessert -- Just. No.

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Curiosity killed ...

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quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:... plus if you want the ones working now, then add in Bellowhead, Show of Hands, Balshazzar's Feast, Seth Lakeman, the Young'uns, the Unthanks, Leveret... I could go on.

Twee jigs, not likely.

Unpopular opinion today:

English folk culture is as extant and valid as Scottish/Irish/Welsh, and deserving of greater appreciation by the English (as a start). [/QB]

Sadly Bellowhead is no more, but yes to the rest - having seen The Unthanks in the summer, Show of Hands at Folk by the Oak, the Young'uns last Thursday and Leveret on Saturday (at Hartlepool Folk Festival because I couldn't go tonight). I'd add Faustus to that list.

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Well - I have managed one popular unpopoular opinion, and one definitively unpopular one.

But then, I know that most people would consider the music I like (and produce - see my sig) to be crap. So fairs fair.

Incidentally, I have seen Bellowhead, Fairport, the Unthanks, Grace Petrie and others.

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quote:
Originally posted by LutheranChik:
" Pumpkin spice" anything that is not an actial pumpkin dessert -- Just. No.

I wasn't at all surprised that that Spice Girl never made the final line-up.

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A bit late, but:
The Earthsea books are a better account of the training of a wizard than Harry Potter;
and:
The Dark Materials Trilogy is overlong, baggy and incoherent - one might say self-indulgent.
I'm not saying that because he's grinding his anti-religious axe throughout.

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P.S. By 'he' I mean, of course, Philip Pullman.

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Pullman I find tolerable, but not as good as his publicity. A mediocre writer at best.

Augustines "City of God" is a pile of unsupportable drivel. It should have been lost in the midsts of time.

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Away from literature, I have stated elsewhere that the 'standard' steam engines designed by R. A. Riddles for British Railways between 1951-1960 are some of the best-looking ever built.

Opinions may vary, but here is one of my favourite types:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/53/4d/06/534d06eeb0b1593594a8bfe8cfd95384--steam-locomotive-rail.jpg

Devotees of the former Great Western Railway etc. will perhaps disagree....

[Two face]

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I'm still waiting for the final book in the His Dark Materials trilogy. I enjoyed the first two, but The Amber Spyglass was so bad it cannot be part of the trilogy, can it?

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@BF: I absolutely agree with you on the 4MT tank loco, one of my favourite locos. Not so sure about the class 4 4-6-0, the Clans or the larger Moguls. The little 2-6-0 is dinky though, and I like the Britannias and the Duke.

[ 19. October 2017, 15:47: Message edited by: Baptist Trainfan ]

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Eirenist:
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The Earthsea books are a better account of the training of a wizard than Harry Potter...
More concise, anyway. The only part of the Earthsea trilogy that can legitimately be compared to Harry Potter is the first part of A Wizard of Earthsea.

I've always thought that Diana Wynne Jones and Jill Murphy had far more reason to feel they'd been plagiarised than Ursula Le Guin, though DWJ at least was rather more gracious about it.

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@BT - but wot about the 9Fs? Magnificent beasties if ever there were, no?

No?

[Paranoid]

Oh, all right - back to literature. I, too, find the school ambience of Harry Potter rather off-putting.

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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
@BF: I absolutely agree with you on the 4MT tank loco, one of my favourite locos. Not so sure about the class 4 4-6-0, the Clans or the larger Moguls. The little 2-6-0 is dinky though, and I like the Britannias and the Duke.

My unpopular opinion is that I like Clans, have in the past been a member of the Hengist scheme, and wish them every success.

I'm also part of the group building the new standard class 2 tank. But then, that's a Swindon product, with a prairie boiler....the GWR gets everywhere....

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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:

Devotees of the former Great Western Railway

AKA the one true faith.

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Is Outrage!

[Eek!]

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Well, at least is Exclusivist!
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Well, at least is Exclusivist!

that'll be the loading gauge...

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Twee folk dance music

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....preceded by an advert for a laxative.... [Eek!]

@betjemaniac - do you perhaps mean the GWR's original track gauge of 7 feet and one-quarter-of-an-inch?

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This is the class of locomotive that Virginians pride themselves on.

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betjemaniac
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
....preceded by an advert for a laxative.... [Eek!]

@betjemaniac - do you perhaps mean the GWR's original track gauge of 7 feet and one-quarter-of-an-inch?

IJ

Sort of - it meant that even once they'd gone to standard gauge the GWR had a bit more space to play with than the rest of the companies, which lead to some of their sizings being limiting elsewhere on the network. When they did the locomotive exchanges there were some pretty severe route restrictions for the ex-GWR types that were on the LM, E, and NE regions.

These days, it affects GW locomotives even on what was the GWR since so many station platforms. etc, have been rebuilt. When King Edward II was restored to main line condition they had to cut down the chinney, safety valve bonnet and cab roof to accommodate the new signal gantries, etc, and that was on a class that was heavy route restricted even when it was in service!

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Not just the GW of course. For instance the A1 Pacifics had to be trimmed once they strayed beyond the Great Northern. Equally, when the Glasgow "Blue trains" started blowing up in the 1960s and had to be returned to their makers, they had to travel on some very convoluted routes to avoid gauge restrictions. Then there were the very limited clearances on he Hastings line and the Burry Port and Gwendraeth Valley, both of which necessitated special rolling stock ...

However we do seem to be straying slightly off-topic ....

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Here's another on the tracks but I'm sure unpopular.

Dr Beeching's report* on the future of British Railways was far-sighted and brilliant.

*It led to the closure of hundred of stations, thousands of miles of railway and the removal of many freight service.

(Could be worth a thread.)

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betjemaniac
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Here's another on the tracks but I'm sure unpopular.

Dr Beeching's report* on the future of British Railways was far-sighted and brilliant.


I'll happily join you in that thread, but I agree *within the brief he was given.*

Beeching didn't set the objectives for his report, but worked to objectives that were set for him. The report is a model of clarity, logic, and clear thinking against those objectives.

It's also (along with the Polaris programme) about the last example of the British government giving time, thought and money to long term strategic planning. The last hurrah of the can-do attitude of the 1950s where things can be reshaped from first principles rather than just accepting things as they are.

There's nothing wrong with the Beeching report. The problem is with the Ministry of Transport and the then Minister of Transport who commissioned it (Ernest Marples, Tory with a financial interest in road building) and set the objectives. To be scrupulously fair though, I'd heap coals also on Harold Wilson and Barbara Castle for standing on a manifesto of reversing/not implementing Beeching then, er, not when they'd won the election.

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Re. Beeching, it's worth saying that many closures took place before his Report came out (there were quite a few even in the 1930s!); equally that some routes closed by Castle et.al. were ones he felt should have remained open (e.g. Oxford-Cambridge). Also the rail industry was hugely old-fashioned and expensive to run, and its capacity to compete commercially on freight prices was for many years hampered by Government.

The big problem with Beeching IMO - and it was part of his given remit - was to examine costs on a route by route basis, rather than as a network; it wasn't recognised how one "unprofitable" branch line helped to maintain the "profitability" of a main line. When the former closed, the contributory traffic to the latter was lost. Also - and this was something Castle did recognise slbeit belatedly - was the wider social, economic and even environmental cost of rail closures.

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My unpopular opinion is that you people need to get a new thread to talk about your mutual steam engine infatuation.

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Originally posted by LutheranChik:
" Pumpkin spice" anything that is not an actial pumpkin dessert -- Just. No.

I’d make no exception for things that are actual pumpkin desserts. Pumpkin is horrible.

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I’d make no exception for things that are actual pumpkin desserts. Pumpkin is horrible.

Wrong. Pumpkin is the fruit of the gods. If you think it is horrible, you've not cooked it right.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
My unpopular opinion is that you people need to get a new thread to talk about your mutual steam engine infatuation.

I was going to say that this thread has not gone so much off the rails as rather decisively onto them. That's not an official Hostly warning or anything, but it probably is true that if the course of discussion unpopular opinions, a small handful of people discover a shared passion for something, there may be grounds there for a separate thread or possibly even just an exchange of private messages.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
I’d make no exception for things that are actual pumpkin desserts. Pumpkin is horrible.

Wrong. Pumpkin is the fruit of the gods. If you think it is horrible, you've not cooked it right.
I know this joke has been done recently, but which gods? Cthulhu? Orcus? Hades? Hel? Melkor?

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There are so many things one can do with pumpkin - cakes, pies, curries, flans, biscuits etc - that it is hard to know what there is to dislike. It doesn't have a strong taste and enhances the flavour of other ingredients.

Easily my favourite veg. I could eat it at every meal.

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TBF, the main problem I have with it is that you get so much from one pumpkin you only really bought to carve a face into but which your frugal soul cannot bear to just waste.

Mrs T is getting a range of gourd/squashlike items this year for carving that have the advantage of us wanting to eat them. She reckons you can do a pretty good skull in a butternut squash. I saw some very disturbing heads cut out of swedes that I'm eager to attempt to reproduce.

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TBF, the main problem I have with it is that you get so much from one pumpkin you only really bought to carve a face into but which your frugal soul cannot bear to just waste.

Pumpkins sold in shops at Halloween aren't usually much good for eating.

But abundance is another great thing about pumpkins - can easily get many meals out of a fruit costing a few pounds.

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Mrs T is getting a range of gourd/squashlike items this year for carving that have the advantage of us wanting to eat them. She reckons you can do a pretty good skull in a butternut squash. I saw some very disturbing heads cut out of swedes that I'm eager to attempt to reproduce.
I've seen those too. I'm not sure why they changed from those to pumpkins - they've very scary.

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I’d make no exception for things that are actual pumpkin desserts. Pumpkin is horrible.
Agree - the vilest things in creation.

Maybe love of the beastly vegetables is a pond thing?

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Maybe love of the beastly vegetables is a pond thing?

Wouldn't have thought so - everyone I know who has an allotment here in Wales grows and eats pumpkins.

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Halloween - there's something I'm ambivalent about. I don't see the point in it, except as a way for retailers to make more money.

But I have fond memories of my grandmother's ghost-free pumpkin soup.

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My unpopular opinion is that you people need to get a new thread to talk about your mutual steam engine infatuation.

You are right!
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Lime-based foodstuffs taste better than their lemon-based equivalents.

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My wife would definitely agree!
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The Verve and Richard Ashcroft - mediocre at best.

Their success is down to everything else that was widely broadcast in the late 1990s being terrible.

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Lime-based foodstuffs taste better than their lemon-based equivalents.

I prefer lemon. Except where coconut is concerned.

Lime and coconut, nectar of the gods.

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Bishops Finger
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I HATE tomatoes! Why does virtually every bloody sandwich-maker include this Vegetable (or Fruit) of Satan?

Obvious answer - hatred of tomatoes is An Unpopular Opinion... [Roll Eyes]

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Pigwidgeon

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I HATE onions! Why does virtually every bloody sandwich-or-salad-maker include this Vegetable of Satan?

(And if you remove them, they've already left their odious taste behind on everything they touch.)

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Jane R
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I hate citric acid. WHY is it added to any and every processed food?! There are other acidity regulators, you know.
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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
The Verve and Richard Ashcroft - mediocre at best.

Their success is down to everything else that was widely broadcast in the late 1990s being terrible.

Ashcroft was not very good, his solo material was uninspiring. But with the band, I think they were very good, at least sometimes.

A lot broadcast at the same time was rubbish though.

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The Verve were probably the second band (to Radiohead) in the best era for indie music. N.b. I was in my mid-late teens then.

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Nick Tamen

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
posted by Nick Tamen
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I’d make no exception for things that are actual pumpkin desserts. Pumpkin is horrible.
Agree - the vilest things in creation.

Maybe love of the beastly vegetables is a pond thing?

Except I’m on the other side of the pond from you.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
I’d make no exception for things that are actual pumpkin desserts. Pumpkin is horrible.

Wrong. Pumpkin is the fruit of the gods. If you think it is horrible, you've not cooked it right.
I know this joke has been done recently, but which gods? Cthulhu? Orcus? Hades? Hel? Melkor?
I'd go with Loki, the trickster. "Here, taste this. It’s delicious, you'll see."

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
There are so many things one can do with pumpkin - cakes, pies, curries, flans, biscuits etc - that it is hard to know what there is to dislike.

Every single one of them. Tried them all—well, except for flan, because flan on its own is gross, never mind the added pumpkin—hated them all. Pumpkin has a horrible, horrible flavor, and there’s just no way to redeem it.

Pumpkin pie is the worst, though. Why anyone thinks pumpkin makes even a passable dessert is just beyond me. And I’ve lost count of the times someone has said "oh, this one is different. You'll like this."

They’ve always been wrong.

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Kittyville
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Pumpkin seems to be ubiquitous in Australia when in season. I will never understand why - it's disgusting.

My unpopular opinion (for an Australian resident) is that bananas would be the last fruit I'd choose to eat. If survival depended upon it, sure. Otherwise, no, thanks.

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