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lilBuddha
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Eggs are for baking, not general consumption and fish are for aquariums, not for consumption at all.

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Not all instant coffee is an abomination.

All coffee served by major chains (e.g. Starbucks, Costa, Nero) is an abomination.

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Eggs (except in pancakes) are of Satan.

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McDonalds food is sometimes edible.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:

All coffee served by major chains (e.g. Starbucks, Costa, Nero) is an abomination.

Not an unpopular opinion here - while Costa and Nero have not darkened these shores, Starbucks was a notable failure in its attempt to muscle out the traditional coffee shops that abound and flourish. Starting with a Greek and Italian immigrants post-WW II, the small and traditional shops spread, and even recent arrivals from East Asia have rapidly picked up the habit of calling in for a quick coffee either to drink there or take away to work.

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I think Trump is a rather good president and all the negativity in the media is ignoring his true genius
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quote:
Originally posted by Roman Cataholic:
I think Trump is a rather good president and all the negativity in the media is ignoring his true genius

Remind me, what is his true genius?

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quote:
Originally posted by Roman Cataholic:
I think Trump is a rather good president and all the negativity in the media is ignoring his true genius

[Killing me]

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Akin to Nero's true genius in fiddling while Rome burned? [Two face]

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quote:
Originally posted by MaryLouise:
Akin to Nero's true genius in fiddling while Rome burned? [Two face]

My music teacher in high school explained that Nero was more apt to have played the lute -- so he would have looted while Rome burned.

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I don't like Doctor Who. I think Quakers are misplaced in a Christians Together Group
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quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't like Doctor Who.

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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't like Doctor Who.

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quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't like Doctor Who.

It is brave of you to admit this personality flaw.

quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I think Quakers are misplaced in a Christians Together Group

Why? Because Quakerism is as Christian as any other church.

Now we might not want to listen to others telling us what we should believe, but that is another matter.

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quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't like Doctor Who.

Neither do I. I put it down to having first watched it with a temperature over 100°f due to Chicken Pox (undiagnosed, visiting friends). I have never managed to watch a whole programme since. I suspect the hallucinations from the first time are at the edge of my consciousness.

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quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't like Doctor Who.

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't like Doctor Who.

It is brave of you to admit this personality flaw.

quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I think Quakers are misplaced in a Christians Together Group

Why? Because Quakerism is as Christian as any other church.

Now we might not want to listen to others telling us what we should believe, but that is another matter.

I don't find them as "Christian" as any other church. Why?
- non Trinitarian (not accepting the historic creeds common to Christian Churches)
- plural view of Salvation. Christ for them is not the only way (not accepting the historical praxis and tradition common to Christian Churches)

Nice people and all that. It's possible of course that I may though have been unfortunate in my experiences with Quakers, albeit across in the UK in various different settings.

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quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't find them as "Christian" as any other church. Why?
- non Trinitarian (not accepting the historic creeds common to Christian Churches)
- plural view of Salvation. Christ for them is not the only way (not accepting the historical praxis and tradition common to Christian Churches)

Nice people and all that. It's possible of course that I may though have been unfortunate in my experiences with Quakers, albeit across in the UK in various different settings.

The problem is that as the Quakers as an organisation have rejected creeds, individuals can believe almost anything. Including being non-theists.

So I don't think they are really "as Christian" as other church, although they may have individuals within the organisation who are - and there may be others in other churches who are not.

I don't really understand why Quakers are treated differently to Unitarians or Mormons with regard to Christians Together in the UK.

But then I have an unpopular opinion - Christians Together is a pointless waste of time and that I'd rather campaign with Quakers (and others) on issues of common interest and that multi-faith discussions are more important.

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quote:
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But then I have an unpopular opinion - Christians Together is a pointless waste of time and that I'd rather campaign with Quakers (and others) on issues of common interest and that multi-faith discussions are more important.

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Alec Douglas Home ran a better election campaign than he's still given credit for.

Ted Heath was a good (if not actually visionary) PM let down by the country not being grown up enough for him and spoiling it all with squabbling.

Trade Unions are entirely necessary good and to be supported, but British Trade Unions continually let the side down by being as bad as British bosses just in a different way.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:

But then I have an unpopular opinion - Christians Together is a pointless waste of time

I just read a bit of their website and that is some scary shit.
Not even joking.

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Judging from the website, you can see why the Quakers would fit in. Their image matches with CT's main spheres of interest.

The problem with many newer (and more dynamic) churches which might see themselves as more orthodox is that their image is less likely to be a good fit.

I do think the historical churches benefit from being in CT, but its appeal to other groups is limited, IMO.

[ 24. October 2017, 12:54: Message edited by: SvitlanaV2 ]

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quote:
Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Judging from the website, you can see why the Quakers would fit in. Their image matches with CT's main spheres of interest.

OK, I was not talking about spheres of interest, but content style. Looking on my mobile I came across christianstogether.org , which was set off immediate alarm bells. Looking on the laptop, I see also christianstogether.net and the only thing immediately worrying is their web design. And then christianstogether.org.uk which gives me a better idea of what you are talking about.
But that first site does lead to another unpopular opinion:
The difference between accepted religion and bat-shit crazy cult is sometimes as much who won as it is the sanity of stated beliefs.

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quote:
Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
I don't find them as "Christian" as any other church. Why?
- non Trinitarian (not accepting the historic creeds common to Christian Churches)
- plural view of Salvation. Christ for them is not the only way (not accepting the historical praxis and tradition common to Christian Churches)

So all the Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists all accept the creeds, and in the same way? And all believe that Jesus is the only way? Rather than, for example, coming to church and doing stuff.

My experience is that not all who attend Quaker meetings would describe themselves as Christian. But then, I am not sure all of those attending any other church would or should. Maybe we are just a bit more honest? (I am not being arrogant or dismissive, just that the nature of the meetings means that people can be honest in ways that it is hard to be in other churches).

And at the heart of Quakerism is a clear expression of Christianity. We have, in our meetings, copies of Quaker faith and practice, as well as copies of the Bible.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Judging from the website, you can see why the Quakers would fit in. Their image matches with CT's main spheres of interest.

OK, I was not talking about spheres of interest, but content style. Looking on my mobile I came across christianstogether.org , which was set off immediate alarm bells. Looking on the laptop, I see also christianstogether.net and the only thing immediately worrying is their web design. And then christianstogether.org.uk which gives me a better idea of what you are talking about.
But that first site does lead to another unpopular opinion:
The difference between accepted religion and bat-shit crazy cult is sometimes as much who won as it is the sanity of stated beliefs.

Well, religious beliefs usually seem at least a little crazy to people who don't share them. That's hardly surprising. The weirdness of organised Christianity is hardly an 'unpopular opinion' these days.

But none of the websites you've listed are relevant to Churches Together in Britain and Ireland, which is the organisation under discussion above.

This is the website I was referring to.

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The only good thing about the Smiths was Johnny Marr's guitar. Morrissey's vocals are an annoying whine that a competent engineer surely could have removed with the right EQ settings...

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Benedict Cumberbatch is weird-looking.

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Since we're confessing admiration for very unpopular politicians - I've come to believe that Ford was extremely under-rated and wish he could have had another term.
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Originally posted by Melisande:
Benedict Cumberbatch is weird-looking.

Downright creepy! And his 'Hamlet' was an abomination.

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I third the opinion on Benedict Cumberbatch.

And... Sherlock is unwatchable

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1. So all the Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists all accept the creeds, and in the same way? And all believe that Jesus is the only way? Rather than, for example, coming to church and doing stuff.

2. My experience is that not all who attend Quaker meetings would describe themselves as Christian. But then, I am not sure all of those attending any other church would or should. Maybe we are just a bit more honest? (I am not being arrogant or dismissive, just that the nature of the meetings means that people can be honest in ways that it is hard to be in other churches).

3. And at the heart of Quakerism is a clear expression of Christianity. We have, in our meetings, copies of Quaker faith and practice, as well as copies of the Bible.

1. No they don't all accept the historic creeds. But, each of those denominations make it plain that their praxis reflects the beliefs that flow from the creedal statements. Coming to church and doing stuff is fine as far as it goes but it is an outworking of faith not a determining route into it

2. I agree with your initial assertion. But that doesn't make you more or less honest. There will be people at every stage of "faith" in, say, a CofE parish church or a Baptist Church. Sometimes - as I have discovered - those who everyone else considered to be pillars of the church are anything but when push comes to shove.

There will be hypocrites as well as undiscovered saints. That doesn't make it any more or less honest. The goal of that church is the expression of God's people in community, with a clearly articulated core set of beliefs. It's up to you whether you embrace them but they are there just the same.

Not all Quakers self describe as Christian If a significant majority don't, how can they be realistically and honestly be part of something where others hold very different beliefs?

3. I don't find that belief articulated in practice, on the ground. I may just be unlucky with the experiences I've had in 3 very different areas. Quakers are very good at big issues but I don't for example, find them keen to be involved at the level of food bank, street pastors etc

IME Quakers are very quick to recognise a variety of belief but very slow to embrace anything that smacks of promoting Christianity as the one way to salvation.

Quakers claim they have no creedal statement yet you have "Faith and practice" what is that if it isn't a creed? It's a somewhat dissembling argument I feel to claim otherwise.

You have a bible: that's good. The real question is whether it's opened and if the contents form the basis for serious engagement with culture.

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I have the unpopular opinion that it is boring when religious people measure others by religious standards that are not commonly accepted.

Denounce them, change the thing so it doesn't happen or.. something. Lighten up. Focus on something else other than a particular tiny minority.

The continual moaning without ever changing anything just seems to show how little this issue actually matters.

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quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Alec Douglas Home ran a better election campaign than he's still given credit for.

Ted Heath was a good (if not actually visionary) PM let down by the country not being grown up enough for him and spoiling it all with squabbling.

Trade Unions are entirely necessary good and to be supported, but British Trade Unions continually let the side down by being as bad as British bosses just in a different way.

Oh dear. I agree with your second two , though I wouldn't go as far as 'visionary'. I don't agree with your first one, though the country was fed up with the Conservatives by then. I can remember that election, though I wasn't old enough to vote in it.

I haven't really been following this thread, but here are a few of mine. Betjemaniac, you won't agree with the first.

1. The Coalition was the best government we've had in recent years, by a long way, and quite possibly in my lifetime.

Cameron was a mediocre Prime Minister, but the Coalition protected him from his ghastly party - as we have seen ever since.

2. Bob Dylan is a poor singer, poor composer and trite wordsmith who doesn't deserve a Nobel Prize. He has a dismal droning nasal voice and when in history have the times not been a-changing?

3. Rugby should be called rugger, but it's still boring.

4. People should be given political asylum, but in return for receiving it, it should be conditional on your behaving yourself in the country which gives it to you. If you break that condition, you should be sent back to where you came from, however threatening and oppressive that regime might be.

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I'm another one signing in as 'not interested' when it comes to:

Game of Thrones
Harry Potter
The Kardashians

I love 'real' coffee, but also instant. Enjoy - yes, ENJOY Pot Noodles, and meat paste sandwiches. Plus spam fritters. Yum!

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quote:
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
Alec Douglas Home ran a better election campaign than he's still given credit for.

Ted Heath was a good (if not actually visionary) PM let down by the country not being grown up enough for him and spoiling it all with squabbling.

Trade Unions are entirely necessary good and to be supported, but British Trade Unions continually let the side down by being as bad as British bosses just in a different way.

Oh dear. I agree with your second two , though I wouldn't go as far as 'visionary'. I don't agree with your first one, though the country was fed up with the Conservatives by then. I can remember that election, though I wasn't old enough to vote in it.

I haven't really been following this thread, but here are a few of mine. Betjemaniac, you won't agree with the first.


Actually I do agree with your first one.

Rugby should be called football though.... In some places - London Scottish FC etc, it still is.

What's really surprising is how many clubs still were FC right up into the 1990s - Leicester, Bath, Bristol, Moseley, etc off the top of my head.

Moseley's ground is still signposted by a local authority roadsign that reads "Moseley FC (RU)"

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Originally posted by Melisande:
Benedict Cumberbatch is weird-looking.

His face is perfect for radio.

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Originally posted by Melisande:
Benedict Cumberbatch is weird-looking.

His face is perfect for radio.
so are his abilities as a pilot....

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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Melisande:
Benedict Cumberbatch is weird-looking.

His face is perfect for radio.
His face is expressive, which is perfect for TV. I agree with the weird-looking.

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Everyone has seen this? Benedict Cumberbatch looks like an otter.

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I actually quite like Jilly Cooper's novels....

And I've read all of them.

Possibly that's one for the opinions you should keep quiet about thread....

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Everyone has seen this? Benedict Cumberbatch looks like an otter.

Now THAT is the nastiest thing I've ever seen about otters, who are lovely, adorable, playful creatures. (I'd bet an otter could do a better job with Hamlet, as well.)

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
so are his abilities as a pilot....

Urgh, don't remind me.

BBC radio comedy is shite at the moment.

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
so are his abilities as a pilot....

Urgh, don't remind me.

BBC radio comedy is shite at the moment.

It is going through one of it's periodic thin patches on R4 in the 1830 slot certainly. I like Tim Vine, but his "chatshow" is execrable. Andy Hamilton's new thing on Wednesdays had me laughing last week.

The News Quiz is back soon, and I do think Miles Jupp has made that his own quite successfully.

Back to unpopular opinions.... I still love I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue.

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Talking of radio shows, 'Just a Minute' always makes me feel nervous. Maybe other people love it.
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The Unbelievable Truth is still fun, though.

And I love I'm Sorry I haven't a Clue.

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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Talking of radio shows, 'Just a Minute' always makes me feel nervous. Maybe other people love it.

Is that still on? I stopped listening in the 70s

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Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Talking of radio shows, 'Just a Minute' always makes me feel nervous. Maybe other people love it.

Is that still on? I stopped listening in the 70s
Yes, and it is unlikely you gave it up in the 1970s as it started in 1994 according to Wikipedia.

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Originally posted by Jengie jon:
Yes, and it is unlikely you gave it up in the 1970s as it started in 1994 according to Wikipedia.

Jengie

Not sure which wire you have twisted, but Just a Minute has been broadcast since the 1960s. And the wikipedia page says so.

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Just a Minute has been going for over 50 years - I was at one of the anniversary recordings last year, or it could have been Nicholas Parson's 80th birthday celebrations. It is mostly recorded in the Radio Theatre now, rather than out on the road.

There's a new series of John Finemore's Souvenir Programme in recording, and My Teenage Diary, plus It's Not What You Know with replacement host Joe Lycette (going by the tickets for which I have received notifications - I was allocated News Quiz tickets and ended up working late, much to my irritation, wouldn't have applied if i hadn't believed I would have escaped the job by then.)

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I remember listening to Just a Minute when I lived in Belfast in the late 1960s.

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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Everyone has seen this? Benedict Cumberbatch looks like an otter.

Now THAT is the nastiest thing I've ever seen about otters, who are lovely, adorable, playful creatures. (I'd bet an otter could do a better job with Hamlet, as well.)
Apparently none of you beheld the Hamlet at The Young Vic with Michael Sheen in 2011. To call it ghastly is too much honour. Sheen wasn't to blame - it was misbegotten by director and producer from start to finish. A conceptual pig's breakfast.

As to Mr Cumberbatch, he was on an American chat show on which he joked about his resemblance to a marmot(?) in Ice Age (the animated film). However weird you might think his look, he does have a sense of humour about himself. Lay off.

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