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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:


Mulled wine depends a bit on the recipe but in general I like it a lot. Cider also mulls well, and fifty years ago people used to warm beer by briefly plunging a hot poker into it. You have to be careful to make sure the poker doesn't touch the glass. I haven't seen it done for years.

I have never seen it done either. Unless you have an open fire with pokers heating in them it doesn't sound very practical. There is, however, a tech solution. I am tell that a bar in New York City serves punch stirred with a hot poker. There is a plug-in electric poker you can buy for this exact purpose. Something like a curling iron, only hotter.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I have never seen it done either. Unless you have an open fire with pokers heating in them it doesn't sound very practical. There is, however, a tech solution. I am tell that a bar in New York City serves punch stirred with a hot poker. There is a plug-in electric poker you can buy for this exact purpose. Something like a curling iron, only hotter.

Brenda, I wasn't saying I hadn't seen it done. I was saying I hadn't seen it done since a long time ago.

Even today, pubs quite often have open fires in them.

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Ah, that's the pond difference. Here, fires in restaurants are rare.

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At university we had plug-in metal coils we used to boil water in mugs for instant coffee. That would work for mulling.

I haven't had Glühwein for ages. We made it with red wine (plonk), slices of an orange, sticks of cinnamon, a star anise, cloves and brown sugar. The wine brought to a simmer, not boiled.

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That sounds about right, ML.

When we moved to Belfast we were told that a tradition had existed of the organist's wife providing mulled wine and mince pies for the lay-clerks after the last choir practice before Christmas, and reviving it would be a good idea.

The then Vicar Choral (who's now the Bishop of Cork) taught me how to make mulled wine - dissolve sugar in water with cinnamon, mixed spice and oranges and lemons stuck with cloves, then add a bottle or two of plonk and keep warm.

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I'm sure that keeping warm in winter is a good idea, whether in Belfast or Canada.
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A word of warning if you use the poker - make sure it's a wood fire! Wood ash is rather nice. I pass over the effect of coal.

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Captain Morgan has a new bold spiced rum that goes very well with eggnog.
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I’ve decided maybe I should try eggnog but I need your help to decide [Smile]

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I have been making smoking bishop for the holidays -- we're having some tonight at our Bible study. A mildly anti-Catholic name, but it's pure Charles Dickens, the beverage that Ebenezer Scrooge serves Bob Cratchit the day after Christmas, after he gives his clerk a promotion and a raise. It's essentially a winter sangria, red wine plus port plus citrus juice heated together with spices. People are happy to drink it if you tell them that it's from A Christmas Carol. It's not drinking, it's literature!

If there's interest I have a recipe.

[ 18. December 2017, 13:06: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

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Sounds like mulled wine to me Brenda [Smile]

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I like fresh untreated spiced apple cider, heated and apple jack added.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I have been making smoking bishop ... It's essentially a winter sangria, red wine plus port plus citrus juice heated together with spices.

As opposed to Stinking Bishop, which is a very fine cheese. [Biased]

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" Hate" is a strong word. But here are things I dislike about Christmas, depending on my mood any given day:

- The culturally mandated American Christmas season, which begins shortly before Halloween and ends around noon on Dec. 25th. Any deviation from or criticism of this timetable marks you as a suspicious person, possibly even a Bad Hombre.

- Candied fruit peelings, otherwise known as garbage the rest of the year.;-)

- Gift shopping for anyone over the age of ten.

For the record, I like eggnog, even the fakey- fake store kind.

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Saying that Jesus was born in a manger. A stable, maybe, but not the manger.

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Brenda Clough
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We had the most appalling sermon on Sunday, wherein the preacher told two anecdotes that contradicted each other. (He is the kind of sermonizer who deals only in anecdote and YouTube videos.) First we were assured that in ancient Bethlehem the custom was for new baby lambs to be wrapped in linen bands and stashed in mangers. No idea why (wouldn't feeding them be difficult?) but this was supposed to be an analogy to the infant Jesus.
The second anecdote was the one about the Montana sheep farm which saves the orphaned lambs by skinning a stillborn lamb and using the hide to trick the mother into adopting the orphan.
In other words, ewes either tolerate lambs being stashed in mangers, AND they're so picky they need to be tricked. Both of these things are true at once.
I was grievously tempted to send an email to the preacher and point this out, but am charitably going to refrain.

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Have the last two posters posted on the wrong thread (or what are they smoking?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Saying that Jesus was born in a manger. A stable, maybe, but not the manger.

But... but... I've not only seen THE Manger, I've seen TWO DIFFERENT ONES!
[Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by LutheranChik:
" Hate" is a strong word. But here are things I dislike about Christmas, depending on my mood any given day:

- The culturally mandated American Christmas season, which begins shortly before Halloween and ends around noon on Dec. 25th. Any deviation from or criticism of this timetable marks you as a suspicious person, possibly even a Bad Hombre.

- Candied fruit peelings, otherwise known as garbage the rest of the year.;-)

- Gift shopping for anyone over the age of ten.

For the record, I like eggnog, even the fakey- fake store kind.

Over this side, Christmas goes on until Twelfth Night (Epiphany). Woe betide you if you take your Christmas decorations and tree down until then!

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quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Have the last two posters posted on the wrong thread (or what are they smoking?)

I understand the thread is about what we hate about Christmas (the titular eggnog being an example, although I love eggnog).

Dude, I wouldn't mind a smoke of a certain substance, although I haven't done it in years.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I've not only seen THE Manger, I've seen TWO DIFFERENT ONES!

I was once at a Christmas eve midnight mass where the priest proffered a relic of the "True Manger" for veneration.

If that was a relic of the "True Manger" then I knew of a certain bridge in Brooklyn that was for sale.

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Originally posted by Sparrow:
... Over this side, Christmas goes on until Twelfth Night (Epiphany). Woe betide you if you take your Christmas decorations and tree down until then!

I knew people in Northern Ireland who would take their decorations down on Boxing Day.

Being Scottish, I think that's borderline heresy. [Devil]

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Oh, I know plenty of Americans who do that, too.

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And across the UK. In many cases they've been up since November. People have it completely arse about face.

Our school term starts 2nd Jan. That totally screws anyone visiting family for New Year, doesn't it? It's still Christmas on 2nd Jan!

[ 23. December 2017, 08:28: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

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Christmas trees are unimportant, imported Prussian custom.

However 12th night is not the day the trimmings come down, it is the say they are added to. The magi should not be at the crib until then, and the house remains decorated until Candlemas.

No, we don't do that either.

Brenda, do you have that smoking bishop recipe?

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If Brenda doesn't have it, I have recipes for:
  • Lamb's Wool - mulled ale
  • Bishop or Mulled Port - apparently "named by Oxford and Cambridge undergraduates. In Northern Europe, 'Bishop' refers to any hot, spiced wine".
  • Hot Christmas Punch containing cider, rum and brandy!
  • Mulled Red Wine
all from the Christmas section of a National Trust book called Christmas and Festive Day Recipes - although my edition dates from 1981 and is a hardback.

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quote:
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... It's still Christmas on 2nd Jan!

Absolutely. Being Scottish, I was always used to 2nd January being a public holiday, and in my 15 years in Northern Ireland I never quite got my head round the fact that it wasn't.

I was usually able to take extra time off work (where I worked was closed from Christmas Day to New Year's Day), and as D. had the Sunday after Christmas off, we usually went away as soon as we could after Boxing Day, but I remember one year when someone else in the office decided she wanted the time after New Year and I had to be back on the 2nd. Utterly barbaric. [Big Grin]

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I need to move to Scotland!

24th here and hot. As much as I live glühwein it would not do today. I'm having watermelon and plums. [Help]

Had to duck into the supermarket and there came across the Christmas hoarders. Those people who fill their trolleys with endless groceries because, gasp, the supermarket is shut for one day. Always makes me smile.

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Japanese whiskey!!!! EeeeeeeeeeeeK!

Don't like it, has to be a good single malt from Scotland, although in saying that some of the Welsh stuff from Pendaryn is good (but they have Scots people working in the dystillery there).

Egg nog. Yuck, yuck, triple yuck. My son says it's a good cure for a hang over!!! We don't have a tradition of egg nog in Scotland and my Welsh friends don't recognise it as a tradition either. It must belong to the English, I think. Is it related to the Dutch, 1970s drink Advocat?

Now what about a really good port? My favourite is Dona Antonia but difficult, if not impossible to get in Britain. Or gluwine the real German stuff - available at Lydl supermarkets.

Then if you want to be adventurous there are some fantastic Hungarian fruit spirits (not the Romanian ones - they are just fire water) such a plum brandy, apricot brandy (must be from Kesckamet) and pear brandy.

I love "Unicum" from Hungary, black, warming and herby. But it's an aquired taste and I don't think may people outside Hungary like it.

Happy Christmas (Nadolig Llawen in Welsh).
Raise a glass of whatever you fancy and enjoy it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Had to duck into the supermarket and there came across the Christmas hoarders. Those people who fill their trolleys with endless groceries because, gasp, the supermarket is shut for one day. Always makes me smile.

This does puzzle me. People buy lots of stuff "because we're having 12 people for dinner on Christmas Day". Fair enough - so why are the other 11 also ramming their trolleys full? ISTM that the supermarkets ought to have FEWER people than usual shopping in the days before Christmas, albeit with each shopper buying MORE. But it doesn't work like that (sigh!).
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quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
Being Scottish, I was always used to 2nd January being a public holiday.

Only since 1973, apparently (legislation enacted 1971).
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:

24th here and hot. As much as I live glühwein it would not do today. I'm having watermelon and plums. [Help]

Egg nog ice cream is your friend.

Step 1: make egg nog.
Step 2: realize that egg nog is basically just a zabaglione. Zabaglione is "basically just" a base for gelato.
Step 3: get ice cream freezer out. Use.

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The Southwest Florida eagles are due to hatch any minute now. I find that very Christmasy for some reason.

It is Christmas Eve and I've got the spirit, by golly! The house smells like cookies and some weird candy cane tea someone gave us. Our pitiful pile of presents are artfully arranged under the tree to our dog's sniffing delight. Kroger gave us some free poinsettias while we were there earlier and they look dandy on the hearth. We have a slight drifting of snow.

God bless ye merry eggnog haters!

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Christmas babies are always special! [Big Grin]
Hoping to have a baby eagle soon! And I just had eggnog so nobody else has to choke it down. [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by wild haggis:
... Egg nog. Yuck, yuck, triple yuck. My son says it's a good cure for a hang over!!! We don't have a tradition of egg nog in Scotland and my Welsh friends don't recognise it as a tradition either. It must belong to the English, I think. Is it related to the Dutch, 1970s drink Advocat? ...

No, we don't have it here either. Perhaps it is a North American drink originally designed to get round Prohibition.


On New Year's Day, when I started work, it wasn't a Bank Holiday in England. I can remember having to go into work when I did not feel at all like doing so.

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No, we don't have it here either. Perhaps it is a North American drink originally designed to get round Prohibition.

Nope. It started in the Mother Country, but spread widely in the North American colonies, due to the relative cheapness of the ingredients here. (And "eggnog with nog in it," as my father used to call it, was illegal during Prohibition.)

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The Southwest Florida eagles are due to hatch any minute now.

We have two baby eagles! E-10 and E-11 have arrived!! [Big Grin]

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I'm only now realising from Rossweisse's link that egg-nog is served cold.

I know it's sold in milk-cartons, chilled, but I always imagined you were supposed to heat it up before you drank it, which may have been what put me off, as the only way I like hot milk is as cocoa or hot chocolate.

I have a vague memory of Snowballs (fizzy advocaat) in my early drinking days, but I think I'd find it too sweet now.

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I think there's a vaguely eggnog-like beverage that's served warm, but I have never encountered it. That sounds just as well.

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I too thought it a warm, or hot, beverage. I imagined people drinking it by a fire.

What an informative place!

And hurrah for eaglets.

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You can drink it warm or cold (not hot, because then the egg will curdle). Eggnogs are cold; when it's hot the name changes to milk punch or some similar term.

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The traditional 'hot' eggnog is a 'Tom and Jerry' which IIRC is eggs, milk and rye or bourbon. It takes a skilled mixologist to make these without scrambling the eggs.

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Thanks, georgiaboy. That was the name that I was seeking. (I think I was served a failed one once.)

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Hmmm...I think I'd rather have the scrambled eggs, sans alcohol, preferably on a toasted, fresh "everything"* bagel, with steamed hot cocoa and a good book. And a cozy place in which to curl up.

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*Bagel baked with assorted seeds, onion flakes, etc. on top. Yummy!

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Recipe for a Tom & Jerry at the NYT...

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quote:
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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Had to duck into the supermarket and there came across the Christmas hoarders. Those people who fill their trolleys with endless groceries because, gasp, the supermarket is shut for one day. Always makes me smile.

This does puzzle me. People buy lots of stuff "because we're having 12 people for dinner on Christmas Day". Fair enough - so why are the other 11 also ramming their trolleys full? ISTM that the supermarkets ought to have FEWER people than usual shopping in the days before Christmas, albeit with each shopper buying MORE. But it doesn't work like that (sigh!).
My son works at Walmart -- thus he has his finger on the pulse of the nation. The Christmas frenzy begins the night of Thanksgiving when the Black Friday sales start for those who can't wait till it actually is Friday, and the shopping continues and then peaks on Christmas Eve. Christmas Day is the one day they're closed, but then, what he considers the worst day of the year is the December 26th. Returns

There are looong lines at the service desk for people who got gifts they didn't like or which didn't fit, all the registers have equally long lines made up of people who couldn't wait one day to spend the gift money or gift cards they got for Christmas, the people looking for end of season sales, the people buying cleaning supplies and storage tubs for their after Christmas purge, and those who forgot to get some essential food while buying the Christmas specialties -- you can't pour eggnog on the baby's cereal.

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Re: eggnog

I think you'll find the origins of eggnog lie in posset and its association with Christmas is in the use of rich (enriched with egg) possets to alleviate colds and 'flu.

Although a sweetened posset might occasionally be served as a dessert in preference to a syllabub, it was never seen as any kind of alcoholic beverage, or as anything associated with some sort of celebration.

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I think there's a vaguely eggnog-like beverage that's served warm, but I have never encountered it. That sounds just as well.

I have once tries pre-made eggnogg, vile stuff. The stuff I make from egg, hot milk and brandy though is totally different and totally nice. Drink it hot. [Edit to add - AND SUGAR]

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