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I thought NZ rugby people were not wusses?
As hinted above, I think most kiwis respected the French response, and are horrified at the IRB's decision.
Fair enough.
Anybody know who asked the IRB to introduce this bylaw or regulation? It sounds like it came from the time when NZ didn't want to do the haka before the anthem.
BTW, does anybody know when they run up against the Tongans, who does their dance first?
The IRB regulate everything like that for a World Cup event, whether they do for a regular Test where the event is by the home team's Rugby Union is another question. They had organised it such that the All Blacks were to stay behind a certain line and the other team was to stay behind a certain line in the other direction. What the other team is supposed to do I'm not sure, with teams having previously been fined for ignoring the haka, fined for taking it seriously, fined for getting in an extra three minutes of practice etc.
A consistent rule is needed that protects the sporting tradition of NZ teams doing the haka before a game (not just in Rugby, the only NZ team I've seen on TV not doing one is their third-rate cricket team) and also allows space for sporting traditions of other nations to have the same space on a match day. Any fines or sanctions should only be applied after a complaint is made, not for arbitrary rules
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They do that in football, too?
I don't know about football (soccer) cos I've never seen them on TV. Basketball, women's Rugby and Hockey (Field) are the ones I've seen, at least in games against Australia. I don't think the Netball team does the haka, maybe they should have on Wednesday night to get them closer to matching the Aussie girls!
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I think the IRB fell off their tree. The haka is a challenge. The French responded. No punchup occurred.
The reception of the team in Paris was magnifique. A class show.
Amie's father being French we supported Les Bleus. The ABs are the cousins we love to hate. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Six Nations time is upon us.
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Oh Yes ! .... And what a hugely physical clash between Scotland and England today.
The result went England's way
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Robert the Bruce can stick that where the sun don't shine - his boys really didn't like it up 'em today.
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St. Gwladys
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Waaales, Waaales.....
I felt it was the right result but not necessarily the right score. Wales were certainly the dominant side.(But then, I'm biased)
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Sioni Sais
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Dan Parks was definitely Man of the Match on Saturday - for England! He had a terrible time and but for him Scotland would probably have won. I suppose he's Australian again now. It wasn't simply the charged down kick that led to a try, but the possession he kicked away. We'll see just how good England's new defensive midfield is when they play Wales.
Ireland looked sick and angry as they trooped off, but if you concede a try when a man up, you won't win many.
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The 'Spear tackle' controversy seems to be following Wales around like a bad smell.
I think they can count themselves as pretty fortunate with Sunday's outcome.
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Sioni Sais
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The 'Spear tackle' controversy seems to be following Wales around like a bad smell.
I think they can count themselves as pretty fortunate with Sunday's outcome.
Even Wales' coach says Bradley Davies was fortunate only to get a yellow. He might get cited for it anyway, in which case he would miss two or three more games, and he's crucial for Wales as their World Cup locks aren't fit. Ryan Jones, usually blindside or no 8, might play at lock.
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England 0 - 6 up against Italy with 3 mins to half-time , and then go into the changing room 12 - 6 down ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
Tell me that didn't happen.
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Goodness me England have won !
All very unbelievable,
rather like the abundant snow falling on the Rome pitch.
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Never in doubt rolyn, not for a second.
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I'm just watching a recording of the Italy v England game now, so I haven't read today's posts on this thread yet, but can I just say...
Jeremy Guscott's scarf! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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...And the only thing better than the scarf was Young Farrell's goal kicking. Do you think they'll start using the Mitre ball at Twickenham? ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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St. Gwladys
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I only saw the first half of the Wales match as our afternoon/evening service is at 4.30, but was very pleased to hear the final score! The first half was certainly tough and Wales and Scotland seemed pretty evenly matched.
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Sioni Sais
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At full strength and when concentrating Scotland were indeed equal to Wales, but they started the second-half appallingly then played one if not two men short for 15 minutes. Wales won the gamme in the first fifteen minutes after half time, but they were out on their feet at the end.
So far there have been two really good games and Wales have played in both. The rest has been forgettable.
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So how do you rate Wales' chances against England?
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
So how do you rate Wales' chances against England?
We can hope....
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Sioni Sais
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So how do you rate Wales' chances against England?
England have the better set-piece and they are improving but I take Wales by 11 points, to reflect that England will score more penalties but Wales more tries. I doubt any Welsh no 10 will be so slow to allow a chargedown!
We could even have Farrell at 10 with Barritt & Tuilagi at centre. A decent defensive midfield.
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Wales by 11? Ouch!
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Triple Crown down, Grand Slam to go. Go Wales!
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Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
Triple Crown down, Grand Slam to go. Go Wales!
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Your boys were bloody lucky.
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England's young new team put in an inspired performance, but the upper-body strength on some of the Welsh players carried the day.
The only problem with bringing on substitutes late in 'the game that batters' is that they're not hardened like those who've been in it from the start.
The winning try came about with our chap being dispossessed of the ball like taking candy off kids.
Well done Wales, the Triple Crown was well deserved.
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I only saw the second half, but well done Wales!
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It's Lent, Zappa and I'm trying to give up SOF for the duration but your post tempted me and I fell. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
Although a born again Thugby fan, I too, have no access to Pay TV.
When Easter comes I will regret it, but, for Lent ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
I know the Reds won but I am glad to see a Jake White inspired Brumbies revival and I am glad to see the Rebels improve.
Australian Rugby can only, I hope, improve. ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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OMG England beat France on their home turf ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Only saw bits of the game . Enough to see the Ref didn't do us any favours . So double congrats to the lads
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I just got round to watching the France v England match. Oh boy, what a game! Some interesting refereeing, a French team that seemed to have an identity crisis, and an English team that seemed intent on doing just about enough and no more. But what about Tom Croft's line when he scored the try? Sublime!
But on another topic, did anyone else see the BBC's shout out to the Women's Six Nations? England have won their first four games and only conceded six points in doing so! Very impressive. It's now set up for a Grand Slam decider against Ireland.
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RIP Merv the Swerve.
Back in the early seventies, until his career was cruelly cut short by a brain haemorrhage, Mervyn Davies was the best number 8 in the world. The can't have been many lanky rugby-playing schoolboys anywhere who didn't want to emulate him.
It's going to add something to tomorrow's match at the Milleneum Stadium.
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Yay Wales!
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Boo Wales!
I'm now officially trying to avoid the result of the England game so that I can watch the replay in the morning. Whether I'll be successful is doubtful, but here's to trying!
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And St Patrick can suck on that!
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God Almighty - we even got stuffed by the Italians. ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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Sioni Sais
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Apart from the emotion in Cardiff and the sight of England's scrum pushing the Irish all over Twickenham (Oh how different to last year!) it was hardly a weekend for quality rugby.
I've got to admit that the Italian crowd is definitely the best looking in the championship! That, or the director picks out the eye-candy.
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the sight of England's scrum pushing the Irish all over Twickenham
I picked the right day for my first Six Nations visit to HQ
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It was definitely a game for the purists! And to be fair to the Irish, it was only when their first-choice tighthead went off that they were so comprehensively beaten.
But I'll take it.
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Never mind competitions between 6 nations or 15 'provinces'. This coming weekend will see a truly international feast of rugby, with 32 nations contesting the Hong Kong Sevens. What's more, it will all be running rugby, and isn't what it supposed to be about. The top players are all quick in the legs but also between the ears.
No wonder that sevens is about to become an Olympic sport, as it much more international and suited to a wider range of physiques than the boreathons featuring 6 successive scrum resets, after which the ref [mentally] tosses a coin to decide which side should spend a minute or two lining up a penalty goal.
The whole tournament will be broadcast live into Fiji, where it is the national game, and the only sport in which Fiji has been world champion.
Fiji are in with a good chance of winning, but the competition in these tournaments is always close, particularly once it gets to the quarter finals. New Zealand and England are nearly always in the last 8, helped by the number of Fijian emigres in each of their sides. Samoa and South Africa are always serious contenders too. Others not normally thought of as rugby nations, such as Kenya, also win many matches.
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I love watching sevens. It's a bugger to play though unless you are a lot fitter than I was when I tried it. I went to HK one year, long ago, and had a fantastic time. I think some of the smaller rugby nations see it as an area where, with a bit of investment, they can compete on much more level terms than 15s, witness Kenya, as Tukai said, but also Portugal and Spain.
The women's competition has also been growing in recent years. It is not all the same suspects as the men's game. England and Australia will be good (NZ won't be there), but watch out too for the Dutch (Yay!), Spanish and particularly the Canadians who I think have a good chance of winning it.
In my view sevens is a much better spectator sport than the full fifteen-a-side, not only because it is faster paced, but also with fewer players on the field there are far fewer infringements for the ref to make an arbitrary decision about. This makes it much easier for a non-rugby person to understand and appreciate.
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On another matter - if you were one of the 57 Old Farts, would you give Stuart Lancaster the England job full time?
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I would. I think a young England team performed quite decently, and improved as the tournament went on. I suppose we were fortunate to play Scotland and Italy first, while still finding our feet, but finishing second behind a good Welsh team is not a sackable offence in my view.
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Paradoxically I have no interest in Sevens - or about as much as I do in League. Which is none. Sevens demands fitness I concede, but seems to be over before it's started, and lacks the titanic struggle and forward/back duality of the real game. Like League, in fact (at least insofar as the forward/back duality is concerned. I admit League lasts longer. Interminably longer).
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I'm with Zappa. Sevens, like League, is all about try scoring, which is like saying cricket is all about sixes and great catches. In Sevens or League, one missed tackle generally means a try, and I'm afraid that appears superficial to me.
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Can I have a whinge about the farce which is the Championship in England?
It's a twelve team league, so in the 'Regular Season' each team has 22 fixtures. They then divide into three four-team pools for the 'Playoffs'. The top eight teams form two 'Promotion Pools' features the top four teams, and the 'Relegation Pool' has the bottom four. Once the six pool games are completed, the top two teams in each of the Promotion pools advance to the 'Championship Semi Final' which is a two-legged tie. The winners of these games advance to the 'Championship Final', another two-legged game. The winner of the final will be promoted to the Premier League, so long as their ground measures up against various minimum standards.
Does anyone else think that this is ridiculous? Perhaps I'm biased because I support Bristol (who ran away with the Regular Season league) but this seems to be needless Americanization (sic) in pursuit of a bit of "excitement" which apparently can't be generated by appreciating the sport for what it is. If Bristol stuff up the semi or the final (it's happened before) I shall be even more annoyed than I am now.
Do other countries have this kind of lunacy in their lower divisions?
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Un-frickin'-believable! We go 0-17 up, 9-17 at halftime, and finish 45-24 down.
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I watched it IF. You were powned. Great game of rugby for the neutral and, for a retired loosehead, the second half had a couple of belting tries.
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In the final leg of the World Sevens Series in London, Fiji beat Samoa in the final, but New Zealand clinched the series by taking the third spot.
Final standings after nine weekends of glorious running rugby:
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1 NEW ZEALAND 167
2 FIJI 161
3 ENGLAND 135
4 SAMOA 133
5 SOUTH AFRICA 125
In the women's tournament the Netherlands lost to England in the final, having beaten the likes of France, Canada and Australia on the way. This weekend there is a huge sevens festival - nine pitches in concurrent use - in Amsterdam. Mostly club teams for the men, but more than a dozen international women's teams.
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It isn't the end of the season in the northern hemisphere but the big match tomorrow is the Heineken Cup Final. It's an all-Irish affair with Twickenham sold out so the pubs in West London ought to do a roaring trade!
I'm putting the price of a pint of Guinness on Ulster*. They are all team, through and through and Leinster have too many just back from injury.
*I think that's about four quid in that area!
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