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Imaginary Friend
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Excellent!
(On both counts. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) )
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
...though for balance's sake I probably ought to mention that I was out hit wicket for a golden duck. Still not sure what happened there...
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A bit of Jiggery-pokery?
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Imaginary Friend
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Are you accusing dear Sandemaniac of letting a cheese roll get past him?! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
(And, as a side note, that is a superb video. Hadn't seen it before. Emile Heskey as "easily defended" had me in stitches!!)
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There aren't many cheese rolls get past me, though you wouldn't believe it to see me in the flesh!
Usually it's me doling out the jiggery-pokery, with my notorious washing machine action*...
Given that it's a 2pm start tomorroaw at Edgbaston, catching the last train at 22.04 might be interesting.
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*a Dutch interpretation of the frog in a blender.
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Sioni Sais
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The final total and result were very un-English but we did manage traditional mid-innings collapse. Recovering from 202-6 is quite something.
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Sandemaniac
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All in all a good day to have been at Edgbaston. Even Celtic Knotweed enjoyed it - in fact, it was her idea!
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Looks like the conditions are a bit more conducive to seam bowling in Southampton today. Might make for an interesting game.
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Sioni Sais
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It's got to the stage where England need a wicket: Williamson and Taylor, as in the last game are far too comfortable.
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Too little, too late. Still, I expected us to get absolutely walloped in this series, so it's nice that we're making it competitive.
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Sioni Sais
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Really missed Jordan and Plunkett, mostly for their tailend batting and Jordan's amazing catching.
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Tukai
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Australia in ominous form in West Indies. (Won both tests in a total of 6-1/2 days). All bowlers firing to the point where they are wondering if they can leave out Harris against England, who could manage only a drawn series against WI.
England are in for a hiding in the Ashes, unless the English summer is even wetter than usual.
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Imaginary Friend
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I think the English may just be rediscovering a bit of optimism. Not that I think this will be enough to make the Ashes competitive, mind, but it may add to the preseries hype.
Fundamentally, I think England have to be at their very best to even make it close. Australia's bowling is clearly better, and the batting (while closer to being equal) probably tips Australia's way too. But if Cook can get a lot of runs, if the middle order can avoid collapsing, if we get some conditions that are conducive to swing, and if we can somehow find a spinner who can hold up an end, then we have an outside chance. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Sioni Sais
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England's best hope is that Australia underperform and this sort of thing does happen. Back in 1958/59 (my Dad and Wisden disclosed this to me) England took a near world-class team to Australia to defend the Ashes. May, Cowdrey, Graveney in the middle order, Trueman, Tyson and Statham to bowl quick and Lock and Laker to supply the spin. England never got going and lost 4-0, by 10, 9 and 8 wickets twice.
Cricket's a funny game, but I don't think it's going to be quite that funny this time round.
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Imaginary Friend
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...And so it begins...
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Sandemaniac
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...with a fifteen-minute delay for razzamattazz on a day when losing play to rain is entirely likely. Dear gods!
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That was toe-curlingly awful. Three national anthems (when have there ever been anthems at the cricket?!), buglers, mascots, you name it. Embarrassing.
But when the play did finally begin, it was an interesting day. I would have Australia leading by a short head at the moment. A lot will depend on how well England bowl.
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Welease Woderwick
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410 is not too dreadful but then England have to bowl and they have to bat. I don't often shout for England but against the Aussies I can make an exception.
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OI!
Loved hearing the Welsh singing Guide Me O Thou Great Redeemer yesterday. That would never happen here!
Lovin the cricket back on free to air.
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Except for Old Man River [Rogers], the Australian batsmen all played on the Shane Watson model: bash a few fours, get to 20 or 30 and then get out to a silly stroke. Perhaps England deserve a bit more respect than that!
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Sioni Sais
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So far this summer the emphasis in England's play has been on uninhibited batting. Today it was the bowling that delivered the most disciplined performance since last year.
Someone mentioned on the BBC TMS feed that this is the first England team in years to feature no South Africa born players.
eta: Rogers deserved better a ton!
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Sandemaniac
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Indeed - it's poised very interestingly at the moment. A bit of application either way could make the difference.
I guess the last team without an SA-born player must have been before Strauss appeared on the scene - 2004? It will be interesting to see how long we can keep a team together of largely homegrown players - while England has had some fantastic players over the years born in all corners of the globe (and it's most infamous captain was born in India to Scottish parents), it did sometimes seem to be getting a bit silly. Mind you, Ballance was born in Zimbabwe, so we're still a bit League of Nations.
AG
PS I'm desperate for rain for the allotment. So why the flip does it look as though it'll come on my cricket day? Grr!
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I wonder if the Oz are finding this pitch peculiar, quite slow, with uneven bounce. It sure nullifies the quicks, but rewards people like Wood, and I suppose, spin.
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Well, I notice that Geoffrey is saying that Australian batsmen are staying back in their crease, because their pitches are faster, and are getting trapped by the slower pitch (and ball). But then, this is probably bollocks and totally ad hoc.
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Sioni Sais
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England lead by 122 runs on first innings. Let's not get carried away, it's not like anyone has won anything, but you would have got long odds on that yesterday. Longer odds this morning though as Australia lost their last five for 44 runs this morning.
If Australia's batsmen were done by anything today it was sideways movement. It does for them as surely as persistent outside-the-off-stump does for England's batsmen.
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Cardiffo collapso!
Wonderful morning of cricket so far. We showed we're better at mopping up a tail than the Aussie's are.
If we can get 220+ by the close of the play with the loss of no more than 4 wickets, then we'll have the game by the throat.
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Sioni Sais
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Oh help me Lord. What is it with modern cricket followers? On the BBC's TMS feed someone (name removed to protect the ignorant) suggested that after dismissing Gary Ballance "Australia's gander will be up".
It's *dander* you pillock. Leave geese out of it. They are dangerous.
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Sandemaniac
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
"Australia's gander will be up".
After Wood's imaginary horse, maybe they know something you don't? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
Personally I blame predictive text.
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Well, I notice that Geoffrey is saying that Australian batsmen are staying back in their crease, because their pitches are faster, and are getting trapped by the slower pitch (and ball). But then, this is probably bollocks and totally ad hoc.
My late mother (try growing up in a household where the mother is the dedicated TMS listener) always maintained that the infuriating thing about Sir Geoffrey is that he's an angry loon, but 2 days later you realise he was right. Pretty well always.
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England now seven down with a lead of 360ish. I think Aussie can still chase that. Need a few more. I had been really Zen about this match because I thought we had no chance. Then I started to hope. Now I'll be disappointed if we lose.
It's a funny old game.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Well, I notice that Geoffrey is saying that Australian batsmen are staying back in their crease, because their pitches are faster, and are getting trapped by the slower pitch (and ball). But then, this is probably bollocks and totally ad hoc.
My late mother (try growing up in a household where the mother is the dedicated TMS listener) always maintained that the infuriating thing about Sir Geoffrey is that he's an angry loon, but 2 days later you realise he was right. Pretty well always.
Looks like we had a mother in common! G Boycott also committed the unpardonable sin of being born on't wrong side of Pennines. And yes, when it came to batsmanship the bugger was right and still is.
I do wish England had another fifty runs though.
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It's hope, indeed, that is the killer, because we have a real hope of winning and have actually been good.
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Imaginary Friend
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Bricking it.
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Sioni Sais
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Yay! Smith out, three down.
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FIVE down!
106/5
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Not sure what I was worrying about.
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And they've passed the 200...
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Sioni Sais
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And that's all folks. A good counterattacking innings by Mitchell Johnson didn't affect the outcome. See you at Lord's on Thursday.
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Originally posted by Jamat in Purgatory:
As a New Zealander I take some pride in the way NZ has contributed to the renaissance of English cricket.
The recent series with the kiwis has shown that there is a new way of thinking positively about test cricket. I am deeply sorry, of course for Australia (as if) but am confident they will get with the faster batting programme that the kiwis taught the English. Let's just hope for everyone's sake that England wins the ashes though!
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I don't think slow batting or defensive attitude were Australia's problems. Most fundamentally, they didn't adapt their bowling to the low(ish), slow pitch. And then they were undone by some superb English bowling: I haven't seen England bowl that well, that consistently for a very long time.
I'd also argue it's not really New Zealand who have stimulated this. Getting rid of Moores (who more and more appears to have been a millstone around the team's neck) and encouraging the players ignore the numbers and play the game like it's 2015 has been enough.
In fact, I think the only parut I agree with you about is that I won't be losing any sleep over Australia's discomfort!
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Jamat
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Well anytime is a good
time to celebrate an Aussie defeat.
All credit to the Brits. I wonder if the extra swing of the English ball as opposed to the Aussie kookaburra as well as a pitch that became a bit 2 paced and gave a bit of help to the spinners made the toss a good one to win
Re kiwis, they gave Cook's boys a terrific lead in to show quick scoring was the way to put pressure on opposition attack.
Cheers
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OK, so why were antipodean parents all calling their children Mitchell 25 or so years ago?
The Aussies have Starc, Marsh and Johnson in the side today, and the Kiwis have McClenagan and Santner.
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Tough day in the field so far.
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Absolutely what the series needs!
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Sioni Sais
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I suppose the good news for England is that Australia didn't make 400 on the first day. They have batted sensibly and at his rate will declare an hour before COP tomorrow with c 650 on the board ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Imaginary Friend
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The only other bit of good news is that the pitch is so placid that we have half a chance of batting for three days if we apply ourselves.
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Jamat
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The issue now is tactics. Cook needs to attack and forget about the score as on day 2 Clarke will go for quick runs so he can declare at lunch. This could bring quick wickets but if not, so what the score is irrelevant. When they bat the Brits need to dig in, not panic and frustrate the Aussie attack. They only need a draw out of this and the Aussies need a win.
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