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Sioni Sais
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I can't find the numbers but it seems that BBC Radio's Test Match Special is losing listeners, and with the current crew I don't hold much hope for improvement.
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Sandemaniac
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If they just talk amongst themselves a little less and describe the cricket a little more...
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Welease Woderwick
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15/4!! Are Cricinfo serious?
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betjemaniac
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well, this is going well....
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Sandemaniac
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21/5! Holy crap!
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Sipech
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29/6 - Unless Australia turn it round and win this and the final test match, with Clarke scoring unbeaten centuries in his 3 remaining innings, then he's toast.
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Legodude_uk
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Is it possible to make them follow on before we bat???
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Baptist Trainfan
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Or make two declarations and all go to the pub?
However their lowest Test Score of all time has apparently been exceeded (36 in 1902).
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Legodude_uk
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46-8 !!!
Stuart Broad
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Legodude_uk
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make that 47-9!!!
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Sandemaniac
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quote: Originally posted by Legodude_uk: Is it possible to make them follow on before we bat???
I think you can forfeit a first innings, though I'm fairly certain it's never been done in a test - or, if it has, down to weather rather than bowling the opposition out for stuff all.
AG
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Legodude_uk
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60...!!!
Broad 8-15
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Tukai
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Given the time zones, from here in Australia I usually watch only the first session of each day. But never in my wildest nightmares did I expect to see Australia all out by lunch on the first day. What a disgrace!
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: The pitch has something in it for bowlers but mostly the Australians batted like they were in Australia. Jimmy & co moved it just half or quarter a ball's width and that was enough. Two batsmen were out trying to leave the ball and another bowled playing no shot.
Broady and co today but again the Australians batted like they were back home. Nevill appears to be a walking wicket - bowled twice off-stump now with the ball cutting back.
Let's see how England fare before we get carried away.
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Uncle Pete
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What a pleasant dream for the ABA fans And at the hands of England! The only thing that would have made it better would have been at the hands of India. In Austrailia, of course! However, I digress.
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Sandemaniac: quote: Originally posted by Legodude_uk: Is it possible to make them follow on before we bat???
I think you can forfeit a first innings, though I'm fairly certain it's never been done in a test - or, if it has, down to weather rather than bowling the opposition out for stuff all.
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I believe some very early declarations have been made, usually on drying "sticky dog" wickets in Oz where the ball would do anything it damn well pleased after pitching. Turn, stop, shoot low, lift, anything. The bowler didn't know, let alone the batsman.
A wet jute matting wicket can do something like it under a hot sun, as did the celebrated Derbyshire v Lancashire match at Matlock in 1975 when Derbys were bowled out twice for very few after it had snowed the day after Lancs made about 500.
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Marvin the Martian
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quote: Originally posted by Sandemaniac: I think you can forfeit a first innings, though I'm fairly certain it's never been done in a test - or, if it has, down to weather rather than bowling the opposition out for stuff all.
SA v England, fifth test of the 99/00 tour. Both sides forfeited an innings due to rain in order to "make a game of it". England won.
The decision appears somewhat dubious in light of the subsequent match-fixing allegations (which resulted in a life ban) against South Africa's captain Hansie Cronje.
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Welease Woderwick
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Mitchell Johnson made the highest score [apart from Mr Extras] so should he be promoted to #3?
It was great to watch England holding their catches after a lifetime of butterfingers.
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Sandemaniac
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Well spotted Marvin, how could I forget that one? (probably wanted to forget it... though I remember at the time saying "If it gives England a win I'm all for it..."
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betjemaniac
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surely there's an argument here to move Mr Extras higher up the order than his current last man in?
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betjemaniac
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quote: Originally posted by Sipech: Now this is a bit cruel.
although, full marks to the chap who said "an aggressive 10* by Geoff Boycott"!
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Jammy Dodger
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quote: Originally posted by betjemaniac: surely there's an argument here to move Mr Extras higher up the order than his current last man in?
Totally. This is my personal favourite fact of the innings that Mr Extras scored more than his team-mates for the first time in Ashes history
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quote: Originally posted by Legodude_uk: 60...!!!
Broad 8-15
Dear oh dear. Never heard of such a bad innings. Was out for the evening, blinked and I missed it.
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Barnabas62
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England 250 for 3 (or the other way round if you like) - and Joe Root bags another excellent century.
Think I'll check the weather forecast ... well it looks like it's set fair until Sunday.
Now 260-odd for 3, Root and Bairstow still going strong. If it was a fight, the referee would stop it.
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Sioni Sais
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Shame about Bairstow, but the situation is where a game would normally be at the end of day 3! Australia's hope is that if England are bowled out tomorrow, there is enough time to make six hundred+ and have a day to bowl at England!
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I suspect the psychology in the Aussie dressing room might make that a bit tricky!
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Jamat
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Surely England can't lose from here but the Aussies are great pride players. To bat 2 days in a second innings the'd need Faf Du Plessis. I think Aussie lacks a good all rounder as Mitch Marsh was not picked so their bowlers face a huge mountain.
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Legodude_uk
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England collapse this morning... [ 07. August 2015, 10:56: Message edited by: Legodude_uk ]
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Sioni Sais
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England have already lost as many wickets today as they did yesterday: four for 68 v four for 264.
The forecast today is for partially cloudy, then cloudy: anyone for a two-day Test match?
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Legodude_uk
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Declaring just before lunch, couple of overs at the Aussies - will we need the afternoon session???
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Sioni Sais
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btw Legodude, Welcome Back!
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Legodude_uk
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Thanks it has been a while
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Sioni Sais
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Looks like England forgot to wipe the butter off their fingers after lunch
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Welease Woderwick
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Well done Australia for forcing the match into a third day!
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Oscar the Grouch
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So, where do the Aussies go from here?
Harris, Haddin and Watson are gone. Clarke may not even make it to the 5th Test (I'm betting he will just graciously step down and let Smith take over at the Oval). Rogers is gone after the Oval. Johnson probably hasn't got much left in him. The Marsh brothers look busted. Voges hasn't convinced and is mid 30s. As for the rest of the squad, none have looked very good. Smith has been found out. Hazelwood doesn't look like Test material.
So, what is the future for Aussie Test cricket?
Not that I care. I'm a Pommie Bastard. As far as I'm concerned, they deserve all the mockery they get.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Also....
Why bring Peter Siddle on tour if you're not going to play him, even when he's the ideal guy for the conditions? With a ball seaming and swinging, Siddle is probably the one most likely to get England into a sweat. If he's not good enough to replace the likes of Hazelwood, why bring him?
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Welease Woderwick
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I wonder how secure Darren Lehmann is feeling this morning.
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Jamat
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Totally with that Oscar. Yet Aussie kicked serious butt at Lords. All about the conditions perhaps. This current wicket seems like NZ in the 90s before drop in pitches happened! I think in conditions where swing and seam movement are happening then winning the toss is critical and Cook's decision to put them in on this wicket was obviously inspired.
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Welease Woderwick
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I wonder what odds are being offered on it being over by lunch.
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Sandemaniac
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I think they'd give you money to leave the bookies, Wodders, as it's now nine down and 87 behind!
AG
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Sioni Sais
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Seam and swing have played a part but the Australian batsmen haven't taken the conditions into account. They have looked as out-of-sorts as England often do at Brisbane and Perth. The different balls used (the Duke in England and the Kookaburra in Australia) play a part too.
Not only do some of the Australians appear to be at the end of their careers, I'm afraid some of the umpiring has, as Australians say, been pretty ordinary, but then a couple of them are short of experience in tests, let alone Ashes tests. [ 08. August 2015, 10:30: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]
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Jammy Dodger
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Wow. You would not have predicted this at the outset. England regaining the Ashes with a test in hand and in the most emphatic way possible. Still can't get my head around Thursday. Astonishing. But also the whole match over in less than 2.5 days? The test matches keep getting shorter. Will the Oval just be a Two Day International?
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Dark Knight
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Congratulations to England. Deserved it a hell of a lot more than our lads. All out for 60. That is a frothing tinny of fucked up. I still can't believe that actually happened. Let the purge commence. Pup has just fallen on his sword.
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Dark Knight: Congratulations to England. Deserved it a hell of a lot more than our lads. All out for 60. That is a frothing tinny of fucked up. I still can't believe that actually happened. Let the purge commence. Pup has just fallen on his sword.
England's players do sound pleased but not over the top. Clarke was very emotional after the match as the facts of retirement are dawning on him.
While Australia have been poor except for the war of attrition at Lord's (which their extra pace giving them the advantage) I'd hesitate to ditch half the touring squad as Punter suggests. They are getting on in years but are there plausible alternatives? Is the Academy system less effective at bringing on talent the old Sheffield Shield and Grade cricket? There seems to have been a lot of unfulfilled talent recently.
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I still can't wrap my brain around how well England have played, and how poorly Aussie have batted.
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Welease Woderwick
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Yes, Australia will have to retreat, lick their wounds and regroup - but they seem to regroup a lot faster than the other nations - they'll be back!
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Sandemaniac
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quote: Originally posted by Dark Knight: That is a frothing tinny of fucked up.
If I can just think of somewhere appropriate to use that I might just nick it!
I am a bit concerned that England have papered over the cracks - I don't think we ever batted for a full day's worth of overs - and have been flattered by whoever it was who has kidnapped the real Australia. Presumably Cricket Australia will be blackmailed by the result into paying the ransom.
AG
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Sandemaniac: quote: Originally posted by Dark Knight: That is a frothing tinny of fucked up.
If I can just think of somewhere appropriate to use that I might just nick it!
I am a bit concerned that England have papered over the cracks - I don't think we ever batted for a full day's worth of overs - and have been flattered by whoever it was who has kidnapped the real Australia. Presumably Cricket Australia will be blackmailed by the result into paying the ransom.
AG
The "Real Australia" will show up as soon as they play in conditions that don't allow seam and swing, ie, back home.
England just have to be more hard-nosed about Tests in this country and prepare the pitches to suit our skills and preferences; after all, every other country does!
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Jamat
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Just enjoying the moment. No pressure for the Oval. Clarke stole the after match by announcing his retirement. Stokes performance makes one want to claim him as a kiwi!
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