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Oh yes, I have both albums! As a blonde leggie I try to model myself on Warnie*, but I don't seem to be having a lot of luck getting my leg over Liz Hurley. Ho hum.

*well, I would if my action wasn't so redolent of Moulinexed amphibia.

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So there was another T20 - not that it made the slightest bit of difference, except to Dernbach's international career. Why does he keep getting picked?

I enjoyed an article in the week by Atherton on how New Zealand were punching above their weight - with Jesse Ryder back in the side, that's a lot of weight! A friend is a big fan (in more ways than one) - he reckons Jesse proves that "Fat bastards can still be sportsmen!".

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Sachin's just been awarded the Bharat Ratna .

Well done, him!

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So, KP has been put out to pasture in the fertile fields of the IPL. I can't help but think that this might be the best thing for England in the medium term. What do you think?

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It was coming.

Yes, in some ways the Botham of his generation, but even IB got that, at some point, you had to consider the team - KP doesn't seem to have worked that out.

Of course, if the MCC fail at all over the next couple of years all the KP fans will blame it on his exclusion...

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It will certainly make for a quieter life for England captains over the next couple of years. His batting will be missed - I believe even after the Ashes debacle his test average was still 47 - especially in the shorter games, but I think it'll be a much more stable team without him.

From what little I've heard he seems quite philosophical about it as well, which seems out of character. All rather interesting.

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It all seems so enigmatic, so now the tea-leaves are being read by various pundits - we read that Cook got fed up with KP, or he was a nuisance in the dressing room, etc.

Don't the fans deserve a fuller explanation? I feel cheated really; he was one of few English batsmen I would pay to watch, maybe Bell as well.

Scapegoat?

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Amazing.

2006-07. We lose an Ashes series, investigate, change things and recover to win three series in a row and, briefly, become #1 Test team (mostly it has to be said by changing the players).

2013-14. We lose an Ashes series. New Chief Exec sacks coach then, acting with under-pressure captain, new chairman of selectors, coach pro tem, previous coach and senior players discards our best batsman for at least twenty years in wake of a leading bowler's retirement, a top batsman's ill-health, loss of form by long-term first-choice wicket keeper and all round poor performance.

KP didn't have a good tour of Australia, but no England batsman did. He played some awful shots, but he was in company there too. Didn't all the batsmen, including the openers, persist in giving Australia's legside fielders catching practice?

It might turn out to be the right thing, but it is lousy timing with ODI & T20 tour of the West Indies coming up followed by the World T20. They could have been just the thing to regroup peacefully. The whole business, and I don't like to say it, looks like the new CEO and chairman of selectors throwing their weight around.

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Well, I find it bonkers, unless there is some major trauma which has not been revealed. It's always possible.

But it's all so secretive. Does it have to be like that?

I read Boycott saying that KP played some stupid shots in Australia - hello, Geoffrey, so did all the other England batsmen.

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Geoffrey himself played one or two in his career!

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Geoffrey himself played one or two in his career!

Yes, I remember Geoffrey playing about that many shots. [Snore]

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Peterson was a greatly talented misfit. He antagonised those in every team he played for, whether in SA or the UK.

The Telegraph carried an illuminating article describing his demise as a modern morality play. Basically that modernism with its emphasis on the individual and celebrity means that subordinating ones ego to the team is out of order.

KP is the cricketing equivalent of a tele-evangelist. They make pots of money. And they all inevitably bite the dust.

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quote:
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Peterson was a greatly talented misfit. He antagonised those in every team he played for, whether in SA or the UK.

Not quite: I'm reliably informed they'd welcome him back with open arms at Surrey. But perhaps that's the exception which highlights your overall point. [Smile]


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The Telegraph carried an illuminating article describing his demise as a modern morality play. Basically that modernism with its emphasis on the individual and celebrity means that subordinating ones ego to the team is out of order.

I think you could find plenty of modern sportspeople who have no problem "subordinating" themselves to the team.

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KP is the cricketing equivalent of a tele-evangelist. They make pots of money. And they all inevitably bite the dust.

Yeah... No.

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quote:
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The Telegraph carried an illuminating article describing his demise as a modern morality play. Basically that modernism with its emphasis on the individual and celebrity means that subordinating ones ego to the team is out of order.

I think you could find plenty of modern sportspeople who have no problem "subordinating" themselves to the team.


Then again batsmen are a special case. To be remotely effective in top-class cricket means that they have to play their own way and that is a mixture of the physical and mental. After all, how many chances does a batsman get? A bowler gets about a hundred opportunities to dismiss a batsman while for a batsman, one error and you're sat there for hours, unable to score a run.

I'd suggest it's for the team to adapt itself to the best players available. Cricket has had its share of primadonnas and utter bastards for that matter but plenty of teams have been successful despite animosity - by all accounts the Yorkshire dressing room in the 1960's wasn't a pleasant place, shown by many players moving on or quitting the game, but it didn't prevent the team from winning stacks of trophies.

As for The Telegraph, it ought to do a bit more journalism and a bit less po-faced, fourth form philosophy.

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So, KP has been put out to pasture in the fertile fields of the IPL. I can't help but think that this might be the best thing for England in the medium term. What do you think?

It's not bad for KP personally either : I gather that he has just today pocketed a million quid for working a dozen or so afternoons in the IPL.

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Meanwhile in South Africa, Sean Marsh, who was picked against all form (first class average of 25 in past 2 years),bobs up to make a century.

Not that I saw any of it, owing to timezones, more's the pity.

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Plus, MJ has ripped into the SA top order. Hosts have already lost four wickets. Aus on top, but very early still.

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That's very impressive stuff - SA did well to keep Australia to below 400, especially given how many runs Marsh and Smith made, but now they're in a nasty puddle left behind by the England team.

A thought - has Johnson been getting Siddle's meat ration as well as his own?

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I'm not one to enjoy Australia playing well but it's reassuring to see another side's batsmen and bowlers struggle. Puts things in perspective. Maybe Carberry isn't such a bad player after all.

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And in more important news, India is 100-2 at stumps having sent off NZ quickish for 192. Sharma got 6 wickets! on the first day of the second test in Wellington.

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quote:
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And in more important news, India is 100-2 at stumps having sent off NZ quickish for 192. Sharma got 6 wickets! on the first day of the second test in Wellington.

Sharma! There's a name from the past. I thought he was little more than a net bowler nowadays.

Meanwhile, from the department of "Anything you can do, I can do better", South Africa are 206 all out, Johnson 7 wickets.

(edited for S.A all out)

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I haven't see any of the NZ-IND match. Have India been that good? Or have NZ been that bad?
Apparently our selectors knew by consulting the entrails of sheep that Shaun Marsh was ready to start scoring again. Bizarre. Aus will probably declare soon after he gets his half century (which looks likely, but of course is not guaranteed). SA are up shit's creek.

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I haven't see any of the NZ-IND match. Have India been that good? Or have NZ been that bad?
Apparently our selectors knew by consulting the entrails of sheep that Shaun Marsh was ready to start scoring again. Bizarre. Aus will probably declare soon after he gets his half century (which looks likely, but of course is not guaranteed). SA are up shit's creek.

Selecting Alex Doolan looks inspired too. Took his time then got stuck in. It might not be a great Australian side but right now it is very Australian, very together and enough people are in form to make it successful.

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SA well and truly walloped.

I wonder why Smith chose to field first on a wicket that was bound to deteriorate? Not that it would have made much difference as things turned out.

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SA well and truly walloped.

I wonder why Smith chose to field first on a wicket that was bound to deteriorate? Not that it would have made much difference as things turned out.

He probably hoped that the wicket would better on days 2 and 3 than on day 1. Problem was that SA's bowlers and especially their fielders weren't on form. Australia, in the field, are such a powerful unit that their opponents do well to pass 250, which isn't enough in Test cricket.

If I were Smith I'd instruct his batsmen to play the ball wherever Mitchell Johnson is fielding. They might not get so many runs but if he has to save one or two every over, it will affect his stamina and that will affect his bowling. After all, he bowls short spells. Heck you've got to do something about him and bowling to injure the guy isn't on.

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The NZ-IND match really turned around! 302 for McCullom! Extraordinary in the second innings.

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Unfortunately I couldnt get to the Basin to watch McCullum's 300 cos I had to work, but it's been a great day and a fantastic summer for NZ cricket.

Taylor's 3 centuries vs the Windies. Anderson's WR century. Beating both the Windies and India. And now this.

It feels good to be a Kiwi cricket fan for once. [Big Grin]

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*desperately searches for Kiwi relation so he can claim NZ as his own*

No, seriously, NZ deserve huge respect for what they've achieved this summer, as does McCullum and, of course, the rest of the team who have stood around him.

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quote:
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]Selecting Alex Doolan looks inspired too. ....... It might not be a great Australian side but right now it is very Australian, very together and enough people are in form to make it successful.

It no longer seemed that way in the second test!

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Indeed - that last-session collapse (prolapse?) was straight out of the England Team Handbook!

I await the third test with considerable interest.

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The entire England team, with more coaches, analysts, managers than players and that damn diet book couldn't beat Australia, but I big them up and they underperform (at last).

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quote:
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Indeed - that last-session collapse (prolapse?) was straight out of the England Team Handbook!

I await the third test with considerable interest.

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I with considerable apprehension.

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Warner's performed well, despite all the bullshit.
And Clarke has fought admirably against a brutal pace attack.
Aus in good shape.

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The series in SA really is shaping as a Battle of the Giants. Test cricket at its best.

Example: It takes a very good ball to dismiss Amla once he's set (ask the England lot against which he got 300!). So Ryan Harris bowled him with a beautiful fast inswinger, as good as some of Steyn's in the previous test.

A pity (for spectators though not for Aussie batters!) that Steyn has been hamstring for much of the deciding match of the series.

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Granted, it was looking that way for a while. Aus are well and truly on top now. I hear Steyn will be back in the attack today. Let's see what he can manage. I think the damage has probably already been done.

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Another ton for Warner! Maybe the guy's a Test batsman after all.

South Africa looked doomed at tea. 15/3, Smith gone, nearly 500 still needed and four sessions to go. Boy are they missing Jacques Kallis. It'll be one heck of a save to draw this match, and the series.

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It would be awe-inspiring if they managed somehow to win, impressive if they managed to draw. It's been a proper rollercoaster of a series! I'm guessing that DK is a bit less apprehensive now? [Big Grin]

In rather more bizarre news, Abdur Rehman records figures of 0-0-8-0.

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Over the last few days we've been watching the Asia Cup from Fatullah in Bangladesh and although some of the cricket has been rivetting what has been more entertaining has been watching the reactions of the crowd - particularly the Rubenesque and conservatively dressed Pakistani and Bangladeshi matrons screaming their support for their team of choice - or screaming imprecations at the umpires!

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...and Australia finally clinch victory, and 2-1 in the series, with 27 balls remaining after a dramatic, hard fought, resistance from the South African tail.

How's the bum, DK? Must have been getting pretty squeaky!

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Dark Knight

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Just happy it's over. In Rhino we trust. [Yipee]
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And England have won a series!

OK, it's only three ODI's against the Windies (without Chris Gayle) and we blew one and nearly another but a win's a win.

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Dark Knight

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I didn't recognise some of the names I saw on the roster. Where were they during the Ashes? Is the English one day team completely different from the Test side?
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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
I didn't recognise some of the names I saw on the roster. Where were they during the Ashes? Is the English one day team completely different from the Test side?

There are certainly a few who haven't played Test cricket (Parry, Jordan, Lumb) and others who haven't played Tests for a while, like Bopara and Morgan, who seem to be regarded as limited over specialists. Maybe the absence of "the defeated" has raised morale, though that could be a dead cat bounce.

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I think that, given the T20 World Cup follows the Windies series so closely, that they've sent out the T20 squad rather than the full one-day squad, so it's even more unlike the Test squad (except that they've just lost, in which the resemblance is spot on).

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Oh boy. If you're going to punch something, at least keep your batting gloves on!

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One of today's 20/20 matches was Ireland v. Zimbabwe. Ireland won, but in my opinion, didn't really deserve it. Zimbabwe made them work for it - the game was tied at 49.5 and the last ball was a Hail Mary kind of bowling and a Glory be from Ireland.

Ah, well, the lads will celebrate Patrick's saint's day tonight.

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Uncle Pete

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And today the Nederlands battered their way into the "Super 10" by defeating Ireland, and not only defeating them but doing it in 13.5 overs. A successful chase of 190.

It was an amazing game and Myfield got man of the match for his 62 off 28 balls*

*I may have the figure wrong, but not that wrong

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Sandemaniac
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Did I mention that I've had the Dutch captain dropped off my bowling?

I did?

[Hot and Hormonal]

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Uncle Pete

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Pakistan bowled Australia out for 175. What a shame! [Big Grin]

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Welease Woderwick

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This edition of the Twenty20 World Cup has produced some real nail-biting cricket - long may it continue.

On other matters: in six years time we face the prospect of:

Twenty20 2020 World Cup

sounds like fun!

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