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Welease Woderwick
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Could this be the match when Australia lose one in Sri Lanka? Currently they need another 127 with 3 wickets remaining.
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Yes, yes it is!
But I was hoping this would be the 1000th post!
Congrats Sri Lanka for their second ever win. I feared the weather would save the OZ despite some immense 9th wicket batting.
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Welease Woderwick
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O'Keele was amazing, huge respect for that knock.
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Welease Woderwick
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I don't think there is any way the Windies can win the current Test in Jamaica but Tropical Storm Earl may still hand them a draw.
So frustrating but then that's cricket!
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Welease Woderwick
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Congratulations to the Windies for pulling off the draw when their backs were well and truly up against the wall. A superb effort.
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Welease Woderwick
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It has not happened yet but it looks like first innings lead to Pakistan.
And I think the Aussies are due a could do better report card, just like me in my schooldays half a century ago.
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England have had a pretty good day so far against Pakistan. and Jimmy Anderson has another wicket which goes down as "bowled" while the batsman has actually played on. Has any other bowler taken so many wickets this way?
But now he's been barred from bowling for running on the pitch, which will only be to Yasir's benefit anyway.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Could this be the match when Australia lose one in Sri Lanka? Currently they need another 127 with 3 wickets remaining.
This one too. At the end of an action-packed day Australia need the thick end of 400 runs and have lost three wickets. Sri Lanka have shown their intent by opening with their slow bowlers: I like to see slow bowlers with a new ball, they can do amazing things if they get any grip on it, like bowl a "throat ball" at openers who take them on!
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Welease Woderwick
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Day 3, session 2 and Australia need 239 runs with 2 wickets remaining - I reckon they'll be lucky to make tea break!
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Welease Woderwick
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...and a win by 229 runs with Australia batting just 84 overs in their 2 innings! There will be a few instances of drunkenness on the Island tonight...
...or this afternoon!
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Sioni Sais
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...and a win by 229 runs with Australia batting just 84 overs in their 2 innings! There will be a few instances of drunkenness on the Island tonight...
...or this afternoon!
Quite a turnaround from a dismal soggy spring against England. Then again only six of the Sri Lanka players in the first Test of that series played in this Test.
CricInfo reports that this is Australia's eighth straight Test Match loss in Asia. C'mon Aussie, that's the sort of thing England do!
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Welease Woderwick
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New Zealand did a tour to the subcontinent a year or three ago and returned having lost every match they played!
Quite an impressive record and unusual for a team that normally plays above its strength.
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Most unlikely win by England. A few overs of reverse swing, a few really good deliveries, and suddenly a Pakistan collapse. A probable draw became an England win. Unusually, all five mainline bowlers take two wickets each.
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Most unlikely win by England. A few overs of reverse swing, a few really good deliveries, and suddenly a Pakistan collapse. A probable draw became an England win. Unusually, all five mainline bowlers take two wickets each.
Definitely a Game of Two Halves. Until lunch on day 3 it was all Pakistan (they were 336-5). From then on, it was all England.
I feel that if Pakistan want to win at the Oval they need a fifth bowler to dismiss England twice, because England have sorted out Yasir Khan and their four-bowler attack looked knackered in the England second innings.
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England and Pakistan appear to be trying to recreate the Edgbaston test, with a very similar sort of day and score on the first day. I wonder how this will unfold?
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Sioni Sais
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The first session on Day 2 has definitely been Pakistan's, as it was in the last Test. England have helped them immensely by dropping not one, not two but three catches! 97-2 is much better than, say, 70-5.
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Pakistan dropped a few when we batted too, so I guess we're about even.
Mind you, what does it take for England to put two performances together? Still so inconsistent.
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From an English perspective that was a disappointing end to a very good series. I think 2-2 was a reasonable reflection of the teams, although both played some superb cricket at times. Just think what they'd be like if they managed to find a bit of consistency!
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I'm with Michael Vaughan on this on - "what a pity there isn't a 5th test"....
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From an English perspective that was a disappointing end to a very good series. I think 2-2 was a reasonable reflection of the teams, although both played some superb cricket at times. Just think what they'd be like if they managed to find a bit of consistency!
We are consistent! With the exception of Root and Cook our top order doesn't deliver while 6, 7 and 8 do!
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England wont get far without another opening bat and a spinner who can bowl as well as bat.
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England wont get far without another opening bat and a spinner who can bowl as well as bat.
Yes and maybe. Nobody had a good word for Ashley Giles for years, but he did a decent job without setting the world alight. Remember the Aussie jibes about the "King of Spain"? We also need at least one more top-order batsman in place of Vince and/or Ballance.
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In hindsight Rashid would have been a better pick than Vince for the Oval test. Should the selectors have had sufficient foresight?
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England wont get far without another opening bat and a spinner who can bowl as well as bat.
Yes and maybe. Nobody had a good word for Ashley Giles for years, but he did a decent job without setting the world alight. Remember the Aussie jibes about the "King of Spain"? We also need at least one more top-order batsman in place of Vince and/or Ballance.
Slightly controversially, I'd be tempted to stick with Ballance for now - he's not performed against Pakistan, but he has done enough in the past to warrant a bit of faith I think. Vince on the other hand should be making plans for a long holiday this winter.
Moeen Ali is a funny one - he's not a world class spinner, but as Sir Geoffrey says, he does have an irritating (to his legions of knockers) habit of taking wickets despite this. He's also pretty handy with the bat. If it came to a Moeen v Rashid contest, I'd unhesitatingly stick with Moeen - and not just because he plays for Worcestershire. I
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Given that (IIRC) we're touring Bangladesh and India this winter, might Moeen and Rashid both play?
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Given that (IIRC) we're touring Bangladesh and India this winter, might Moeen and Rashid both play?
I hope so, if only on the basis that they are competent batsmen and England struggle to find four top-order batsmen let alone five (or six) I would play both, plus Stokes, Woakes, Broad and Anderson, with Bairstow at five.
Goodness who else should be selected to keep Cook and Root company.
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Cook, Root, Bairstow, plus the six bowlers you mention gives two slots free (probably at 2 and 4). Personally, I wouldn't take Vince if there is anyone even half in the running to replace him. Hales is a difficult one though, and not just because the journalists I've read seem to suggest that there's nobody champing at the bit to take his place. The selectors could give him the Bangladesh series as a free hit. But if he fails, throwing a newbie in at the deep end in India might not be a risk that we want to take.
Tricky.
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Well, that was some innings! England just broke the world record for the highest score ever in a One Day International, just beating the Sri Lankan's previous record by 1, with a nice Nelson total of 444.
Now, anyone remember the 12th of March 2006, when Australia broke the world record by batting first?
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Well, that was some innings! England just broke the world record for the highest score ever in a One Day International, just beating the Sri Lankan's previous record by 1, with a nice Nelson total of 444.
Now, anyone remember the 12th of March 2006, when Australia broke the world record by batting first?
Yes, it did them no good at all! South Africa came out and chased down the total.
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I'd be willing to stake a fiver on Pakistan not emulating the feat.
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So, the laptop boys in the dressing room are looking smug with an 82.16% chance of victory then?
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Having played at the previous holder, I must confess to a twinge of sadness at Trent Bridge taking the record for most runs in an ODI innings. What an absolutely gobsmacking match, though.
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After the feast of runs at Trent Bridge that old curmudgeon Angus Fraser has described batting dominated limited overs cricket as boring.
I'm old enough to remember the early days of limited overs cricket, when Pakistan's score (275) would probably win two-thirds of the time.
Gus must have forgotten that with most counties fielding a bowling "attack" of five trundlers, or one West Indian and four trundlers, bowling on a typically sodden or tired English pitch with few fielding restrictions, it was a real struggle for batsmen to get in, stay in and score quickly. Bowlers placed the ball outside off stump, short of a length, seam up, and waited for wickets. They didn't have to wait long. Now that was boring.
OK, not all the changes have been beneficial (short boundaries, excessive restrictions on fielders) but batsmen can generally be braver now with helmets and most have learnt a lot about pacing an innings and innovating from T20.
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I think the short boundaries and ridiculously thick bats are the two crucial things. Proper Cricket™, both bowling and batting, are about knowing exactly how much to risk. Due to those two changes, a batsman can make a mistake (i.e., get an edge) and score a six. In that sense, there's now no risk to attacking. On the other hand, the bowlers can't risk anything because they're already going at fifty an over* just trying to be defensive. I agree with Gus in the sense that turning cricket into a competition for who can hit the ball furthest is pretty boring. But I'm also not advocating a return to the Seventies. Just a tweak in the balance of power so that bowlers have a chance and batsmen have to think about what they're doing.
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A different kind of ODI, but England win again! Gus Fraser's point that lower scores make for better matches is true, but England kept their composure after being 72-4 but finishing is much easier when you don't have a "tail" - all eleven in the team today have a first-class century to their name.
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England's selections for the Bangladesh tour are sensible, giving some newcomers that inclusion with the squad, valuable in itself, plus the likelihood of playing. There's nothing worse than being selected as a travelling reserve and net bowler. Hameed is sure to start as the only opener other than Captain Cook while Duckett and Balance appear to be in a straight fight for the #3 spot. I've less idea about the bowling but Wood, rather than Finn, ought to play if Anderson or Broad don't deliver.
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I'm a bit nonplussed by the inclusion of Gareth Batty. Is there really no young finger spinner we could have taken instead? Surely experience playing on the Subcontinent would be invaluable for them?!
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I'm a bit nonplussed by the inclusion of Gareth Batty. Is there really no young finger spinner we could have taken instead? Surely experience playing on the Subcontinent would be invaluable for them?!
Maybe the selectors are thinking back to Shaun Udal and Ian Blackwell and possibly even Mike Watkinson. None of them played many tests but they were all good, solid, experienced county pros who wouldn't worry about batsmen lashing them over midwicket.
Then again, I'm not sure Batty fits that bill: does he have the temperament for five hot sticky days in Chittagong.
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Is that the cricketing equivalent of "yeah, but can he do it on a wet, windy, Wednesday night in Stoke?"??!!
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It's looking like a gripping last day of the county championship. Much as I'd like to see Yorkshire win a third straight Div 1 title, wouldn't it be a great tribute to Trescothick if Somerset won? And Middlesex still in the hunt...
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Meanwhile, at the other end of the table, it looks like Warwickshire will beat Lancashire, so I have to hope Durham don't lose to Hampshire.
At the top I'm hoping for a draw at Lord's so Somerset win.
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No draw at Lord's, but Middlesex won in dramatic fashion with a hat-trick! Somerset must be sick but it wasn't the first "contrived finish" this season. Durham beat Hampshire so Lancashire survive, despite not winning since May!
My award for courage goes to James Hildreth for batting for four hours and making a hundred with the aid of painkillers and a runner, despite what turned out to be a broken ankle. There are pictures of his bruised ankle on Cricinfo - you've been warned.
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Although I don't much follow county cricket these days I'm a bit chuffed that Middlesex won the title. It seems to have been a great game.
Meanwhile India look set fair to win in Kanpur - last time the Kiwis were over here they toured Bangladesh then India and went home having not won a match, I rather hope they can do better this time. Yes, I want India to win but...
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...and in a somewhat surreal end to the season my team made 258-7 in 35 overs having been 9-5. We then bowled the opposition out for under 100 with one bowler taking five for six - all wides, no runs off the bat - and I weighed in at the other end with a career-best 5-46. I've played when the guy at the other end took all ten, but I'm pretty certain that I've never played in a game where two bowlers both took five-fors.
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NZ vs India.
The kiwis look to be getting rolled in the first test at Kanpur. They played well in that after a lost toss restricting India to around 300 in first innings but then were bowled out 63 behind. India capitalised on exhausted NZ bowlers to get over 300 ahead and facing day 5 NZ is 4 down for not a lot.
Victory for India looming (sigh).
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...(I won't mention the duck...)
A l'orange?
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Titter ye not, that sort of thing has been served up as a voodoo offering when batting form has deserted me (only ever happens on Sundays ending in Y).
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So the Kiwis need 376 to win with 5 and a bit sessions to go which is 50 or so more than anyone has ever made in the 4th innings at Eden Gardens.
It all sounds like excellent fun.
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So the Kiwis need 376 to win with 5 and a bit sessions to go which is 50 or so more than anyone has ever made in the 4th innings at Eden Gardens.
It all sounds like excellent fun.
And they do not have their best player. And the pitch is dodgy. Be a cricketing miracle for them to even draw let alone win
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Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
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It's all over with a day to spare and India move to Number One in the Test rankings!
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I give thanks for unknown blessings already on their way.
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