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European football will find them out this year. Reckon United may replace them in the top four.

And who can't wait for Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema, and the rest to pitch up at Anfield and have a run at Liverpool's defence? [Killing me]

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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
European football will find them out this year. Reckon United may replace them in the top four.

And who can't wait for Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema, and the rest to pitch up at Anfield and have a run at Liverpool's defence? [Killing me]

Bale man-to-man against Glen Johnson anyone? Could be the worst match-up at right-back since Man City played James Milner there(-ish) against Everton, pitting him against Baines and Pienaar.

I've long thought Jon Flanagan better than Johnson.

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What a pity Liverpool have missed the transfer window. It seems they could do with strengthening their squad.

[Killing me]

You're a Man U fan, right? What a pity they've spunked so much money on attackers and forgot about the defence.

Do I fancy Southampton to finish above Man U this season? I think I might... [Big Grin]

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See, that annoys me. We go and paste the mighty QPR but then lose to the piss pots from Leicester.

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Frank. [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
See, that annoys me. We go and paste the mighty QPR but then lose to the piss pots from Leicester.

Maybe the difference is that Harry Redknapp's 'Off you go, lads, and run about a bit' approach meant your superior players could just do their thing and win easily, whereas Nigel Pearson actually knows about tactics and clever stuff like that, which helped to nullify the difference in player quality.

I can't stand Harry Redknapp, so perhaps this is not a reasoned analysis...

Either way, Man U let in 5 against a newly promoted team. [Killing me]

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Meanwhile, Everton's all-star defence (US international 'keeper, three current England internationals in the back four) let in three against Crystal Palace. WTF?

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It was a bad result. No hiding, no excuses. LVG was honest enough about it; we were too focused on scoring rather than defending.

Yes we bought great attacking players in the window and not enough great defenders.

But I reckon we will learn more from this defeat and its manner than if we had won 3-1 and left the cracks covered over.

What do you think the focus will be on at Carrington this week? I think it will be on defending!

We are always going to score. We need to learn to protect that lead. I think we have the players that ought to be able do it against the likes of Leicester.

Bear in mind that this season we only need a defence that is good enough for the Premiership, not the Champions League. We can buy those defenders later.

Against Manchester City or Chelsea it might be different, but I don't believe the rest of the Premiership sides have exceptionally high-quality forwards and we should be able to keep them out with the defenders we've got. At least until January when we can buy better ones.

At the very least we should be able to close a game down and protect a 3-1 lead. I mean we don't have to leave the back exposed at that stage in order to push forward to get a goal.

So I reckon the team will be having a very uncomfortable and detailed conversation with Mr Van Gaal this morning, and a coaching session designed to assist them in becoming more defensive minded.

But in reality, if we fix that, then we will hurt the other Premiership teams!

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The matter is not how much the team will focus on defending in its training sessions. The matter is how much players like Evans, Jones and Smalling are truly capable of getting out of that training.

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Ouch.

I was too much to expect Wednesday to upset Man City in a cup tie, but that score really points up the gap between the top flight and all the rest.

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Ouch.

I was too much to expect Wednesday to upset Man City in a cup tie, but that score really points up the gap between the top flight and all the rest.

Was hoping no one would mention that...

Was listening on the radio and it sounded like we held our own in the 1st half, but then as soon as Lampard scored we just collapsed. Having a man sent off didn't help, either...

Not a lot you can do after that, I guess, other than chalk it up to experience and get on with the league, where we're doing quite well actually (for once).

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I forgot to call my ccollleague at school who is a Goonie and gloat when the Arseholes were in seventh and my Spurs were in a three-way draw for fourth earlier this month. I may not get another opportunity...

[brick wall] [Disappointed]

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Phil Jagielka's 25-yarder this afternoon? Goal of the season for so many reasons:

- game importance (Merseyside Derby, equaliser)
- time of the game (92nd minute)
- great goal! half-volley, going away from the 'keeper. Three keepers wouldn't have stopped it
- top player. I suppose it could only have been beaten by Hibbo scoring
- and finally, exactly the right place: at the Kop end!

[ 27. September 2014, 21:29: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

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Ok, the joke's over. Where are the real Southampton FC and who are these imposters who keep on winning matches??? [Two face]

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Ok, the joke's over. Where are the real Southampton FC and who are these imposters who keep on winning matches??? [Two face]

The "real ones" are drawing stupid wages at the Rich Clubs in Red. Good business by Pochettino - shades of Rodwell, Lescott and Fellaini.

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I think the technical term for Jagielka's goal was "a thunderbastard". Hell of a strike, for sure. And it's soooooooo fun to see the look on the faces of those poor people in the Kop as their bubble of entitlement is burst. Superb!

Meanwhile, Chelsea power on. Diego "goal pig" Costa bags another - that's eight in six league games for him now - and just as importantly, it looks like Oscar is coming back into form. Clearly, a home tie against Villa is not the sternest test that we shall have this season, but it's the type of game we might have struggled in last year.

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I think the technical term for Jagielka's goal was "a thunderbastard". Hell of a strike, for sure. And it's soooooooo fun to see the look on the faces of those poor people in the Kop as their bubble of entitlement is burst. Superb!


There's a pic on an Everton fan site on FB, from behind Tim Howard's goal, showing the look on Kopites faces as the ball dropped in front of Jags. Just before it was struck, there's one guy, in full red kit, with his hands on this head in a sort of "Oh nooo!" gesture.

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quote:
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Ok, the joke's over. Where are the real Southampton FC and who are these imposters who keep on winning matches??? [Two face]

The "real ones" are drawing stupid wages at the Rich Clubs in Red. Good business by Pochettino - shades of Rodwell, Lescott and Fellaini.
They may be drawing stupid wages, but not many of them are actually getting to play! Poor old Ricky Lambert - not such a great gig after all.

[ 28. September 2014, 17:56: Message edited by: Starbug ]

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I guess a 1-1 draw is the best we could have gotten. Oh well.

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I must have bored you about the Division 5 team that I go and watch here in Stockholm? Next Sunday is the final round of fixtures in the league (football is a summer sport here) and we have a first versus second title decider! Långholmen (that's us!) are at home, and need a draw or better to win the league. It's certain that Handels (the other lot) will come out swinging, so it's going to be a cracking game!

Come on you Stripes!!

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That sounds like proper football, iF, with more people on the pitch than watching. And that includes subs and coaches.

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I must have bored you about the Division 5 team that I go and watch here in Stockholm? Next Sunday is the final round of fixtures in the league (football is a summer sport here) and we have a first versus second title decider! Långholmen (that's us!) are at home, and need a draw or better to win the league. It's certain that Handels (the other lot) will come out swinging, so it's going to be a cracking game!

Come on you Stripes!!

Långholmen is the old prison, and Handels is the School of Economics, so really quite an interesting social background to that match!

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Indeed, JFK, this has been noted! Långholmen FC are an expat team, have a club crest which references the old prison, and play in Newcastle-esque black and white stripes*. Last week's game was probably the first time there were clearly more spectators than players: a crowd of thirty or so full of pre-match beers and complete with flares. Fun times!

Anyhow, I'll let you all get back to the regular programming now. Reckon your lot have any chance on Sunday, JFK? [Biased]


* Which leads to one of our favourite songs "We're black, we're white, we don't speak Swedish right, Långholmen, Långholmen"!

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JFK is dead; sorry! What side do you support, JFH? I am not the only Spurs supporter on the Ship: one of my fb friends who is a Shipmate supports them also!

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Oops. [Hot and Hormonal]

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Although, it does make me think. An Arsenal fan named after Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. I presume that's accidental? [Biased]

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Oh, I don't follow English football much during the Swedish season. Get back to me in November!

As for now, my one and only love is IFK Gothenburg, in blue and white stripes, known for having positive stats against Man Utd and together with Real Madrid and Spurs being one of only a handful clubs that have won the UEFA Cup twice!

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I did not know that!

Jag kan talar liten Svenska....

(I took two courses as a Freshman at University of California in 1972-3. I wanted to replace my Swedish ex-girlfriend from a few years earlier with a newer model so I fancied becoming an exchange student at University of Lund. I finished my studies at San Diego State where the language was not offered. My marks likely weren't good enough anyway, but I do miss the dulcet tones of my old professor speaking Sudrasvenska as opposed to Television Swedish.....)

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MLS getting down to the nitty gritty of who is going to make the playoffs.

Toronto is in tough and needed to win last Saturday badly.

Went down by 2 in the first 20 minutes. Didn't look like scoring. Supporters either restless or defeated.
Got 2 goals back within around the 60th minute mark.
Got very very loud.
Winner in the 90th minute.
Thunderous noise.


A reminder that come backs are the best buzz in football.

Going to get tonked this weekend by LAG with Keane in very very fine form of course, but memories of that game on Saturday will linger with me for a long time.

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Everton losing, especially to Man U was annoying and disappointing but north of the border Celtic are not having things their own way, despite the lengthy absence of Rangers.

It's early days but right now the Scottish Premiership is led by the mighty Accies! Yes, Hamilton Academicals lead after beating Celtic on their own patch for the first time since 1938.

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quote:
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Everton losing, especially to Man U was annoying and disappointing but north of the border Celtic are not having things their own way, despite the lengthy absence of Rangers.

It's early days but right now the Scottish Premiership is led by the mighty Accies! Yes, Hamilton Academicals lead after beating Celtic on their own patch for the first time since 1938.

Ha.... That's good! The mighty toffees lose and we go into the top four for the first time in a year. So you want to chat about Scottish football? Okay, I'll match your talking points.... Did anyone catch the REAL match yesterday? Chesterfield 3 Sheffield United 2 in League one. Fantastic stuff! Slap the piggies back to dee-dar land!

Anyway, today reminds me of 2008 when we were in eighth, six points behind Chelsea at the top, at the start of October. If I remember correctly six months later we won our eleventh Premiership. It feels okay to me at the moment. Might be even better come January when we spend even more money!

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Concussions.

Pundits still putting cheating as more important to prevent then permanent brain damage.

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Real football? I'll match your Real Football!

Just in case anyone's interested, Långholmen won the final game, top-of-the-table, league-winning, promotion-granting match 3-1 against Handels.

We are going up, say we are going up!!

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So, who wants the 2022 world cup finals played in November because the heat in Qatar is so fierce in the summer?

Or to move the winter olympics around so it can be played in January or February?

Controversial eh? Who'd have thought awarding Qatar the World Cup finals would be controversial?

Or perhaps the European Champions League, Europa league, Premiership, Bundesliga, La Liga, Seria A and so on may have other, more pressing financial points to raise.

Me? I'd cancel it, have an 8 year gap and pick up when common sense has broken out. Club is more important than country.

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Thing is, it's too expensive to skip over the world's largest event completely. The world just can't afford it. Also, the last time it was cancelled was in 1942. The World Cup has survived ever since, and cancelling it would send an odd signal about the state of the world.

I think it will be moved, though. Not sure where. Perhaps to India, if they can get their professional league working in time to become a contender, or perhaps to China if the Chinese football and economy continue to grow as it has in recent years...

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Must contact my colleague and friend who is a Goonie, so I can gloat over Arsenal being out of the top 6!

My Spurs are in a draw for fourth!

His side is mired in eighth.

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My Spurs are in a draw for fourth!

Er no. You're in 6th. On goal difference. It isn't the same as being in 4th. You won't qualify for the Champions League in 6th.

We are in 4th. We will qualify.

Get back down there where you lot belong!

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My basic rule of thumb is that the league table is pretty meaningless until at least 10 games have been played. So you're both wrong!

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Thing is, it's too expensive to skip over the world's largest event completely. The world just can't afford it. Also, the last time it was cancelled was in 1942. The World Cup has survived ever since, and cancelling it would send an odd signal about the state of the world.

I think it will be moved, though. Not sure where. Perhaps to India, if they can get their professional league working in time to become a contender, or perhaps to China if the Chinese football and economy continue to grow as it has in recent years...

They should give it to England.
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I agree!

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I suspect other nations might find that rather... Eurocentric. How about Australia?

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FWIW I think the rise of clubs as global brands is making the World Cup, and similar inter-national competitions less important. It isn't simply that the World Cup, European Nations Cup, Copa America and African Cup of Nations are inconvenient, just that they don't galvanise the supporters as they did only twenty years ago.

The big European leagues are the showpieces now and unless the 2018 World Cup takes place (not certain, given an increasingly erratic Vladimir Putin) and is a roaring triumph, then there's every chance the 2022 edition won't happen and the competition consigned to history.

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The World Cup is still the world's greatest event by far. To call it dying seems to be a slight exaggeration.

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quote:
Originally posted by An die Freude:
Thing is, it's too expensive to skip over the world's largest event completely. The world just can't afford it. Also, the last time it was cancelled was in 1942. The World Cup has survived ever since, and cancelling it would send an odd signal about the state of the world.

I think it will be moved, though. Not sure where. Perhaps to India, if they can get their professional league working in time to become a contender, or perhaps to China if the Chinese football and economy continue to grow as it has in recent years...

Offering my two-penneth....

Never underestimate the cunning and stubborn nature of Sepp Blatter. It would be a major climb-down on his part to allow the WC to be moved. Although he has offered comments that suggest he, personally, was against Qatar, it would be a severe undermining of his authority if the 2022 WC were to be moved to another county.

On the other hand, moving the timing of the WC would inconvenience EUFA - something I am sure Blatter could live with quite happily. I suspect that, unless something happens which absolutely blows things out of the water, the 2022 WC will be in Qatar in the winter of early 2022, or possibly in November/December of that year. Blatter will dare the European clubs to challenge him. After much huffing and puffing, they will back down.

Why? Two words - TV money. The Euro clubs rely on it. If they rebel against FIFA, they run the risk of being kicked out of the competitions which give them the money they need and crave.

Also, there are a significant number of major clubs in Europe now owned by Middle-East interests. I suspect that the likes of Man City and PSG will end up being cheerleaders for Qatar 2022.

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I suspect other nations might find that rather... Eurocentric. How about Australia?

Most of the money in football comes from Europe, so Europeans have a right to more World Cups.
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Originally posted by An die Freude:
I suspect other nations might find that rather... Eurocentric. How about Australia?

Most of the money in football comes from Europe, so Europeans have a right to more World Cups.
Europe already has the one in 2018. Also, your argument means Asia is in that case vastly underrepresented. Furthermore, if football is solely a franchise, sold to the highest bidder, it will soon cease to be the world's greatest sport. That's not what we, either in Europe, Africa or South America (not too sure of North America and Asia) love about it. In fact, if football is little more than an instrument of how might gives right, then I'm out.

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1-0

[Disappointed]

Thank God we are back to normal next weekend!

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[Disappointed]

Thank God we are back to normal next weekend!

Those three points will look good in a year or so.

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Genuinely shocking events in the game between Serbia and Albania last night. Football and politics never mix well. [Frown]

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Genuinely shocking events in the game between Serbia and Albania last night. Football and politics never mix well. [Frown]

It's a risk in any international sporting contest. A World Cup qualifier between Honduras and El Salvador led to war and does anyone else remember the USSR v Czechoslovakia Olympic ice hockey match in 1968? No crowd violence and no more on the ice than in any other match, ie, plenty.

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