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Imaginary Friend
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Chelsea were outplayed. Simple as that really. Our midfield isn't functioning right, Ivanović seems to have lost a yard of pace over the summer (from an already low base) and is being exposed, there's a dearth of leadership when JT isn't playing, and our attacking players haven't gelled yet. It's a long season, so no reason to hit the panic button just yet, but something needs fixing. I'm hoping the international break has come at a good time.
Meanwhile, Sioni, when are your boys finally going to realise that resistance if futile and sell us John Stones? Do Kenwright et al really think they can turn down the ridiculous amount of money we are offering? Or is this just the pantomime that has to be played out to make it look like Everton are still a club with ambitions?
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Sioni Sais
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Meanwhile, Sioni, when are your boys finally going to realise that resistance if futile and sell us John Stones? Do Kenwright et al really think they can turn down the ridiculous amount of money we are offering? Or is this just the pantomime that has to be played out to make it look like Everton are still a club with ambitions?
To say that Evertonians are losing patience with the board and its collective reluctance to either a) invest or b) sell to someone who will, would be a huge understatement. But why should Stones go to Chelsea? Mourinho can manage a club but he wants his players to be the finished article when they arrive, and Stones isn't there yet.
We may however have a used former England midfielder (with a penchant for yellow cards) going very cheap indeed. £45 for the club shirt with a FREE Gareth Barry inside!
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My side suffers from failure to thrive. Perhaps we should take the rest of the season off or fire the manager and make him return his salary!
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Imaginary Friend
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
But why should Stones go to Chelsea? Mourinho can manage a club but he wants his players to be the finished article when they arrive, and Stones isn't there yet.
He's doing a very good job with Kurt Zouma. But I take the wider point that development of young players hasn't historically been his thing. But as I understand it, Stones wants to come. It's Martinez (or whoever pulls the strings) who won't let him go. Which is why I asked about the pantomime aspect of it.
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Haha, I'm officially a Swansea fan now.
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I'm an Oakland Raiders fan again. Spurs have been an abject failure this season. They have no idea what they are doing on the pitch. At least the Raiders that I've supported for more than forty years are able to win half the time! If you're going to have a bloody nil-nil draw, just phone it in. No call for suiting up and pretending you know what your doing!
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These days, I introduce myself with "I'm Dutch, and I don't want to talk about football."
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Sioni Sais
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These days, I introduce myself with "I'm Dutch, and I don't want to talk about football."
I have a couple of Jamaican friends and guess what they don't want to talk about.
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Imaginary Friend
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Bobsleigh?
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Sioni Sais
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Bobsleigh?
That too.
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Sioni Sais: I have a couple of Jamaican friends and guess what they don't want to talk about.
Hehe, losing at home against Nicaragua must have hurt.
Somewhere during the Athletics coverage, I heard that Usain Bolt is contemplating a professional football career after he retires from running?
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Imaginary Friend
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On the other hand, all my Icelandic friends are over the moon! Their qualification is fully deserved, too: not a fluke, but the result of doing the basics very well and playing like a team. Something England could learn from.
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Sioni Sais
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Sioni Sais: I have a couple of Jamaican friends and guess what they don't want to talk about.
Hehe, losing at home against Nicaragua must have hurt.
Somewhere during the Athletics coverage, I heard that Usain Bolt is contemplating a professional football career after he retires from running?
He'd find it tedious. Maybe he should give the 400m a serious go for just one season, say the year after Rio.
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Imagine being the full back who has to mark him though.... ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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There are some videos on YouTube of Bolt playing football. He doesn't seem that bad either.
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Sioni Sais
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I've seen him play cricket too. Clean bowled Chris Gayle, which the Coolest Man in Cricket can't him enjoyed. I reckon Bolt is a typical top-class sportsman, able to play any game at a very high level.
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LeRoc
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So, tomorrow we have FC Groningen against Olympique Marseille. A small-city provincial club that will always be in the shadow of bigger ones like Ajax and PSV. But tomorrow is our moment, and locally that's a very big thing. I'm looking forward to it.
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Sioni Sais
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Not such a beautiful game (part 94).
West Ham United are in a snit about the terms under which they will move into the Olympic Stadium being made public. This from the BBC shows that it has/will cost £272 million to convert the ground, that West Ham have paid about £15 million (ie, about one middling Premiership signing) and that they will pay between £2 and £2.5 million in rent per year (that's between forty and fifty grand a week, and you don't get much Premiership footballer for that).
As for the rest, just read it for yourself. If I got a deal like that I would want it kept quiet too. No wonder we have a public sector deficit.
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It's just sour grapes by other premiership sides.
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It's just sour grapes by other premiership sides.
Few sides would turn their noses up at a gift of £257 million, plus cheap rent of a first-class stadium. Is that really sour grapes or defensiveness from a club that still has delusions of grandeur?
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West Ham have had some good fortune. I'm glad it's us for once. It might well be that it's just what we need to take us to the next level. So yeah, sour grapes. Not much difference to a multi-billionaire trying to buy a team the Premiership title, but what fan would a tually say no if they had such an opportunity?
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Imaginary Friend
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What a billionaire does with her or his own money is completely different from what the government does with public money. And have you thought about why no billionaire has "invested" in West Ham? Might be a more apposite question.
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Meanwhile Manchester City, the other side to have acquired a stadium on the cheap, have lost to the Hammers!
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Chelsea lose 3-1 to Southampton.
Mourinho when asked about facing the sack says "They will have to sack me, I will not resign, but in doing that they would be sacking the best manager the club has ever had".
But not the only one who has won the Champions League for them. Gosh, that man needs a slap.
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First managerial sacking:
Dick Advocaat
I take I get "close but no cigar" seeing as he quit rather than getting sacked
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Imaginary Friend
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Sioni, I love Robbie Di Matteo, but it wasn't him that won us that cup. Frank, Didier, JT, and Petr were the ones.
And isn't it wonderful that Rodgers wins the sack race on a technicality! It almost slipped away from him like Stevie G's right leg, but he just managed to get it done.
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Though I believe he was actually the second longest serving manager in the Premier League.
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Sioni Sais
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Sioni, I love Robbie Di Matteo, but it wasn't him that won us that cup. Frank, Didier, JT, and Petr were the ones.
They were theones, but they were playing underr him, not Mourinho, who probably expects all the credit for it.
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I really enjoy people's hatred of Mourinho. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I really enjoy people's hatred of Mourinho.
I'm sure Mourinho is charming if a little reserved face-to-face, but in public he comes over as vain. It isn't pretty.
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Vain? He's got an ego the size of a small planet!!
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FWIW, now that the Mourinho-Benítez feud is no longer a live issue, I generally find him quite entertaining. I don't think you are supposed to take him too seriously.
(Though having said that, his treatment of Dr Carneiro was pretty shite, as was the subsequent FA investigation, which seems to have taken 'not as bad as Fifa' as its standard of due process.)
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Against the odds Northern Ireland has qualified for the 2016 European Championship! This is no trivial achievement as their group included Hungary, Romania, Finland and Greece, although Greece has fallen a long way since they won this competition in 2004. Heck, Greece lost to the Faroe Islands, home and away.
Martin O'Neill has brought together a mixed bag of footballing talent, from all over the Football League and Scottish League, and turned them into a persistent and effective national team. If they get a point in Finland (who can't qualify) they win the group which ought to get them a better draw in the finals.
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One who made the beautiful game beautiful, Howard Kendall has died at the age of 69.
He ran Everton's midfield with Alan Ball (the hard running one) and Colin Harvey (the skilful one) in one of the club's most successful periods then managed it in another, although his final act was to keep Everton in the Premiership!
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The March to October season is almost done over here and it has certainly been fun to watch Sebastian Giovinco ply his trade. Last games are tomorrow with seeding for the second season (playoffs) being set by simultaneous games in both conferences. Toronto will make the playoffs for the first time but is likely to not last long.
The final will be in December - I would enjoy a game played on a frozen pitch in a roofless stadium beside an inland sea but I don't think its happening this year.
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There is however, a reasonably good chance it will be played in a penetrating drizzle in a roofless stadium surrounded by mountains not far from a major body of water--two possible shots at that.
As a Timbers fan, I must say it's wonderful to see Darlington Nagbe finally hitting his stride, and Portland finally figuring out where the back of the net is just in time for the playoffs.
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Most people here will recall that I support Sheffield Wednesday. Unusual for an American.
I adopted the Owls when my late wife's best friend called me one day and said, "Meet me at the pub at 6 tomorrow morning." (David is a Sheffield lad.)
It was the day of the FA Cup final -- Wednesday against Arsenal. This was in 1993 - the year the Owls lost both finals to the Gunners. There was no internet coverage or cable feeds -- the landlord at the pub, David's brother-in-law and another from Sheffield -- had to arrange the feed. A noisy crowd of expats met to cheer their side on.
We came back on the Tuesday for the replay, of course (sigh).
So I was pleased and very surprised at the result of yesterday's League Cup game. (3-0 to the Owls!) It's been a long time coming, and I couldn't let it pass without a small post here.
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I can't confess any great love for Wednesday, but it was amusing to see Arsenal crash out so spectacularly. The silver lining to Chelsea have another one of those days. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Yeah, no.
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If one was to read some of the reports you would be thinking that Mourinho has already been sacked.
Just in case you have only been reading third-rate papers and looking at fourth-rate websites, Mourinho is still manager at Chelsea and while it's true they aren't doing so well and Mourinho is getting under the FA's skin, the season is young and I don't think Chelsea will replace him with Liverpool's cast-off: they might well wait until one of the Manchester clubs gets in a stew and chucks a man overboard.
I can't believe the obsession with "The Special One" when FIFA really does deserve serious attention. If anyone or anything is bringing the game into disrepute, then the supreme governing body has done so and shows no signs of changing in a hurry. It makes the International Cricket Council look a model of good governance.
eta: Yup, Jose is still in charge.
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Yeah, no.
I know, why would he want to manage a club that's hovering over the relegation zone, who sack their managers every six months, and whose squad can't even beat the one he left at Liverpool?
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A one-one draw with the dreaded Arsenal even got the Men in Blazers to view my Spurs in a favourable light last weekend! Is Chelsea ready for relegation? The man who sits on our left on the set must be pondering this as he sits there with the latest results!
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Some good news at last!
Take a bow Jamie Vardy - scoring in eleven games in a row to break Ruud van Nistelrooy's record, and against van Nistelrooy's old club too.
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I saw Gareth Bale kick a lovely goal with Real Madrid a couple of days ago, but what' s up with the man-bun and full beard? Did some girl he's dating talk him in to that?
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Piss off Arsehole! Go to hell, Newcastle!
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Pardon ?
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I think Sir K is a bit tetchy about his team's last-minute loss yesterday.
Personally, I found it hilarious.
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