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Jamie Vardy still scoring, Leicester City still winning. Some aspects of the game are as beautiful as ever.

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Yeah, fair play, they were the better team on the night. Chelsea are still a bit of a shambles, except when they're not (like the Porto game last week). Most bemusing.

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BBC & Reuters are reporting that Mourinho has been sacked.

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Yep, the Special One is no longer special.

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Even though it had sort-of been coming, I am so not doing well with this news.

[Waterworks] [Waterworks] [Waterworks]

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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Even though it had sort-of been coming, I am so not doing well with this news.

[Waterworks] [Waterworks] [Waterworks]

This might be obvious but IMHO the first wheel to come off the Big Blue Wagon was when Petr Cech went to Arsenal. He left, the defence lost their assurance and since then everyone has been looking behind them to see that everything was OK. Last season, everything was OK, but this season without such an effective 'keeper the whole team has had far less space and time.

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Hmmm, yeah, Big Pete leaving was definitely a factor. But that was only one part of a wider picture: Lamps and Didier left as well, and the spine that had been so successful ten years ago was no longer there. Also, Courtois played more games than Čech last year as well, and we still had some guts then.

But even the loss of our old boys doesn't really explain everything. To be honest, the more I think about it, the more I think that it's a bit of a combination of everything. Because the board, the management, and the players all need to take part of the blame. Systemic breakdown.

Without being at the training ground every day it's impossible for me to tell if José was really the biggest problem. But he's certainly the easiest cog to change, and it's definitely traditional for the manager to carry the can when a team is underperforming. But I am pretty sure that simply replacing him will not be a panacea.

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Score-line to cheer the heart of a piglet whose Better Half comes from East Anglia*:

Manchester United 1 - Norwich City 2

[Yipee]

* No matter that we're actually Ipswich supporters - we like it when the underdog wins.

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You're Ipswich supporters? Surely not (they lost today, by the way [Frown] )?
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United and Liverpool doing their best to lighten the mood at the end of an emotional week. Thanks guys. [Smile]

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quote:
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You're Ipswich supporters? Surely not (they lost today, by the way [Frown] )?

I'm afraid we are; D's late father had a season ticket for as long as I can remember (with the exception of one season when the bloke he used to go to the matches with inexplicably changed his allegiance to the Canaries). He always used to say the biggest cheer at Portman Road would be if they announced over the tannoy that Norwich had lost ... [Big Grin]

Now that they're not rivals for the same silverware, we quite like to see Norwich doing well, and anyone stuffing Man. U. is a good thing in our book. [Devil]

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quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
...and anyone stuffing Man. U. is a good thing in our book. [Devil]

I must have a copy of the same book!

Many moons ago I was part of an old Yahoogroup called I Hate Manchester United.

[Big Grin]

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Eldest Son, our family Norwich City supporter posted a holiday advert to his FB page:

"Manchester United fans? Looking for a holiday in the sun? Try the Canaries, they can't be beaten at this time of year!"

[ 21. December 2015, 17:07: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

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Men in Blazers with a lovely guest commentator, had one of the three predicting Spurs in 4th and Arsene and his Arseholes in third!

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That was correct!

Spurs won last match I watched! [B][/B]

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
... "Manchester United fans? Looking for a holiday in the sun? Try the Canaries, they can't be beaten at this time of year!"

[Killing me] [Killing me]

Sorry I was a bit late in seeing this - made me laugh out loud! [Smile]

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Season schedule out for MLS. So the year takes shape and I know how many Saturdays I am spending in a seat near the Lake. [Yipee]

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Yeah, I was waiting for that too. I'm going to be visiting DC in March, but unfortunately their home opener isn't until the day my flight back lands in Stockholm. [Frown]

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quote:
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Even as I write, while watching the Rangers of Scotland score, my mind goes back to North London and the intense rivalry between my beloved Spurs and our archival Arsenal. A friend of mine at one of the schools where I am a supply teacher, is a rabid Gunners supporter. Before he got kicked up stairs to be the assistant head, his classroom of nine-year-olds was decorated in all red! It made me wanna fwow up!

Whom do you support? Do you wear team gear to work or school as I do?

(Sings) Oh when those Spurs, oh when those Spurs go marching in, I wanna be in that number, etc,

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Of course, there are other leagues and teams. Not all of us support a Premiership side. (Championship side Sheffield Wednesday here.)

And there were a few upsets this weekend in the FA Cup as well. Well done, Oxford and Shrewsbury.

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Glad you said that, Basso - the teams I take an interest in are (in no particular order) Ipswich, Norwich, Colchester, Inverness Caley Thistle, Partick Thistle* and Cowdenbeath, of which Norwich and Inverness are the only ones in their countries' respective Premier Leagues.

I make an exception for Man. U - to cheer if they get stuffed ... [Devil]

I take it the team that Sir K. refers to as "Rangers of Scotland" is Glasgow Rangers, who knocked in six against Dumbarton the other day. The only reason they're not in the Scottish Premier League is that a few years ago they got into some kind of financial difficulties (can't remember the details) and were demoted to the bottom division, and have had to work their way back, one division at a time.

* known to supporters of other teams as "Partick Thistle Nil" [Big Grin]



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quote:
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...archival Arsenal...

Well, they do say that the Emirates can be a bit of a library... [Biased] [Killing me]

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quote:
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Yeah, I was waiting for that too. I'm going to be visiting DC in March, but unfortunately their home opener isn't until the day my flight back lands in Stockholm. [Frown]

Here's hoping Brava Brava finally get the stadium they deserve - the original MLS supporter's group who make RFK bounce, literally.

Supporter culture in North America owes a lot to that bunch of fusion culture diehards. The essence of multi-culturalism that permeates much of the supporters here started there.

They say Toronto created North American football supporter culture, but we know better.

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Sir Kev:
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Whom do you support? Do you wear team gear to work or school as I do?
I like the rule that you can't wear a jersey with a player's name on it unless you are younger than the player, which precludes most players in my case.

That said, I have a Colorado Rapids lunch box (insulated bag, really,) that was a free give-away at a game I attended, which I use daily.

(The Rapids re-branded to look more like the Gunners about 8 years ago, after owner Stan Kroenke (to anyone from St. Louis: we don't like him either) purchased part of Arsenal, and arranged some sort of partnership between the clubs. In the ensuing years, the "partnership" has been absolutely worthless, with no connection between the teams, no player development plan, and no mention of a preseason friendly since the initial press conference announcing the partnership. Really, the only evidence of the supposed partnership is a large Arsenal shield in the northeast corner of our stadium. I'm just glad they didn't go through with the reported name change to "Arsenal Colorado," which would have made the team look particularly pathetic.)

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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Yeah, I was waiting for that too. I'm going to be visiting DC in March, but unfortunately their home opener isn't until the day my flight back lands in Stockholm. [Frown]

Here's hoping Brava Brava finally get the stadium they deserve - the original MLS supporter's group who make RFK bounce, literally.

Supporter culture in North America owes a lot to that bunch of fusion culture diehards. The essence of multi-culturalism that permeates much of the supporters here started there.

I love the Bara Brava. The first time I went to watch DC, I sat in the boring seats on the other side of the stadium. As soon as the game started I realised I was in the wrong place. Now I always get my ticket from them. It's such a different atmosphere from UK football, with its South American vibe. It's one of the few places where I've genuinely seen the different social strata in DC mix. And yes, the stand really does bounce up and down with the supporters. Bless RFK!

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I know that stadiums in D.C. and Baltimore might as well be in San Salvador whenever El Salvador plays a game in that part of the country, to the point that they play international friendlies there. Is that a big part of the crowd that shows up for United games?

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In my experience, the tailgate before and the side of the ground where the supporters groups stand has a lot of people of South American extraction there. I reckon the songs were about 50-50 in English and Spanish (esta noche, tenemos que ganar, or something [Biased] ). Everyone sang in both languages. My eye was not sufficiently educated to know who was Honduran, Salvadorian, Bolivian, Venezuelan, Ecuadorian, or from somewhere else so I can't really speak about the details. But there were plenty of people with different ethnicity there too.

The other (boring) side of the stadium is much more white.

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I know that stadiums in D.C. and Baltimore might as well be in San Salvador whenever El Salvador plays a game in that part of the country, to the point that they play international friendlies there. Is that a big part of the crowd that shows up for United games?

Just wait for this June when Copa America is played across the US. The top teams in South America along with the US, Mexico et al from CONCACAF.

There is serious talk that CONMEBOL may try to merge with CONCACAF in order to get access to all that US based cash every few years.

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The problem with CONCACAF is that the various FAs for the small Caribbean islands (which mostly exist to line the pockets of a few well connected individuals on those islands) can, and routinely do, as a block, outvote the other countries in the confederation for their own benefit.

I can't see a merger happening unless this is solved, and in order to solve the problem, you have to convince a number of fairly corrupt individuals to vote to strip themselves of power.

Now if FIFA were to blow up, I could see Mexico, Canada, the USA, Costa Rica, and maybe a few others (Honduras, Panama, or Jamaica) merging with the South Americans to form a new confederation in whatever succeeds FIFA.

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SPURS WIN! SPURS WIN!

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I can remember when Liverpool vs. Man U games meant something other then "what's the manager saying today".

That was a typical mid table clash.

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I've about had it with football. First the ref tells John Terry that Chelsea have plenty of time, then he can't see the same player three yards offside.

WTF?

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I was lucky enough to be in the third row of the Matthew Harding Lower right where that goal went in. [Big Grin]

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This may be about the lower half of the Championship, but when Huddersfield Town climb to higher than Leeds United it is time for me to be happy. Even if only on goal difference.

The game is beautiful.

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Two good things that came from the awful stomach bug I had this weekend (aside maybe from some weight loss).

First, I was too sick to attend the four hour marathon that is the church Annual Meeting on Sunday. Sorry, not sorry.

Second, I got to stay in bed and catch most of Arsenal-Chelsea, and I especially enjoyed the bit where one particular Gunner fan was unloading on Diego Costa at such a volume that the entire thing got carried on international broadcast. I rarely root for Chelsea, but in this case, loud Arsenal fan, the tears of your unfathomable sadness were delicious. [Snigger]

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Yes, I thought that game was wonderful really, although not obviously for Gooners. It was kind of tragi-comic, with a villain ready-made (Costa), an audience booing him, which of course, probably pumps him up, and also, that element of the random and unjust without which sport would be very dull.

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What was random or unjust about that game?

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It took until February, but Arsenal is back in its natural habitat: fourth on the table.

I got to watch Spurs today, and it was an impressive performance, given that they weren't exactly playing the class of the league. You gotta beat the likes of Norwitch if you want to stay on top, and overall, there was no doubt that it was going to happen. Solid game, and if the defense keeps up at this rate, who knows what can happen...

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I liked Koeman's deadpan Dutch answer [Smile]

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Holy crap Leicester beat Man City away.

Holy crap SPURS GO SECOND!

What a truly bizarre and delightful season.

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Season over here opens in 4 weeks. Hope beginning to spring across the continent with new signings and new stories.

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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:


Holy crap SPURS GO SECOND!

What a truly bizarre and delightful season.

[Yipee]

Watched both matches, looking forward to this weekend.

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Speaking as a non-football fan, I saw a fair chunk of Peterborough United vs West Brom yesterday night, and I have to say what a cracking game it was to watch. Though I was amused when the FX mike picked up a long and vigorous chant of "You wanker! You wanker!"

AG

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i saw a bit of it too: the sides were evenly matched, it seems.

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Well, that was quite a fun weekend in the Premiership. Always good to see Manchester United lose on a Saturday, and it was with great mirth that I was able to witness the cognitive dissonance amongst Arse&all fans who on the one hand were celebrating a dramatic win against Leicester while on the other they did Tottenham a huge favour, allowing us to close the gap at the top to just 2 points. Thanks Gooners!

I don't think with even a great finish that United could think of winning the title this year and City's prospects have gone from having to do the Three Peaks to conquering the Matterhorn.

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Spurs may yet win it all, depending on the outcome of the next match in the North London Derby...

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MLS begins again over here on Sunday with almost 11 hours straight of games. Of course my team starts with 8 games on the road due to stadium additions (adding a roof/canopy/umbrella) so no home game until May.

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Swansea can feel some relief now after two wins in a row.

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Hmm....World Cup qualifiers next week.

There are 40000+ seats sold for Canada to host Mexico in Vancouver next week. Lets see how many of those are wearing red and how many green.

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It looks increasingly that Leicester will be Premiership champions.

Is this the Richard III effect?

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I was unfortunate enough to be watching the Atletico-Barcelona game with a die-hard Barca fan who was in a very bad mood, so I couldn't really cheer as loudly as I wanted to. I thought 1-0 at the Calderon was doable, but not likely. 2-0 was beyond my wildest dreams.

I would really like Atletico to beat Real in the final, but something in my gut tells me it is going to be a two-legged Madrid derby in the semis. At least that would also give us a fun Pellegrini vs. Pep old City boss vs. new City boss tie, in which I would definitely be pulling for Pellegrini to get the last laugh.

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