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You should be ashamed of yourself, setting standards beyond what poor Kelly and Weasel are able to achieve. Just because they are chronologically far far far beyond being pre-teens does not mean that their level of maturity has kept apace. We should not reprimand them, we should show them true Christian pity and help them make the tiny tiny steps which will slowly but surely bring them to a level of social acceptability, thus keeping Sylvander safe, not by apportioning blame, but by reducing risk.

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Sure the Church lets me down. It's full of bastards, and has 2000 years of bastardry in its history. But I'm a bastard too. That's why I need Jesus. He isn't.

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I'm afraid I won't be helpful here ... but I have to be honest. I have, like others, clung on to or been clung onto by faith for three and a half decades now, ... I have no expectation that the Church is the Reign of God. The church always will and often has let me down, hurt me, whatever. So have rugby teams, drinking mates, political parties and novels.

But it is the place I am commanded to encounter the risen Christ. It is the place where the sacraments happen, where the Word is broken open, where koinonia occurs, even if sometimes more in the breech than the observance. I can see some reflections of God in creation (but as Wordsworth and Tennyson perhaps above all testify, that can bite one on the bum) but cannot reach out and receive God, digest God, argue God, be absolved by God, encounter crucified and resurrected God under my bhodi tree or on my cliff top.

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The most difficult part of freedom of speech is not that you have every right to say whatever pops into your head, but you have to then acknowledge that the other people around you therefore have the right to explain at length and at high volume how damnfool stupid what just came out of your mouth is.

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The truth is that everything that makes life worth living--love, friendship, family, community, morality--is just grit in the gears of the market.

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I really don't see, though, why PSA adherents all seem so angry about advocates of other theories or fence-sitters like Lutherans -- even, I'm told, trying to kick non-PSA Christians off the bus. Seriously, why the attitude? If TULIP is correct, then you're obviously in like Flynn with the Lord and the rest of us are toast; chill out and enjoy your election and leave us damned souls alone.

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What a colossal cunt.

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Dear sweet baby Jesus cuddled up in the Christmas crib

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Your assertion that workers in the horticultural distribution sector are somehow less worthy than effluent agitation operators indicates an offensive lack of solidarity, comrade!

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Oh, isn't that the cutest little remark ever.

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At last time to think about this thread, this decade. It began when I was ten, ended when I was 20 (yeah, okay, give or take a few weeks). There's a nice symmetry there.

• I saw 1970 in asleep, but I had arrived in Christchurch (NZ) on New Year's Eve. So too had the bikie gang Highway 61. They smashed the town. I visited the cathedral (destroyed in last year's earthquake) and cut my foot badly on the broken glass they left behind.
• The Beatles gave up on love, hated each other, and I discovered them. "When I find myself in times of trouble ..."
• America sang a song about a nameless equine and Don McLean sang about the death of music - thereby resuscitating it.
• I fell in love with a girl in the Partridge Family
• By 1972 I was in love with love. I was learning to smoke, got confirmed because it was the mature thing to do in an anglican school, and became an increasingly polemical atheist.
• In 1973 Lobo sang my song (I'd Love You to Want Me) and James B. stole the girl of my dreams. There was still no 'world' out there. I was at secondary (boarding) school, a real man. That was soon pummelled out of me. I longed to see, er, pubic changes but they would not come.
• In 1974 I was smoking lots because I hated the school, hated the world, hated. Black Sabbath and Uriah Heap ... I was a cox and my voice finally agreed to break. My father died so I got a weekend off school.
• 1975 - far off in a country called America a peanut farmer was president, Queen were singing about scarramoush, and I discovered a dude called Bob Dylan. I discovered alcohol, too.
• 1976: Bruce Springsteen joined Bob Dylan and Neil Young as the singers of my angst. I discovered marijuana and believed that if the world smoked enough of it, listened to enough Dylan and Young, CSN & Y, Led Zepp and Brucey boy it would be redeemed. There was no God.
• I was busted in a scandal revolving around the importaion of marijuana into my elite boarding school. There was not enough evidence to pin me down but most of my close friends were suspended or expelled. I was drinking, smoking, smoking pot - somehow I passed my University Entrance exams but i was fucked if I was ever going to go to one of those irrelevant institutions. I was full of anger and hatred - and wanted a girl but I looked about 13 and was no chick magnet.
• somehow I was selected as a cox for a national rowing sqaud and for my school 1st VIII. We won the national championships, and when it was over I wondered what life meant - hero to zero we'd cliche these days. There was no God, I was a part of a national championship crew, but it was over. I thought about suicide but couldn't be buggered. For the first time I fell in love with a real girl, kissed and fondled, and she moved to a town a day's drive away. Bugger. But at least I had "had" love.
• 1978. I left school, became a broadcasting cadet, drank lots, smoked lots of pot, longed for love, lived alone, rode motorbikes at suicidal speed ... and fucking disco hit the airwaves. late that year the friend with whom I had been importing dope to my school got on my motorbike in an alcoholic fog, rode off into the afternoon, and came back dead.
• 1979. I gave up the fight, surrendered to God, became a Pentecostal ... got the girl and lost her. No sex of course ... but I was alive.
  The decade ended just as I busted up with her and slid into anglicanism ... I was at university and pretty much have been ever since (though I am no brighter)

I can't remember where I was the final night of that decade. In a prayer group perhaps. But I had found God and I have, despite some painful times, never been let go.

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I'm having the same experience with my hearing. I've discovered that where a word isn't clear, my brain submits its own suggestions. Turns out it's always wanted to live in a much more entertaining place than the real world that I've been inflicting on it.

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Oh, isn't that the cutest little remark ever.

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Originally posted by KenWritez:
Speaking as a bosom liberationist, I stand in solidarity with our oppressed sisters. For too long, womyn have been forced to bind, hide, squeeze, squash and compress their bosoms to fit puerile male fantasies and subconscious fears of the inherent power of the life-giving female breast.

I say, it's time to stop hiding the female bosom! Free it now, turn back centuries of masculine oppression! Wear only whatever support or decoration *you* as the bosom supporter freely decide is appropriate and comfortable!

Just as Jesus commanded us not to hide our lights under bushels, so too let us not hide the female bosom under concealing clothing! Womyn: Step forth proudly baring the bosom that nurtured a generation of empowered womyn determined to remake the face of male-dominated Western culture!

Show your bosom and strike a blow for freedom!

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and what I see - the sum total of those branded images and memories - is a culture of violence and dysfunction and pain that is not being addressed. I dont see the gun, or the car, or the knives, or the fists. I don't even see the alcohol or the drugs. I see broken hearts.

I want us to remove the butter knives, yes, to paraphrase a brilliant moment from Patdys on another thread. But more, I want to find a way to reach the broken hearts. I want children to grow up feeling loved and not feeling desperate. I WANT TO FIX THIS but I don't know how.

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I've skimmed through the older thread and it's given me a lot of food for thought (mostly that I'm a dummy in these matters), but I hope that a new, possibly simpler one may be in order (one major headache in the old one is "MT" being used interchangeably for "Mousethief", "Mama Thomas" and "Masoretic Text" by the protagonists...).

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...and Google is too difficult for you to use, you lazy howler monkey made entirely of Issues™.

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Since my retirement from Hellhosting, I've simplified my business model from volume to artisanal hand-crafted insults for special occasions.

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I do actually. This board, at any rate. Which means that I get to decide what's appropriate and what's not. Suck it up, fuckwit.

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You, Sir, are a prick. In fact, if a prick was to spend time trying to formulate a general definition of what a prick was, he would be describing you. You are the archetypical prick. If prickiness was a stick of rock, your name would run through it.

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We're there already. But we really to properly insult one another before the hosts close the thread.

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Interesting though that 'fucktard' and rusty augers and even howling monkey insults can be thrown around pretty much with impunity but a comment from Jane Austen really gets people upset.

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...but, I think the main purpose of the topic is womens' ordination concerning the Eucharist - though others would say it concerns preaching (I know!)

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1. Street Clericals.

2. Your "Die heretic scum!" tee-shirt.

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Irony does not mean 'a bit like an iron'

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Let's all just do everybody a favour, and acknowledge that there is no absolute answer to the question of how individuals should face the suffering they are personally responsible for. Few of us are stupid enough and heartless enough to force suffering unnecessarily to our kith and kin, but too many of us are willing to assert such ideas on everyone else. And until we all become mindless meat manipulators of the internet eschaton we still have a modicum of free will which is the most apposite mechanism for deciding matters of our own personal suffering,

And, while we're at it, perhaps forgive those health care professionals who suffer a bias of only getting to see those who suffer most.

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Serene? The Circus? This isn't Ecclesiantics, and the Circus rats aren't tat queens who play vestment Mad Libs

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It was cold. It rained. Everyone got wet. The choir also got wet. They sang anyway. This is England.

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... if the Holy Spirit is always present in the church, then the Church is always continually discerning new truths along the way. Scripture is not a strait jacket, it was never meant to restrict the Church in its ability to determine doctrine.

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