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quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
How is it meaningless? The United States chooses it's president the way it chooses it's president which is the way it's chosen it's president for over 200 years and that has NEVER been by overall popular vote.

No. The electoral delegates used to be chosen by the state governments. You are wrong. This is NOT the way we have chosen our delegates for over 200 years.

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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Saying that all other democracies choose their governments based on popular vote alone is pure and utter nonsense. You can't live in the UK complain about Trump not winning the popular vote and be OK with the SNP having more members of parliament than the UKIP or Lib-Dems. Don't give me that crap about Scotland being its own separate kingdom either.

Hold tight. I never said a single one of those things.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
How is it meaningless? The United States chooses it's president the way it chooses it's president which is the way it's chosen it's president for over 200 years and that has NEVER been by overall popular vote.

No. The electoral delegates used to be chosen by the state governments. You are wrong. This is NOT the way we have chosen our delegates for over 200 years.
Interesting. Do you know roughly when that change happened, and how it came about?
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mousethief

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Originally posted by David Goode:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
How is it meaningless? The United States chooses it's president the way it chooses it's president which is the way it's chosen it's president for over 200 years and that has NEVER been by overall popular vote.

No. The electoral delegates used to be chosen by the state governments. You are wrong. This is NOT the way we have chosen our delegates for over 200 years.
Interesting. Do you know roughly when that change happened, and how it came about?
I'm having a hard time researching this. The sites are rather good on the niceties of the legal details, but schtum on the actuality on the ground. Frustrating.

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Originally posted by Goldfish Stew:
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Originally posted by David Goode:
Ah, yes, American democracy. Con hundreds of millions of ordinary people into imagining that they are voting for the next president when they are in fact only voting for the 538 special people, themselves appointed on slates by the very parties standing in the election, who will choose the president; and then, when any of the special people vote the wrong way, discount that vote and replace the recalcitrant voter with another voter who can be relied upon to vote the "right" way.

And remind me again how the British elect their head of state?
We let God* handle it as he happens to have better taste than the American Demos. Unless someone wants to argue that Donald Trump is classier than Brenda.

*Actually, we did have to give God a teensy bit of a helping hand with the Protestant Succession thing and putting the skids under Edward VIII when he turned out to be a bit fash. But, by and large, He's done a pretty good job since 1688.

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Originally posted by Callan:
We let God handle it. . . . By and large, He's done a pretty good job since 1688.

He certainly hit the jackpot with George III so far as we Americans are concerned.

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Originally posted by Jane R:
BTW, if you're in Aotearoa she's *your* head of state too.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callan:

*Actually, we did have to give God a teensy bit of a helping hand with the Protestant Succession thing and putting the skids under Edward VIII when he turned out to be a bit fash. But, by and large, He's done a pretty good job since 1688.

Sure made a mess of things before that, though. Wonder what took him so long to focus?

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quote:
Originally posted by Callan:
We let God handle it. . . . By and large, He's done a pretty good job since 1688.

He certainly hit the jackpot with George III so far as we Americans are concerned.
George III was not so bad. Neither was the treatment of the colonies. And the revolution was not a populist movement, etc.
Understanding history is bad enough without nationalist propaganda.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
How is it meaningless? The United States chooses it's president the way it chooses it's president which is the way it's chosen it's president for over 200 years and that has NEVER been by overall popular vote.

No. The electoral delegates used to be chosen by the state governments. You are wrong. This is NOT the way we have chosen our delegates for over 200 years.
Since 1804, the electoral college functions the same way it functions now. President and vice president were never chosen by popular vote. For the record, with a few exceptions, states have chosen electors by either winner take all or divided their electors by house district for over two hundred years.

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quote:
Originally posted by Goldfish Stew:
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Originally posted by David Goode:
Ah, yes, American democracy. Con hundreds of millions of ordinary people into imagining that they are voting for the next president when they are in fact only voting for the 538 special people, themselves appointed on slates by the very parties standing in the election, who will choose the president; and then, when any of the special people vote the wrong way, discount that vote and replace the recalcitrant voter with another voter who can be relied upon to vote the "right" way.

And remind me again how the British elect their head of state?
IIRC, those standing as electors from some states are required to say for whom they will vote if successful and may not change unless that person is no longer a candidate.

Don't forget the manner in which the upper house of the British parliament is constituted - some elected by a very small constituency (most hereditary peers), some by long service in their jobs ( the bishops) and others appointed by various governments over the years (all the life peers ). Then there are still 2 who make their way by pure hereditary right. Don't start me on the democratic manner in which the Canadian Senate is constituted - it makes the Senates here and the US look like models of popular election.

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Originally posted by Callan:

*Actually, we did have to give God a teensy bit of a helping hand with the Protestant Succession thing and putting the skids under Edward VIII when he turned out to be a bit fash. But, by and large, He's done a pretty good job since 1688.

Sure made a mess of things before that, though. Wonder what took him so long to focus?

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quote:
Originally posted by Callan:
We let God handle it. . . . By and large, He's done a pretty good job since 1688.

He certainly hit the jackpot with George III so far as we Americans are concerned.
George III was not so bad. Neither was the treatment of the colonies. And the revolution was not a populist movement, etc.
Understanding history is bad enough without nationalist propaganda.

Eh, is someone talking smack about His Most Gracious Majesty George III, of late and happy memory?

In my town the very centre is reckoned to be the intersection of George St. and Charlotte St!

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Oh, George wasn't such a bad guy.John Adams liked him.

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originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Eh, is someone talking smack about His Most Gracious Majesty George III, of late and happy memory?

George III was an usurper. I stand prepared to support Franz of Bavaria should he ever wish to declare himself King of the United States. Support in much the same way Iceland supports NATO military operations. I'll share some Jacobite memes on Facebook or something. [Big Grin]

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Usurpers don't get invited in by the populace. Constitutional monarchy we have.
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Doesn't the USA president function like a limited term constitional monarch? With a consort queen in a first lady. An adopted crown pence. Though if impeached, doesn't get his head chopped off. Perhaps unfortunately.

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This seems to be the place to put this.

Some of you may remember that, a week before the election, a church in Mississippi was burned, with the words "Vote Trump" spray painted on the walls.

They have arrested a suspect. The suspect is a member of the church, and at this time, the police believe that the arson was not politically motivated, although it may have been the intent of the suspect to disguise the fire as a hate crime.

It's hard to say what to think of this. I'm sure there are already folks on the radio saying that this proves that every report of a hate crime for the last few months has been made up. And certainly that is not true.

I think the worst thing we could do with this story is hide it or not report it, in fear that it will take credibility away from our narrative.

Any other thoughts? Mostly, I'm sad for the church, and sad about the kind of trouble the suspect has experienced in life that would have caused him to do this.

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That about covers it. While I agree that we shouldn't hide it, I don't think we need to assume anyone would. At the same time, there really isn't much more to say. Just one of the sad tragic things that happens in life.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Oh, George wasn't such a bad guy. John Adams liked him.

Suffered from porphyria, or some such. Hence, "The Madness Of King George".

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quote:
Originally posted by David Goode:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
How is it meaningless? The United States chooses it's president the way it chooses it's president which is the way it's chosen it's president for over 200 years and that has NEVER been by overall popular vote.

No. The electoral delegates used to be chosen by the state governments. You are wrong. This is NOT the way we have chosen our delegates for over 200 years.
Interesting. Do you know roughly when that change happened, and how it came about?
According to the deity wikipedia, in 14 states electors were chosen by the legislature (an interesting description can be found in Gore Vidal's novel Burr) until 1832, and then the only one remaining was South Carolina, which continued until 1860. As the majority of states had moved to a process where voters signalled their choice for a single ticket (or list), those remaining had difficulty justifying the limitation of choosing presidents to members of the legislature.

Two states (Nebraska & Maine) choose electors by congressional district, with a further two going to the candidate supported by a plurality of voters. Other states have done this in the past. As these are state elections, states can set up any arrangement they please, from proportional representation to the toss of a coin.

Keeping track of it makes Scottish peerage law simple by way of comparison.

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Oh, George wasn't such a bad guy. John Adams liked him.

Suffered from porphyria, or some such. Hence, "The Madness Of King George".
Yeah, by the time Adams met him, he'd recovered. They apparently hit it off on first meeting, to the point that George told him if he had to cope with the idea of an officially recognized American embassador, he was glad it was Adams*

Which was really a win: win situation for Adams, as his fellow patriots, Ben Franklin in particular, tended to describe him a decent enough guy who was unfortunately the most undiplomatic diplomat they had*

* paraphrased, but not a hell of a lot.

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I have always wondered how accurate the character of Adams was in the musical "1776". So vivid that it probably eclipses the real man.

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I have always wondered how accurate the character of Adams was in the musical "1776". So vivid that it probably eclipses the real man.

Sooner or later there's always a revisionist historical musical (Strong language may not be suitable for work)
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[Killing me]

Hamilton was among many of the Founding Fathers who found Adams's general decency to be complicated by his tendency to be an insufferable asshole. For his part, Adams couldn't stand Hamilton.

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--Didn't know George III recovered.

--Thanks for the Adams rap link. Will check it out later.

--Re "1776": I love that film. And yes, Adams was a royal (or rebel? [Biased] ) PITA in it.

Non-Americans wanting to understand the founding of the US could do worse than watch that film musical.

--And, of course, there was the long-running feud between Adams and Jefferson. IIRC, their campaign rhetoric and insults got wayyyy out of control. But they eventually reconciled, and AIUI died on the same day.

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One of the reasons Jefferson and Adams wound up so bitterly estranged is that they loved each other like brothers. The division wasn't just a political spat, it was seen as an unforgivable betrayal by both men.

It's my understanding that Abigail ran interference between the two men in their twilight years, and when reconciled, they went right back to being soul brothers. I guess that's what made Adams one of my heroes. Whatever his diplomatic or political shortcomings, his letters to Jefferson and Abigail demonstrate that he made a point to let his loved ones know they were loved.

Uh, end tangent, I guess.

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I think it's rather a good tangent. Makes me wonder if Trump actually 'gets' brotherhood.

What is the point of strengthening the USA nuclear capability? In the aftermath of the election, I'm pretty dismayed by the great majority of Trump's appointments so far, but yesterday's 'policy tweet' was pretty scary.

If your intention is to deter, then the US already has ample nuclear capability. If your intention is to scare the world into believing that a savage madman is about to become POTUS, that's another matter.

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What is the point of strengthening the USA nuclear capability?

Small boys like big toys. He wants to look powerful.
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A Democratic senator from Oregon has commented that Trump has the emotional maturity of a 5-year-old. Various people are responding that this is an insult to 5-year-olds. What I like about it is that Trump is likely to respond with a tantrum, proving the point.
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What is the point of strengthening the USA nuclear capability?

Small boys like big toys. He wants to look powerful.
Some people judge a man by the size of his missile.

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Probably right, RuthW. Strange to think the fate of the world is going to be in the hands of such a small boy.

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..along with his little chum, Pootin...

[Ultra confused]

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Good News/Bad news scenario: The good news is that there actually is somebody that Trump will listen to. The bad news is that it's Putin.

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Some people judge a man by the size of his missile.

Trump believes he has the advantage, though, for tiny hands always create the delusion of an unusually large cock.
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Some people judge a man by the size of his missile.

Trump believes he has the advantage, though, for tiny hands always create the delusion of an unusually large cock.
On wonders, then, why he needs all these other compensations?

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Maybe he can't get it up and nukes are his viagra.
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In an op-ed piece in today's POST I read that the Mango Mussolini won 81% of white Christian evangelical votes. Well, I guess that clarifies it for me. I am not white, and an clearly no longer evangelical. Christianity is on the bubble.

In an allied report, I drove through VA, NC, and SC this holiday to visit relatives. I saw at least two barn roofs painted with Trump slogans, and any number of yard signs, billboards, etc. Have resolved to not retire to a red state -- I won't be able to afford to, anyway, because they treat the safety net so poorly.

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Yeah, by the time Adams met him, he'd recovered.

He recovered and then relapsed. This may have happened more than once. He ended up insane.

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Kelly Alves

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Genuinely sad to hear that. He seemed like a tortured soul.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
In an op-ed piece in today's POST I read that the Mango Mussolini won 81% of white Christian evangelical votes. Well, I guess that clarifies it for me. I am not white, and an clearly no longer evangelical. Christianity is on the bubble.

That's not Christianity. That's the American Jesus. Happy Birthday Jesus! (scene from Full Metal Jacket)

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
In an op-ed piece in today's POST I read that the Mango Mussolini won 81% of white Christian evangelical votes. Well, I guess that clarifies it for me. I am not white, and an clearly no longer evangelical. Christianity is on the bubble.

In an allied report, I drove through VA, NC, and SC this holiday to visit relatives. I saw at least two barn roofs painted with Trump slogans, and any number of yard signs, billboards, etc. Have resolved to not retire to a red state -- I won't be able to afford to, anyway, because they treat the safety net so poorly.

On my annual pilgrimage to Florida to deliver my mother to her favourite golf haunts, I drove through the Shenandoah valley, with several backroad excursions to look at local cider-houses and vineyards (I note that I also pick up some very good local honey along the way) and can confirm Brenda Clough's observations. For amusement, one day in North Carolina, we counted the Hillary signs (3) against the Trump signs (182) in rural areas. The balance was about 50/50 in Asheville with a vote of 54% for Clinton and 40% for Trump.

My Asheville contact suggested that Clinton supporters in rural areas would be inclined to lay low when opinions were high, avoiding hard feelings with neighbours. Wilkes County (71% Trump and 21% Clinton), Caldwell County (74% Trump and 24% Clinton), and Henderson County (62% Trump and 35% Clinton) where we saw no Clinton signs at all might bear this out. In South Carolina, in Spartanburg and Laurens counties (both 63% Trump and 33% Clinton), we saw a single Clinton sign in each county.

Looking for the figures by county-- this site provides the idle with many hours of innocent diversion-- there seems to be a very strong urban/rural divide on this. Even in poorer white-working-class urban areas, there is a leaning toward Clinton over Trump. Doubtless someone will soon do a thesis on this.

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People keep trying to compare Trump to Reagan.

Reagan knew he wasn't the smartest man in the room. And he also had actually talked with people who wen to war and knew it wasn't pretty.

Trump thinks he is smarter then everybody and has no clue about war's costs.


Trump is Trump and trying to equate him to anybody from the Republican past doesn't work.

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It will be interesting to see how Trump handles Iran, as in one sense, Iran has been empowered in recent years, both by US action (invasion of Iraq, which knocked out one of Iran's rival powers), and of course, by Russian action in Syria, where Iran is a key player, along with its off-shoots, such as Hezbollah.

At the same time, Trump sounds displeased with the nuclear deal, and threatened to cancel it, I think.

I suppose one solution is to ignore the whole thing, probably not very practical.

John Harris has an article in the Guardian today, arguing that politics is becoming too complex to grasp. The Middle East is a prime example.

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A pity, then, that the only items Trump seems able and willing to grasp are female genitalia.

IJ

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quote:
Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
People keep trying to compare Trump to Reagan.
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Trump is Trump and trying to equate him to anybody from the Republican past doesn't work.

This is correct, and the crux of the matter is knowing just how much power is going to come to rest in the hands of this individual.
It seems pretty clear he's going to face China down on trade.
If he starts willy waving at putin then there is a possibility the whole effin' place could go up. But even that is nothing new.

As for the Mid East it is difficult to see how trump could make any greater mess of that than his predecessors already have.
Hey Ho...Happy New Year.

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'My name is Trumpymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

(With sincere apologies to the shade of Mr. Shelley)

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Then you perceive the body of our kingdom
How foul it is; what rank diseases grow
And with what danger, near the heart of it.

But what good medicine?

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I find myself rereading Yeats' THE SECOND COMING sadly. (My Ipad doesn't allow me to copy and paste links, alas, but any search will kick it up -- it's a short poem.)

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
quote:
Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
People keep trying to compare Trump to Reagan.
<snip>
Trump is Trump and trying to equate him to anybody from the Republican past doesn't work.

This is correct, and the crux of the matter is knowing just how much power is going to come to rest in the hands of this individual.
It seems pretty clear he's going to face China down on trade.
...

He won't and likely can't win that battle in reality but I suspect he will say he did something while actually doing very little. This fig leaf lying about actualities is what he seems to do. It might keep him in power for 8 years but as many have noted, his posturing is unlikely to do anything for the millions of Americans displaced by the economic changes of the last 30 years.

The question then becomes does who follows Trump pivot away from the current parties towards an even more totalitarian approach.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
(My Ipad doesn't allow me to copy and paste links, alas ..)

Tangent/

Actually it does but it's a bit of a pain. You hold down your finger on the touch screen at the beginning of the link you wish to copy and paste and a copy choice appears. Then after selecting that copy you go to where you want to paste and hold down your finger on the touch screen, obtaining the paste option.

/ End Tangent

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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
(My Ipad doesn't allow me to copy and paste links, alas ..)

Tangent/

Actually it does but it's a bit of a pain. You hold down your finger on the touch screen at the beginning of the link you wish to copy and paste and a copy choice appears. Then after selecting that copy you go to where you want to paste and hold down your finger on the touch screen, obtaining the paste option.

/ End Tangent

In fact, press and hold anywhere in the link, not only at the beginning.
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