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Brenda Clough
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Yes, it is ironic and shocking how little regard the "pro-life" party has re human life. Same thing with the repeal (and no replace) of ACA: I have taken to carefully avoiding saying it is about "health care" or "health insurance". It's not. It's about human lives. Repealing ACA w/o any viable replacement is, quite literally, about people dying. End stop-- there is simply no other way around it. The photos of GOP Congresspeople cheering the repeal were absolutely horrifying. They were literally high-fiving one another over orchestrating the death of some of their fellow citizens.
Whatever you want to call that it most certainly is not "pro-life". [/QB][/QUOTE]
It is, however, consistently Republican. Close observation has revealed to me the foundation of their ethic: "For me, not you." Health care, for me, not you. Sex, guns, First Amendment rights, all apply solely to me and mine. You are on your own. My candidates get vetted with a light clothesbrush, yours should be grilled intensively over the coals. My proper salute is adoration; yours is questions about your birth certificate.
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Penny S
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I have spent the day in radio silence (watching DVD of "Beiderbeck Connection", which is somehow comforting.)
I have heard a description of Hillary clinging to Bill.
I don't really want to know any more.
But what I do want to know is why this reality show buffoon has achieved more coverage of his apotheosis (reminds me of some Latin thing about Claudius becoming a god) than we have ever had abou tthe inaugurations of Bushes, Reagan, Kennedy or Obama. I'm sure it wasn't wall to wall carpeting of the stuff any other time. Not outside the States, anyway. Brief news items only, which did not stick in the mind.
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Al Eluia
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Originally posted by Penny S:
But what I do want to know is why this reality show buffoon has achieved more coverage of his apotheosis (reminds me of some Latin thing about Claudius becoming a god) than we have ever had abou tthe inaugurations of Bushes, Reagan, Kennedy or Obama. I'm sure it wasn't wall to wall carpeting of the stuff any other time. Not outside the States, anyway. Brief news items only, which did not stick in the mind.
Just subjectively, I don't think coverage of the inaugural was out of proportion to Obama's. That was a YUGE, historic event. The crowds, on the other hand, were MUCH smaller at Trump's today (though I heard pretty in line with inaugurations prior to Obama).
As William Carlos Williams wrote: "Hold back the edges of your gowns, Ladies, we are going through hell."
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Ian Climacus
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Those protests seem pretty intense from the reports I'm reading. Can't say I agree with the more extreme elements, but I guess there will always be those who turn up to cause trouble.
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I watched to bear witness to the last moments of My President. When he waved as he was getting in the helicopter to leave, I waved back and cried.
Today, I'm dressed in black. There's a huge lump in my throat. God help us.
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I've been fascinated, for a while, by how much Americans identify with the person of the president. We definitely don't see that here, at least I think we don't: we don't vote for our Prime Minister though -- and we seem to have them change mid-term [party ousting] as well as at elections anyway.
Is it as simple as because you [Americans] cast a vote for them you feel more "connected"? Is it to do with what they did -- i.e. Obama did plenty good, but I can also see some not-so-good from my outside perspective [increased drone strikes, for example]. I thought it may be, but then the person of the US President seems to be fairly engaged with, at an emotional level, all around the world. I must say it befuddles me. I wish them well, and Obama was an historic presidency, and I have no doubt will outshine the curent holder -- but I feel no connection to him, while many around the world see him as "Their President".
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Originally posted by Boogie:
I can guess - "Trump is great, America is great, I am great great great, I will grate on your nerves for at least four years. I am so great, so very great. I lurve you all, you are going to feel so so great because Trump lurves you, you'll feel so good now, so so good"
Guess again Boogie. It sounded to me like a mix of undiluted nationalism and patriotic fervour to which even the crowd looked a little nervous.
If he can work even half of promised the miracles then all well and good. Trouble with the real world and politics is that miracles nearly always come at a price. History will be his judge.
But all inauguration speeches have a pile of nationalism and patriotic fervour in them. It would be weird if they didn't.
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OK, nothing to worry about then.
New Mayor, same old town.
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OK, nothing to worry about then.
New Mayor, same old town.
I don't know about that. This one seems to have decided to increase the chances of using the job to feather his own nest (and the nests of his friends) quite a bit.
Rather than drain the swamp, he's pumping fertiliser into it.
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It's a natural fertiliser. The image of a herd of pigs wallowing in their own excrement will be with me for a long time.
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The only thought I had while listening to the Inaugural Address is...
Does the President really think that everyone before him really didn't care about creating American jobs? As much as he may criticize the government for sending jobs away, every politician worth his stripe, at least promises to create jobs for his own people?
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
The only thought I had while listening to the Inaugural Address is...
Does the President really think that everyone before him really didn't care about creating American jobs?
This is not about reality. He's selling to the people who've already bought his rubbish.
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As much as he may criticize the government for sending jobs away, every politician worth his stripe, at least promises to create jobs for his own people?
making a prediction right now. Trump will create fewer jobs than Obama.
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Job jobbed. Now for Article 50.
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CBC reported about and interviewed a Canadian who was crossing the border into the USA. The USA border service turned him away because he was going to a woman's event. Apparently being pro-women is anti-trump. Hardly surprising I guess. I listened to the interview. While border guards may turn anyone away, they more or less admitted that they'd admit him if he was going to support trump. Link (CBC As It Happens).
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
The only thought I had while listening to the Inaugural Address is...
Does the President really think that everyone before him really didn't care about creating American jobs? As much as he may criticize the government for sending jobs away, every politician worth his stripe, at least promises to create jobs for his own people?
Right out of the Rob Ford playbook.
Everything that is good has never been thought of before. Anything not good is the fault of previous administrations. He'll play this for 4 years, with calls to Trump Nation whenever he gets stymied by something (which is going to be very interesting when he gets stymied by other governments) to donate and support him and buy his book etc. etc.
Added bonus - a legal document, in the form of an executive order, that says a lot about changing things but doesn't actually change anything. Seems he can't repeal Obamacare on day 1, so he's written an EO saying that Obamacare won't last long (but with all the usual things that have to be there legally about the law still having to be upheld).
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I just watched the show on ABC i-view. I wish they meant eye-view. tangent. stop it.
I got four messages from it:
1. Fortress America, economically, politically, culturally.
2. Patriotism will cure America's problems, and if they are not being cured you need to be more patriotic America.
3. I'm pretty sure Trump said there were something like tens of ten million people there. Now is that an american billion or a british billion? Note: I'm very bad at mathS.
4. Trump was pausing for the cheers, and all he got was polite applause.
5. I was so bored I took the rubbish out in the middle of the speech. And I'm a politics junkie who usually turns each word over a few times.
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Added bonus - a legal document, in the form of an executive order, that says a lot about changing things but doesn't actually change anything. Seems he can't repeal Obamacare on day 1, so he's written an EO saying that Obamacare won't last long (but with all the usual things that have to be there legally about the law still having to be upheld).
A good point and this is going to frustrate the hell out of Trump. Presidential power, even with Congress broadly of the same ilk, is constrained (AFAIK) by the Constitution and statute. Just as in his campaign and the preliminaries, we're going to hear a lot of what he's going to do.
Over here in Britain we have Royal Prerogative, but the use of that is subject to judicial review (according to Lord Denning, and I'll take his word for it).
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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
I've been fascinated, for a while, by how much Americans identify with the person of the president. We definitely don't see that here, at least I think we don't: we don't vote for our Prime Minister though -- and we seem to have them change mid-term [party ousting] as well as at elections anyway.
Is it as simple as because you [Americans] cast a vote for them you feel more "connected"? Is it to do with what they did -- i.e. Obama did plenty good, but I can also see some not-so-good from my outside perspective [increased drone strikes, for example]. I thought it may be, but then the person of the US President seems to be fairly engaged with, at an emotional level, all around the world. I must say it befuddles me. I wish them well, and Obama was an historic presidency, and I have no doubt will outshine the curent holder -- but I feel no connection to him, while many around the world see him as "Their President".
I can only speak for myself, but he's My President because I am so very proud of his tenacity, grace, intelligence, compassion, and love of his fellow Americans. There are things he has done that I'm not happy with, but President Obama had all the facts. I only saw end results. He tried to work with both sides of the aisle, but did not give up when Republicans tried repeatedly to block him.
This man's ethics and morals are of the highest order. His respect for all people was apparent. His fierce defense of the US was akin to a mother bear protecting her cubs.
I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. He's My President.
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I identify with the Queen as Australia's head of state in a way that I don't identify with our Prime Minister, even our first female Prime Minister Julia Gillard. I think that's because Her Majesty is not a political figure, but iconic of the Commonwealth. She represents Empire, God and the Conquering Spirit of Brittania in the South Seas. She also goes a fair clip in the woolshed on her day.
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I can honestly admit that in all the years since I first heard the name Obama, my thoughts of him have never been more pleasant than they are today.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
making a prediction right now. Trump will create fewer jobs than Obama.
Surely you understand that Obama has never created a single job, right? So Trump has a pretty substantial head start on him in that regard...
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Various thoughts on the inauguration, after a long nap:
--I started watching, on PBS, about 10 min. before the ceremony started. Was surprised at how many VIPs were crammed together. Wondered if the balcony (?) is sturdy enough to hold so much weight at once. (Even though it is probably stone.)
--The speech by Schumer (?) was disturbing. Started out sounding like it was going to be about healing divisions. But then it veered into writings by a Civil War (?) soldier, all about how proud he was to give his life for his country. And he died 2 weeks later. I wondered what we were being prepared for.
--The first 3 members of clergy (Cardinal Dolan, another man, and a woman) prayed, and said some things that maybe could be taken a couple of ways. Much of it was the usual "God. give us wisdom" stuff from the Bible. IIRC, I actually thought Dolan did a pretty good job, and I'm disposed (for other reasons) not to like him. I think I found something iffy about the second minister; and I found the woman preacher somewhat annoying, though I was glad a woman was included.
--Later, a rabbi prayed. Seemed clear to me he was sending a message about continuing to support Israel. Something about allied countries that share the same beliefs, and "if I forget you, oh Zion" (or some such).
--Franklin Graham was next. Actually, he directed his remarks to T, rather than praying.
--Justice Clarence Thomas swore in VP Pence. (Thomas actually spoke! ![[Biased]](wink.gif) He's known for not speaking much in Supreme Court hearings, though I think he may have spoken more since Scalia died.) Maybe it's just me, but the VP oath seemed to take longer than the presidential. Is it longer? I haven't had a chance to check.
--T's speech was scary. (I linked to a transcript, upthread a bit.) And his assertion that "God will protect us!" was possibly the scariest bit.
--Jackie Evancho sang well. Saw an interesting bit on TV, last night, about Jackie and her trans sister Juliet, their relationship, and the social media criticism of Jackie endorsing T by performing, and thus dissing her sister and other LGBT folks. However, they seem very close, and very proud of each other. (I think this was on "Nightline".)
That's about all I can think of, right now. I turned off the TV after the Obamas left, and some people moved on to the luncheon. Listened to NPR, but eventually fell asleep.
Oh, and while PBS didn't spend a lot of time zooming their cameras in on particular people, I did see Hillary a few times. She seemed to be in pretty good shape. As to the people who booed when she arrived... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Surely you understand that Obama has never created a single job, right? So Trump has a pretty substantial head start on him in that regard...
As your posts don't generally indicate you understand the word understand, I'm not sure explaining anything will be of much help.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Franklin Graham was next. Actually, he directed his remarks to T, rather than praying.
In other words, he prayed to his god.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
his assertion that "God will protect us!" was possibly the scariest bit.
Scarier to my non-American mind was his misappropriation of Psalm 117: quote:
How good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in unity
following directly on the heels of quote:
When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
I can honestly admit that in all the years since I first heard the name Obama, my thoughts of him have never been more pleasant than they are today.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
making a prediction right now. Trump will create fewer jobs than Obama.
Surely you understand that Obama has never created a single job, right? So Trump has a pretty substantial head start on him in that regard...
Please see this link from the Wall Street Journal. While the Obama's presidency doesn't have a stellar record, it is many million times better than "a single job".
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4. Trump was pausing for the cheers, and all he got was polite applause.
Yes, that was very noticeable, wasn't it. I have also read elsewhere this morning that the speech had many quotes lifted almost wholesale from sci-fi films. \It would be funny if it wasn't so very worrying.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And his assertion that "God will protect us!" was possibly the scariest bit.
Even as an atheist I agree with this opinion about Trump''s cringe-making remark.
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Susan--
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Originally posted by SusanDoris:
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Originally posted by simontoad:
4. Trump was pausing for the cheers, and all he got was polite applause.
Yes, that was very noticeable, wasn't it. I have also read elsewhere this morning that the speech had many quotes lifted almost wholesale from sci-fi films. \It would be funny if it wasn't so very worrying.
Interesting. Will have to look that up. ISTM that he may have adapted Lincoln, in the first couple of sentences, and JFK later on.
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Originally posted by SusanDoris:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And his assertion that "God will protect us!" was possibly the scariest bit.
Even as an atheist I agree with this opinion about Trump''s cringe-making remark.
And that in a country which fiercely separates Church and State!
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Golden Key
I'm never quite sure whether to post links to another forum here so will send it to you in a pm.
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Susan--
Ok, will watch for it. I think it's ok, though, to post a link to another forum. We're just not supposed to start a war between us and them, AIUI.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
It's a natural fertiliser. The image of a herd of pigs wallowing in their own excrement will be with me for a long time.
Unfair to pigs. As my grandfather, a farmer, explained to me, pigs are actually very clean creatures and keep their excrement separate from where they live and wallow. If they are wallowing in excrement, it is because the humans who are keeping them do not allow them to organise their lives the way they want.
I think these people are more akin to that sort of pig keeper.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
I identify with the Queen as Australia's head of state in a way that I don't identify with our Prime Minister, even our first female Prime Minister Julia Gillard. I think that's because Her Majesty is not a political figure, but iconic of the Commonwealth. She represents Empire, God and the Conquering Spirit of Brittania in the South Seas. She also goes a fair clip in the woolshed on her day.
Okay, I'm generally pretty neutral about the whole republican debate in Australia, but I find it downright bizarre that you explanation of why you identify with the Queen as head of Australia mentions "the Commonwealth", "Empire" (presumably the British one), and "Brittania".
So basically, you identify her as head of Australia for reasons that have nothing uniquely Australian about them.
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Thanks jedijudy & simontoad [very interesting!]; appreciate your responses. Gives me something to think on.
[edit: orfeo was more direct than I]
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Re "my president":
What our Jedi said.
A local retro TV station, associated with the Decades.com network, is running retrospectives on the inaugurations of the last 56 years. I've just seen both of Obama's inauguration speeches--so much saner than T's speech. And calming.
During the whole impeachment mess with Bill Clinton, someone was quoted in the media as saying "Europeans elect managers, and Americans elect messiahs". I don't know about Europe, but there's truth to the American part of that.
Plus, since we don't have a parliamentary system, we can't collapse and rebuild our gov't as needed/wanted. We like and expect stability. And we have only a president. So everything gets focused on one person, for better or worse. Mind you, if we *did* have a parliament, we'd probably collapse the gov't every few weeks.
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Originally posted by deano:
The left is declining further and further and God is happy.
There have been other times in history when people believed God was happy whereas in fact they were standing on the edge of an almighty fuckup.
This whole business isn't about Left or Right it is about people, and what people are capable of.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
This is an article about the interpretation of Trump's speech that Susan mentioned:
"Trump ‘lifted’ lines from Hollywood films for his inaugural speech." (Jantaka Reporter)
The one from Avatar is pretty convincing.
Plagiarism is, in my view, a good litmus test for con artistry. It is proven here beyond reasonable doubt. And Trump's cavalier attitude to it tells you all you need to know about his ethics without having to sift through leaked reports or fifteen-year-old videos.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Surely you understand that Obama has never created a single job, right? So Trump has a pretty substantial head start on him in that regard...
Paying people to fill the bleachers at the Inauguration is an excellent start. Carry on!
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rolyn
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Indeed, what better way to convince an audience that you can reinstate a fictional Golden age than to use lines and quotes from a fictional golden age.
Like simontoad I noticed trump pausing for cheers that didn't materialise. It could have been the rain or it could be that people are bored already. This is the age of the Internet, people are different. We may be moving into a new age there will though be no going back.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Golden Key posts:
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--Justice Clarence Thomas swore in VP Pence. (Thomas actually spoke! [Biased] He's known for not speaking much in Supreme Court hearings, though I think he may have spoken more since Scalia died.) Maybe it's just me, but the VP oath seemed to take longer than the presidential. Is it longer? I haven't had a chance to check.
IIRC there is no vice-presidential oath set down in the US Constitution-- they are just required to pledge to support the constitution.
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simontoad
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I identify with the Queen as Australia's head of state in a way that I don't identify with our Prime Minister, even our first female Prime Minister Julia Gillard. I think that's because Her Majesty is not a political figure, but iconic of the Commonwealth. She represents Empire, God and the Conquering Spirit of Brittania in the South Seas. She also goes a fair clip in the woolshed on her day.
Okay, I'm generally pretty neutral about the whole republican debate in Australia, but I find it downright bizarre that you explanation of why you identify with the Queen as head of Australia mentions "the Commonwealth", "Empire" (presumably the British one), and "Brittania".
So basically, you identify her as head of Australia for reasons that have nothing uniquely Australian about them.
I'm afraid I was going for bizarre, pointing out the absurdity that Australian Republicans find so irritating and parodying my own view.
I do identify with the Queen as our Head of State, and my reasons are that she is more or less apolitical and acts constitutionally. It's not a huge emotional connection, but I am a convinced Constitutional Monarchist. I think that as a system it has stood the test of time, and I think it has worked well in Australia. The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha has done a good job of not poking its nose into the affairs of their dominions and I see no reason why Charles will be any different as King. I think Australia is big enough to own its history, and I don't think a Republic is a necessary part of us growing up.
In the event that people feel that an Australian Head of State is really important, I propose an Australian hereditary monarchy be established. My suggestion is that John Dalgleish Donaldson be offered the Crown. He's the father of Princess Mary of Denmark, and a Scot.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Maybe it's just me, but the VP oath seemed to take longer than the presidential. Is it longer?
Out of curiosity, if the President were impeached would the Vice-President get appointed?
I'm sure Pence is entirely loyal to Trump and the question has never crossed his mind.
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Us versus them. That's what I got from the little bits of trump speech. The comical part is a billionnaire and cabinet of like piggies identifying with the middle class, which it is piggies like this have done over. The paranoid unity of us versus them. Recession would be the thing to pray for as Americans pay more for everything.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Maybe it's just me, but the VP oath seemed to take longer than the presidential. Is it longer?
Out of curiosity, if the President were impeached would the Vice-President get appointed?
I'm sure Pence is entirely loyal to Trump and the question has never crossed his mind.
Yes. Here's the line of presidential succession. It goes: VP, Speaker of the House of Representatives, President pro tempore of the Senate, then cabinet officers in order of the creation of their departments.
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I was surprised at how dsytopian Trump's speech was, but I suppose it lends itself to a messianic message. American carnage! But here is the Great Healer.
Also, there are so many hostages to fortune in it - he's going to get rid of terrorism, cure the drugs problem, and crime, and improve schools, and produce tons of jobs. I guess he doesn't care if he fails.
The quote from Avatar looks ridiculous, I can't believe it. Maybe he should wear a Star Wars uniform.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
The quote from Avatar looks ridiculous, I can't believe it. Maybe he should wear a Star Wars uniform.
I'm afraid Darth Vader is more appropriate and in his dreams Trump fancies that.
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Does President Pussygrabber still intend to build a wall or fence to keep those ghastly Mexicans out of The Land Of The Free? That's a job creation scheme on the grand scale, surely....oh, wait a mo, the Mexicans have got to build it for themselves, no?
Perhaps another wall along the border with Canada, to stop disloyal Murricans fleeing to a more friendly land?
Whatever. Given that that foreigner Obama failed miserably to establish his Muslim Caliphate, one hopes that Pussygrabber will be even less successful...
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I thought it ironic that Samuel Rodriguez's first words - from the Bible reading - was 'God blesses the poor...'. And it was just the beatitudes he read, wasn't it, I don't think he added any words of his own afterwards, apart from commending of the scripture. And I was sorry that Franklin Graham decided to appropriate the rain as God's blessing on Trump's administration, but actually let's hope God does bless it, somehow, because we're all in trouble if he doesn't!
The Avatar-like quote now makes sense. When I heard Trump say it in his speech it really jarred. I thought how strange and unlike him it sounded. And how it didn't even seem consistent with his language and content up to that point. A cut-and-paste job from the Hollywood school of hackneyed cliches makes more sense.
And I felt so sorry for the girl who sang the national anthem, she looked and sounded terrified. A sweet but rather too fragile and thin voice for such a big occasion. She was clearly nervous, not surprisingly. But she kept going to the end, so good on her. She didn't let it overwhelm her.
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