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Callan
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Originally posted by RuthW:

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If you haven't seen the reports of this, say so, and I'll post links.
I was tempted to ignore this because I'm depressed enough already, but better know the worst.

I'm sorely tempted to revert to the archives and remind myself what we were arguing about during the Bush era. This is turning into that line from Crocodile Dundee. "OMG! That's a really bad Republican administration"
"Nah, that's not a really bad Republican administration. THIS is a really bad Republican administration!".

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Firenze

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I see turnout was below 50%. Of those that did vote, fractionally more favoured Clinton. Of the quarter of eligible voters who supported Fart, say a proportion were merely deluded - the he's-only-saying-that/I-always-vote-Republican/my-neighbour's-cousin-says-he's-a-nice-man brigade.

So on the plus side you might only have 10 or 20% of Americans who are spittle-flecked bigoted loonies.

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
I'd have more sympathy for them if they'd stop blaming immigrants, Muslims, gays, et alia for the shape the country is in. That they've figured out that the Republican establishment doesn't give a shit about them is awesome. That they've decided the answer is to elect a guy who has made racist whites feel more free to attack and assault people on the street - not so much. (If you haven't seen the reports of this, say so, and I'll post links.)

Post them Ruth. I haven't been so ashamed to be English until it happened here up to and after Brexit. Including murder.

We must subvert Caesar's tyranny loyally on both sides of the Atlantic now.

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As I see US Republican friends on FB claiming that such things have never happened, I would like to see links to reports too. Always nice to have something verifiable to bring into a debate.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
There is a nasty smelling odour in the air from certain quarters that is trying to say that no, this isn't that bad and that those who are scared need to just calm down* because he isn't or might not be a racist xenophobic, homophobic arse.

As others have said, these kinds of statements seem only to be coming from the white privileged set who aren't likely to be much affected by a Trump administration.

*given that this is coming from Mad Melanie Philips, it is quite a statement

If Mad Mel is telling us to calm down, then in reality it's time to stock up the fall out shelter with long life tinned food. Or just run. Run! Run!!!

[ 10. November 2016, 13:40: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

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Yes, I caught a bit of Mad Mel last night, my God, what doubletalk. It's not really racist to say that you don't want nasty smelly brown folk next door, making curries, worshiping Baal, and FFS, having funny names that begin with Al.

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It's a new day. I'm alright now. So long as I stay in the house and don't go out where there are people. People talking, people with faces who probably comprise part of the 7,700 in my county who voted for him. And I keep the TV off and have vowed never to watch the news again. Because I don't think I'll ever be able to stand seeing Hewhoshallnotbenamed standing on the White House lawn with The First Bimbo squinting beside him, or God forbid, sitting behind the big desk in the Oval Office. Wait. I've imagined too much. I must go listen to old fifties music by the Platters for awhile.
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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
The First Bimbo

Nice [Disappointed]

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I woke up yesterday to the first snow of the year (in North Yorkshire) and a fairyland vista through the trees. The night before I had watched the Ripon Hornblower warning all who had ears to hear that the Danes (or was it the Vikings?) were coming.

Then I switched on the TV.

My first (rational) thoughts were, with Britain out of Europe and America out of its mind, perhaps it's appropriate that the first American title to win the Booker Prize is "Sellout".

But wait! Not all Americans are crazy, and the USA is still a democratic country. Isn't it? So may it just be that Americans have chosen the leader they deserve? Time will tell. We've made some mad choices, apparently, this side of the pond. But isn't this absolutely the best argument for the Australian system (IIRC) of compulsory voting? Disasters by default might not...oh, wait another minute! Some of those Australian winners, now...

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
I haven't been so ashamed to be English until it happened here up to and after Brexit. Including murder.

How do you know what happens "after Brexit"? It hasn't happened yet. Things might get hell of a lot worse when it does. Or they might not.

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The boil came to a head in June. Everything else is drainage.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
The First Bimbo

Nice [Disappointed]
I actually had First Slut, but changed it to try to be nicer. Forget that. I shouldn't have called her a bimbo, I'm not really sure if she is one, which implies a certain airheaded stupidity. I haven't heard her talk much, at least not using her own words, so maybe she's actually fairly smart. But I do think the slut word is perfectly fair considering how she supported herself (nude modeling, mistress of rich men,) before she landed the big charge account at Tiffany's. This was never a case of third world desperation either, she had started college when she decided to drop out and make easier money. That's a moral choice, just like the moral choice of walking in on pageant girls while they're dressing. She is as responsible for her actions as he is. I know our climate today disallows "slut shaming," (which is, correctly speaking, not this but a form of bullying young girls) but we don't hesitate to call a man like Trump to task for his immoral sexual behavior. I think they should both be held equally accountable or not at all.

In one magazine interview Melania Trump was quoted as saying, "Donald married me for my looks and I married him for his money, what's wrong with that?" I guess it's a matter of opinion whether there's something wrong with that, just like it's probably a matter of opinion whether or not there's something wrong with men indulging in "locker room talk," but I would call both things slutty and a marriage like theirs of the lowest order, demonstrating the shallowest of values.

I still have an ideal in my head where the people in the White House represent higher values than the average person on the street. This couple is a big step below average. I hate to think this woman will be in the same position as Eleanor Roosevelt or Michelle Obama, setting an example for young women as to the goals they should have and the contributions they should strive to make.

It's part of the whole tragedy of this election that we've passed up a chance to show young girls that they can achieve the highest office in the land if they study hard in school and work hard at productive jobs, and have exchanged it for showing them that they can skip all that and just let people take pictures of them with their clothes off and almost end up in the same place.

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One of the reasons why I expect the Trump White House to be a surreal place. There seems to be a built in selfish and self-centred shallowness at work. I said it in another thread but Obama's face and body-language spoke volumes today.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
And I keep the TV off and have vowed never to watch the news again.

Ditto. If news is important enough to reach me, it can do so by certified mail, return receipt requested.

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Well, there's this. I had a job interview this morning for a staff writer position, and came away with this test assignment: "Write a piece about post-election stress."

[Ultra confused]

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Lamb Chopped
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Twilight, I hold no brief for Melania, but she didn't ask to be in the White House,* and she will hold no elected position. Why not have mercy on her and bury her in decent obscurity?

* Do you really think the Donald asked for her input?

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Why not have mercy on her and bury her in decent obscurity?

OK, so long as she doesn't have Ikea in to redo the Lincoln Bedroom. [Eek!]

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Meanwhile, here's the considered opinion of another well-known world leader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YEhNHNydIs&nohtml5=False

I'll get me jackboots...

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Og--

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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Dumping 20K people off of the insurance rolls would be bad, to say the least.

Maybe "20k" is a typo, or refers to something I've missed. But if you really mean that as the total of people on Obamacare, read this from the official site (Obama Care Facts):

quote:
The Current 2016 enrollment numbers: The current enrollment numbers (as of February 2016) are roughly: 12.7 million in the marketplace, and very roughly 20 million total between the ACA between the Marketplace, Medicaid expansion, young adults staying on their parents plan, and other coverage provisions.
And from HuffPost:
" Trump Renews Call For Obamacare Repeal As Enrollment Begins About that replacement 'plan', though...."

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Twilight

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Twilight, I hold no brief for Melania, but she didn't ask to be in the White House,* and she will hold no elected position. Why not have mercy on her and bury her in decent obscurity?

* Do you really think the Donald asked for her input?

Because Bill Clinton's sexual past and qualifications as First Gentleman have been hashed over and brought up incessantly during this election. She may not have "asked," to be in the White House, however you're picturing that, but she certainly has been front and center during the campaign, speaking about what a good man her husband is and marching up on the stage at every opportunity. I doubt very much that she's wanting to sink into obscurity now.

I'm hearing, from all the people who maintain a hands-off poor Melania position, a bit of the protective, patronizing attitude that says she's just a poor little woman who can't think for herself and as a good wife must follow her husband's path without opinions of her own. As such she's not responsible for her actions, or the positions she endorses, in the same way the man is.

That's the residual 1950's attitude about women that's caused so many Americans to find it impossible to really picture a woman as president.

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Stay on the Battlefield

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The beginning of the end of the First Amendment?

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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
I see turnout was below 50%. Of those that did vote, fractionally more favoured Clinton. Of the quarter of eligible voters who supported Fart, say a proportion were merely deluded - the he's-only-saying-that/I-always-vote-Republican/my-neighbour's-cousin-says-he's-a-nice-man brigade.

So on the plus side you might only have 10 or 20% of Americans who are spittle-flecked bigoted loonies.

How very like our own dear Britain, although we do get slightly better turnout. Bang on about the 10-20% though.
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mousethief

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If this doesn't chill your blood, you are made of sterner stuff than I.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is calling for the creation of a new House Committee on Un-American Activities, invoking the infamous "Red Scare"-era congressional body as a blueprint for weeding out American ISIS adherents and sympathizers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Twilight, I hold no brief for Melania, but she didn't ask to be in the White House,* and she will hold no elected position. Why not have mercy on her and bury her in decent obscurity?

* Do you really think the Donald asked for her input?

Because Bill Clinton's sexual past and qualifications as First Gentleman have been hashed over and brought up incessantly during this election. She may not have "asked," to be in the White House, however you're picturing that, but she certainly has been front and center during the campaign, speaking about what a good man her husband is and marching up on the stage at every opportunity. I doubt very much that she's wanting to sink into obscurity now.

I'm hearing, from all the people who maintain a hands-off poor Melania position, a bit of the protective, patronizing attitude that says she's just a poor little woman who can't think for herself and as a good wife must follow her husband's path without opinions of her own. As such she's not responsible for her actions, or the positions she endorses, in the same way the man is.

That's the residual 1950's attitude about women that's caused so many Americans to find it impossible to really picture a woman as president.

Oh seriously. Because Trump et al have been assholes by bringing up everything regarding Clinton's spouse, therefore it's meet, right and proper that we should be assholes now by attacking Melania?

As for the rest of your post--you haven't got much experience with emotionally abused women, have you. You really think that she has any freaking agency in this marriage?

It doesn't matter what gender you are or what century you live in--if you're married to a partner who holds all the power cards and has no human decency but a great regard for what suits him(her), you're screwed.

When Melania does something clearly of her own accord which is worth skewering, I'll be there. But at this point, all I can see is the major, major mistake of having an affair with and then marrying a narcissistic bastard--and I imagine she has paid for that in full, several times over.

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Garrison Keillor weighs in, via the Washington Post:

"Trump voters will not like what happens next."

I particularly like the paragraph beginning "We liberal elitists...". Hmmm...I wonder if heirloom tomatoes can be grown indoors?

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Golden Key
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Re Melania:

When watching, a while back, an interview of a man who knew her back home, I got the feeling that maybe Melania saw modeling as the only way to get out. AIUI, that can be a dangerous kind of work, in many ways (drugs, abuse, forced eating disorders...). And she's hardly the first woman to get involved with a powerful, rich man, or men.

I'm hoping that she'll fulfill the traditional first lady role of picking a good-works project. She could do some good on her own, away from her husband.

She should be treated decently, ISTM.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re Melania:

She should be treated decently, ISTM.

As should all women.

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Ok, you know that meme that is going around that shows Trump leaning over Melania at the polls? Really look at the body language. That girl is in trouble.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Garrison Keillor weighs in, via the Washington Post:

"Trump voters will not like what happens next."

I particularly like the paragraph beginning "We liberal elitists...". Hmmm...I wonder if heirloom tomatoes can be grown indoors?

I like that - thanks.

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Martin--

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Originally posted by Martin60:
I haven't been so ashamed to be English until it happened here up to and after Brexit. Including murder.

Was the murder that of the woman politician who was shot in the street? (Remembering a little of the news.)

[Votive]

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
The First Bimbo

Nice [Disappointed]
Well, her current title is Third Trophy Wife. Is that any better?

Honestly, I loathe gendered insults, but in Mrs. Trump's case, what word would you use to describes a woman who has made a career and a life letting various people make use of her body and image?

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re Melania:

She should be treated decently, ISTM.

As should all women.
Memo: D Trump .....

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mt--

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re Melania:

She should be treated decently, ISTM.

As should all women.
Thanks. [Smile] And thanks to all the other men of the Ship who've said supportive things. First, Enoch posted a link to an awesome article by a *man* who really gets it and said it. Then I started noticing several men of the Ship also getting it and saying it.

IME, it's rare for men to do that.

[Overused]

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quote:
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And she's hardly the first woman to get involved with a powerful, rich man.

Didn't someone named Marilyn Monroe precede her?

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Ok, you know that meme that is going around that shows Trump leaning over Melania at the polls? Really look at the body language. That girl is in trouble.

OTOH, now that The Donald is President-Elect, he won't be able to trade her in for a Fourth Trophy Wife, at least not while they're in the White House.

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Soror Magna--

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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
The First Bimbo

Nice [Disappointed]
Well, her current title is Third Trophy Wife. Is that any better?

Honestly, I loathe gendered insults, but in Mrs. Trump's case, what word would you use to describes a woman who has made a career and a life letting various people make use of her body and image?

Someone doing work that US popular culture highly values? That fashion houses value? That seemed to be a better choice for her than what was available at home? And possibly someone in a situation she can't get out of?

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Kelly Alves

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Abusive tendancies don't just go away.

Ok, I may have brought this up before, but remember that silly romp of a movie, The First Wives' Club? It was based on a rather scathing potboiler by New York socialite Olivia Goldsmith. One of the characters, Gil Griffin, was a serial adulterer on his second wife, and also a serial abuser, as it turned out. He was also depicted as a scorched earth type Wall Street tychoon, who did a lot of the kind of budget fiddling that has now been attributed to Trump.

Ivanka is listed in the opening acknowledgements as one of "The brave women who shared their stories." Some speculate that Gil Griffin is based on Trump.

The reason I bring this up is that the photo of Melania in the meme really reminded me of the descriptions of the trophy wife in the novel, her withdrawn, hunched- shoulder stance. Probably just projection, but it really gave me chills. You'd have to read the book to really understand how unsettling a mental connection that was for me to make.

[ 11. November 2016, 01:48: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:

Honestly, I loathe gendered insults, but in Mrs. Trump's case, what word would you use to describes a woman who has made a career and a life letting various people make use of her body and image?

Has she hurt anyone by doing so? If not why the insult?

On another note four local Pet Partners brought their dogs on campus today. I think the university libraries organize this about once a month so that stressed out students can pet a dog and usually there are a handful of students at a time. Today each dog was surrounded by a crowd of students (and lapping up the attention).

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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Ok, you know that meme that is going around that shows Trump leaning over Melania at the polls? Really look at the body language. That girl is in trouble.

OTOH, now that The Donald is President-Elect, he won't be able to trade her in for a Fourth Trophy Wife, at least not while they're in the White House.
I don't see any reason for that to be the case. There's certainly no legal barrier. And even appeasing voters need not be a concern. If they weren't concerned about his prior adulteries and sexual assaults why would they care about something as garden variety as a divorce. It's not like he was (gasp)
gay married

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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
The First Bimbo

Nice [Disappointed]
Well, her current title is Third Trophy Wife. Is that any better?

Honestly, I loathe gendered insults, but in Mrs. Trump's case, what word would you use to describes a woman who has made a career and a life letting various people make use of her body and image?

Desperate.

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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!

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OK, links about assaults and harassment committed in the wake of Trump's election:

From CNN: racist graffiti and several hate crimes.

If you're on Facebook or Twitter, look up Shaun King - he's compiling these things. Or see some of what he's collected here on popsugar.

Here's a collection on Twitter from people documenting things that have happened in the last day or two. Here's a sample: a young woman writes, "Today, I was harassed by an older white man who presumed I was Mexican. 'I can't wait until Trump asks us to rape your people and send you back over the biggest damn wall we're going to build. Go back to hell, wet back.' After saying all of that, he threw the water in his cup in my face, gave me the middle finger, and ran off. It took every fiber of my being to hold my tongue and not chase him down. I'm in tears right now. I've never been terrified of being a woman and a minority until today."

From The Advocate: Trump supporters smashed a beer bottle in a gay guy's face in Santa Monica, CA (known by those of us in the area as "The People's Republic of Santa Monica" because it so friggin' liberal -- this isn't just happening in red states).

More generally, and still local to me, from the LA Weekly: hate crimes in Los Angeles County declined seven straight years until 2015, at which point they rose 24 percent. Hate crimes against Latinos went up 69 percent last year.

Anyone here who supported Trump: this is on you.

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I will add that I just read on Facebook that a friend from the Ship has a transgender friend who has received a death threat.
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This morning I had yet to turn off CBS News when my local station switched to the 700 Club.

First thing Dinosaur Robertson said was, "Welcome to day two of the liberation of America."

Sorry, Mr. Robertson, America will be liberated only when Mr. Trump is defeated four years from now.

(Feeling Angry).

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Miss Amanda--

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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And she's hardly the first woman to get involved with a powerful, rich man.

Didn't someone named Marilyn Monroe precede her?
And she was underestimated.

I never really understood what all the great fuss surrounding her was about, other than the obvious physical attributes. But people were so *obsessed* with her.

Then I found out 3 things that got me a little interested:

--She was a foster kid, and AIUI had a rough time.

--After she died, I saw a film clip of her bedroom or dressing room. Lots of books. I don't recall the titles, now. But I recall thinking, at the time, that if she was reading those particular books, she sure wasn't the dummy that so many people thought.

--I saw an outtake clip from a movie set she worked on. She was on break, and playing with this little dog. Marilyn was so happy and so natural. That was a Marilyn I would've liked to know.

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For those of you who are trying to figure out how the American Electoral College works, this is about the best explanation out there.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
I see turnout was below 50%. Of those that did vote, fractionally more favoured Clinton.

I don't like Trump, I'm sorry he won, and I look forward to his term in office with trepidation.

However, I am not sure that psephological analysis is an adequate therapeutic consolation.

After all, Salavdor Allende, who is generally regarded as one of democracy's martyrs, won Chile's 1970 presidential election with the support of only about 20% (1,070,334 of 5,200,790) of those eligible to vote.

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Re the hate crimes, etc.:

I feel like I'm in that "Star Trek: TOS" episode where a town follows "the will of L'Andru". (A malfunctioning computer, but they don't know that.)

Anyway, they are very good and very repressed, except for a celebration where they are *mandated* to let out everything they repress the rest of the year--ALL of it. Acting out all those ugly, selfish, evil, uncontrolled things that run around inside us. Murder, rape, and who knows what else. At the end of the "celebration", the survivors go back to their repressed lives, and don't talk about what happened.
[Paranoid]

I used to think that if the US and allies ever completely pull out of Afghanistan, it would be a very good idea to teach all girls and women self-defense, and somehow arm the women. Against acid attacks, and all that Taliban crap.

The self-defense training might be a really good thing here. I hope we don't need weapons.

I periodically take basic self-defense classes, to make sure I've got the basics. It's been a long time since my last. I should seek out a new one.


[brick wall] [Votive]

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David Goode
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quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
Honestly, I loathe gendered insults, but in Mrs. Trump's case, what word would you use to describes a woman who has made a career and a life letting various people make use of her body and image?

Why are people here so quick to sit in judgement on Melania Trump? Maybe she just hasn't yet collected her alabaster jar
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So far as Melania is concerned, it's better to aim high, rather than low. I wondered if Michelle Obama had given her phone number - "ring me if it gets tough - for any reason. In confidence. I mean that".

Michelle is a class act; she probably appreciates the unique difficulties Melania is facing.

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