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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I see my self as encouraging every woman to do the best she can to support other women wherever she is, without requiring her to be where I am at. Meeting people where they are rather than where you want them to be. Bridge building. Network building. Finding common ground and going from there.

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I see my self as encouraging every woman to do the best she can to support other women wherever she is, without requiring her to be where I am at. Meeting people where they are rather than where you want them to be. Bridge building. Network building. Finding common ground and going from there.

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A year ago, I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. Now I'm not certain. I think both the Brexit vote and the Trump election have demonstrated that bridge building and finding common ground is currently failing on an epic scale. That we are in a society where demagoguery wins in the face of gentle reason. And that scares me silly. I don't know what the answer to it is, but it seems clear to me at the moment that rationalising, bridge building and networking with a large number of people simply doesn't work.

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Alan Dein talks to his Facebook friends across America about the election of Donald Trump. Just hours after the result, Trump and Clinton supporters alike talk passionately about why they voted the way they did - and share their hopes and fears about the future of the United States. Working through the night, Alan tries to understand what the election has revealed about modern America - from California to Tennessee.

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Don't miss this!!!

"Saturday Night Live" did something truly beautiful tonight. An absolutely perfect tribute to Hillary, to hope, and to someone who died this week.(YouTube) It is one of the best things I've ever seen, anywhere.

But please, please watch that first video. It's beautiful.

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
But surely slut-shaming goes with Christianity as Yorkshire pudding goes with roast beef. That doesn't mean I think all Christians do it, especially on a forum like this. See my story about prostitutes at Mass.

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But surely slut-shaming goes with Christianity as Yorkshire pudding goes with roast beef. That doesn't mean I think all Christians do it, especially on a forum like this. See my story about prostitutes at Mass.

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I have plenty of great anecdotes about human beings. Shall we swap a few?

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Well, if you really want to miss my point, sure.

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Well, if you really want to miss my point, sure.

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Maybe if you had some evidence I wouldn't miss your point.

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Originally posted by mdijon:
It's a core theme of humanity. Yorkshire pudding goes with beef but not sushi or fruit salad. Misogyny goes with Christianity, but also Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, the Labour party, video gaming and fashion.

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I see my self as encouraging every woman to do the best she can to support other women wherever she is, without requiring her to be where I am at. Meeting people where they are rather than where you want them to be. Bridge building. Network building. Finding common ground and going from there.

If you are a wired differently, so be it, but I'd like to believe I am wired the way I am for a reason.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
Stephen Bannon as W.H. strategist? (WaPo link) Can we stop pretending now (he said to America as a whole) that this is going to be business as usual?

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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Godwin's Law looms, almost inevitability, over the aftermath discussions! But who can blame us? 'Breibart' Brannon's appointment in that role is an act of aggression.

I wonder what effect it might have on some fairly jittery stock markets? Never mind the already rattled Washington circles.

I suppose the 'madman' theory may be in play again. But I doubt it. This looks for real. As mousethief says.

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Um...but is Trump emotionally/mentally stable?

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The general description is that he is personality disordered. Narcissist who is the only person who matters, everyone else is an object to be manipulated or used. People are disposable like tissues or plastic bags.

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Thanks for the info.

Actually, I'm hoping SPK will respond because s/he seems very much in favor of Trump, and I wondered if SPK perceived the imbalance that many of the rest of us see.

If someone doesn't perceive the imbalance, or thinks it's more or less election performance art (something I heard on the radio), then supporting Trump is a little more understandable.

FWIW.

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--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")

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Ruth--

Re Obama and not compromising:

What, please, do you think he could have done differently? He has only so much direct, executive power. And IIRC the Democrats weren't always happy with him, so he didn't have partnership there, either.

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The view from 'Airstrip One' will not be of much comfort to you, Golden Key.

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He started with a willingness to compromise without recognizing that he was dealing with people who had no intention of working with him, and thus gave up valuable ground.

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The view from 'Airstrip One' will not be of much comfort to you, Golden Key.

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He started with a willingness to compromise without recognizing that he was dealing with people who had no intention of working with him, and thus gave up valuable ground.

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Hmmmm...I would've thought that attempting compromise makes sense, if no one will work with you.

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Originally posted by Sipech:
Really don't think that petition will come to anything. If you have objections to the methodology of an election, they need to clearly articulated before the result is announced.

Contesting the electoral college system now is nothing more than l'esprit d'escalier.

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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
To be fair, their website does say, "We need to get this done so that the winner of the 2020 election actually reflects the will of the people", so I think they understand that the current election is a lost cause.

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Thanks for the info.

Actually, I'm hoping SPK will respond because s/he seems very much in favor of Trump, and I wondered if SPK perceived the imbalance that many of the rest of us see.

If someone doesn't perceive the imbalance, or thinks it's more or less election performance art (something I heard on the radio), then supporting Trump is a little more understandable.

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Whoever said I was in favour of Trump?!?


I am a Canadian New Democrat, I am so far to the left that I am on another planet.

Yes, the man is imbalanced. I would not say in a clinical sense, but he clearly has issues of a literary hubris nature. His character is deeply flawed, to the point where I would say he has a spot on his soul. But what man's soul is pure when your career was in New York real estate development?

But I won't demonize him to death when his compromise could save millions of people's medical bills.

Besides, I refuse to feed the troll. He is a wind-up merchant and a bullshitter. Politics abounds with these people. But it was said to me that in Canada, the Maritimes expected their politicians to be over-the-top and not completely serious in their promises, while central and western Canadians take every word a politician says literally as either a certain promise or an outright lie.

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Are we going to follow the trump presidency on this thread or should there be a new one?

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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
I think you are both wrong. Patriarchy was the old social model, within which you could find both kindness and misogyny, sometimes mixed up. Patriarchy was an unfair social model, since the stereotypes it implied simply didn't recognise human diversity, in terms
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You can't compromise with someone who won't compromise in return.

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:

I can't believe it would help anything to tell the woman above that she is letting down the team by staying in a sexist institution, or that if she had a problem with the Phrase "First Slut" she isn't really committed. We've had almost a year of every kind of hateful demeaning language thrown at women you can think of; whatever way I am going to fight, it will be in a way that respects the women I am fighting with. They have had enough.

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