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I took my 90 year old father to a dermatologist this week. As the doc carved off 11 basal cell carcinomas, with 4questionable for squamous cell, there was about an hour of talk. Basal cell don't spread. Squamous cell carcinoma can metastisize. Hope it is basal.

The 60ish year old doc talked about the great increase in body area covered in tattoos over the 35 years of practice (after we talked about staying out of the sun). He talked about mercury, cadmium, lead and heavy metals generally, all in tattoo inks. No-one knows exactly the effects of the breakdown over time of the inks and the migration of these toxic metals, and other chemicals into the lymphatic system. People are getting very large body areas covered with tattoos. Laser removal means that the particles are released at once into lymph nodes. No one also knows the effect of sun, metabolism, and ageing on so called safe inks. Organic molecules are formed, not part of the original inks. The doc suspects cancer risks.

I find the tattoo phenomenom hard to understand. People talk of individuality but they are following a trend. It is as individual as having an Iphone and expressing indivduality with a differnt colour of case. That's conformity. It all seems a little sad to me.

Neck and hand tattoos seem very ill advised as they are hard to cover up. I employed a person who we had to require long sleeves and a high collar at work. Small of back tattoos (always on women) seem odd and the colloquial label of "tramp stamp" creates a particularly negative association.

No doubt there are other perspectives. What are they?

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I personally wouldn't get one. But I'm a wimp.

Haven't societies been tattooing people for a very long time? Not sure of the effects of modern chemicals/metals, if as you say there are issues I think it needs to be more widely known.

I guess individuality comes from getting a "unique" tattoo...though some are clearly in-fashion and oft-repeated.

I personally am not offended by them. Some look quite nice. Those that don't...well, they annoy me as much as mid-riffs showing or young men with their pants half-way down their legs so I can see their undies. I look, think "No", and forget about it once I've walked away. I do not associate tattoos with any indication of a person's behaviour or societal status: they are too ubiquitous for that now I think.

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One of the many reasons* I don't want one is my fickleness. When I was the age of some of the kids getting tattoos today, my interests were very, very different from the interests I have today. They've changed many times over the years and probably will continue to do so.

*Other reasons include not finding them attractive and not understanding why someone would want to do that to their bodies pretty much permanently.

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Like with beards, piercings and other forms of bodily adornment, some people look good in them and some don't. The unfortunate truth is that those who don't often think they do.

Personally, I find them offensive in women. I can't look at a tattooed woman. And they're all going to look very funny as little old ladies.

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People need to think about how their tattoos present to the world. I remember ordering pizza from a (male) waiter who had a tattoo of a scantily clad woman on his forearm. A pretty good sized tattoo, so you could see a lot of detail. And given his own arm hair, the woman had a rather hirsute decolletage. I don't mind women not shaving, but....

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
He talked about mercury, cadmium, lead and heavy metals generally, all in tattoo inks.

Some tattoo inks have these. One should go to a tattoo artist who knows what is in their inks and is concerned about their customer's long term health.


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I find the tattoo phenomenom hard to understand. People talk of individuality but they are following a trend. It is as individual as having an Iphone and expressing indivduality with a differnt colour of case. That's conformity. It all seems a little sad to me.

Nothing like lumping a massive number of people together.
First, very few people do much of anything out of pure individuality.
Second, while many people are not truly being individualist when they get ink, some are. It is a range from following the crowd to doing what you want, many people are somewhere in the middle.

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Neck and hand tattoos seem very ill advised as they are hard to cover up. I employed a person who we had to require long sleeves and a high collar at work. Small of back tattoos (always on women) seem odd and the colloquial label of "tramp stamp" creates a particularly negative association.

Kings have had ink. Like anything else, fashion is temporal. High heels were initially a masculine fashion item.

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I don't like tattoos or piercings.

My wife got one on a whim when she accompanied a friend to a tattoo artist. Her friend wimped out at first, as I recall, so my wife got a little butterfly or something on her shoulder. This was many years ago and both the tattoo and my eyesight have seen better days. It has had zero impact on our relationship.

I don't like tattoos or piercings.

My wife has two pierced ears. I often buy her earrings as gifts. I have never bought her a nose ring.

I don't like tattoos or piercings.

Recently, a woman I support wanted to buy a beautiful dress. The salesperson wanted to give her some bling to go with it, but she only had earrings for pierced ears. I wondered whether this was because the shop primarily catered for Goths.

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No, in my experience it's almost unheard of to find clip-on earrings for sale. (Having tried my grandmother's, I can guess why. Ouch.)

I don't care one way or another about tattoos or piercings, though if I've got to look at one, I'd just as soon it not make me go "Ugh." I mean, snakes coming out of skulls, or misspelled words, or just plain crap work...

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
People need to think about how their tattoos present to the world.

Oh, yeah. And there's a double standard here. Go into some family activity with a shirt bearing a picture of a naked woman, and you'll be asked to leave. I've never seen a guy with a naked woman tattoo asked to leave a swimming pool or water park, but I assume it has happened. It's easy to change a shirt, but had to change your skin.
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
People need to think about how their tattoos present to the world.

OK, most people view tattoos through their own prejudices. Even though I have ink myself, I admit to looking with disdain on some tattoos and their placement. And I don't like that I do.
It is oft said that certain tattoos indicate poor judgement and there might be some truth to that.
But it is also true that the person making the judgement is not objective.

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Fashions can change, as can people - but a tattoo is very hard to get rid of.

45 or more years ago, I was doing some volunteer work at a legal centre. A woman came in seeking advice about a tattoo removal. She'd had the tattoo done when she was he, and it had become totally unsuitable. But removals are always difficult and hers had been one of those which had not gone well.

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Polynesians have been doing just fine with them for centuries.

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I dislike red ink - it just looks like the area is sore imo

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Leviticus 19:28 yet.

Yes, we may be under grace, not law, but this couldn't be clearer. But then, I don't like tats, and belong to a generation which in general doesn't.

I also don't like piercings anywhere else other than on ladies' ear lobes where they belong. Nor do I like rings or other bits of metalwork stuck through noses, cheeks, lips or whatever. They just look ugly. It speaks of someone who has something unwholesome about her, or his, self image or sense of identity.

A few days ago, I very nearly went up to someone to hint politely to them 'did they realise that they had a dewdrop on their nose?', when I realised it was some odd piece of wire decoration like a small shackle. Why?

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I have my ears pierced because when I wore earrings all the best ones were for pierced ears (and I totally agree with Lamb Chopped about the pain of clip on ones - the screw on ones were even worse).

I would never have a tattoo due to the pain factor and my indecisiveness, but I am interested in the rise of traditional tattoos among Maori, especially the moko kauae the chin tattoo that was traditionally given to women with high mana (high ranking women).

Huia

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Used to have a fellow walk past our workshop with what looked like a large inky splodge on the side of his face. I thought the poor chap had an unpleasant skin condition until the boss said it was a tattoo.

Can't see the sense of it myself but agree body adornment and permanent alterations go back a very long way in human development. Some say it could be a cry for help.

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Is this a debate thread, or just an opportunity for people who don't like tattoos to express their prejudices?

I wouldn't consider getting one myself. Like Pigwidgeon, I am indecisive and would regret it almost immediately. However if I were 20 or 30 years younger I might think differently. There's been a very abrupt change in Western culture. One of the things which has changed is attitudes towards tattoos.

One might argue that people who get ink are traditionalists. Some of our (European) ancestors wore tattoos - the one mentioned here, for example (Siberian, but definitely Caucasian). It's not just the Polynesians.

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As long as they aren't designed to be offensive - "White Power", "Fuhrer for ever!", "All Fags Must Die" then I file it quite firmly under None Of My Damned Business.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
Can't see the sense of it myself but agree body adornment and permanent alterations go back a very long way in human development. Some say it could be a cry for help.

I think that's a generalisation. Certainly the young men I've seen with "fuck" tattooed across their foreheads* are probably alienated from mainstream society, but I don't think you could say that of the men and women whose tattoos reflect their cultural heritage.

*One bloke tattooed his own forehead using a mirror so he could see what he was doing. Unfortunately (for him) he tattooed the mirror image of what he wanted.

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I thought this comment (from the article on the Siberian princess, referenced above) was particularly interesting:
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'We can say that most likely there was - and is - one place on the body for everyone to start putting the tattoos on, and it was a left shoulder. I can assume so because all the mummies we found with just one tattoo had it on their left shoulders.

And nowadays this is the same place where people try to put the tattoos on, thousands of years on... the person making a tattoo now is getting closer to his ancestors than he or she may realise.' [Dr Natalia Polosmak]



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If I could only get slim and firm, and confident I'd stay that way, I'd have a tattoo on a body part covered by my work clothes but not my swimsuit.

I'd opt for an everlasting truth. A Half Man Half Biscuit or Morrissey/The Smiths lyric.

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A dear friend of mine has a huge spider on the back of her hand with the legs down her fingers.

I'm just about used to it but it still sometimes gives me a jolt of alarm!

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Had my sig tattooed on my right forearm for my 60th. Rob Bell took a picture of it. Verily I have my reward.

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My wife has a bar code on her left shoulder which translates as her date of birth. She gets lots of laughs and interesting conversations out of it. The other tatoos are more hidden. She also has a couple of quite large fishes somewhere, but I've forgotten exactly where - like a lot of things these days. I need to check up, because I might be subject to a spot quiz - like the ones I get when she comes back from the hairdressers. I have an awful feeling I've left one of her tatoos out … Oh yes, and she has ear piercings. In her case it's partly a cultural thing, the culture of a well-known large town in Essex. Coming from suburban Surrey myself it was a slight culture-shock when she first did it, but, like most things you really can get over it if you make the effort.
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OK. Hold onto your hats everyone, I have two tattoos - though technically, I've been tattooed three times..

The first one is on the inside of my right bicep so that when my arm is by my side you can't see it. That was done nearly three years ago and it simply says 'I know that my redeemer lives.'
Last year I had it embellished with clouds and a sunrise behind it to symbolise the resurrection.

My second tattoo is a large Queen crest (as in the rock band) It'sThis one but without the word 'Queen' underneath, and is at the top of my left arm.

Somebody above asked about the Leviticus reference, implying a contradiction with Christians having tattoos. Well, that prohibition is in the context of pagan funerary rites and the practice of marking and cutting the skin 'for the dead.' It's not the same thing.

Someobody once told me that because our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit we shouldn't be mutilating them. My answer to that would simply be 'circumcision' - God was quite happy about chopping bits off - as was Paul it seems. So that argument doesn't cut it (ahem) I'm afraid.

I just hope that my American evangelical brothers who refuse tattoos on the grounds of not spoiling otherwise unblemished bodies are intact in other areas as well [Smile]

As far as being unwise in the context of health risks - indeed; make sure the artist is properly trained, registered, regulated and hygienic.

...Oh, I forgot. My left ear is pierced too; but at nearly 55 I think the days for sporting a gold dangling cross are long gone now [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by wabale:
She also has a couple of quite large fishes somewhere, but I've forgotten exactly where - like a lot of things these days.

There is an old Alas Smith and Jones comedy sketch featuring a fishing champion having a tattoo done. In honour of one of his most memorable catches, he has asked the tattoo artist to ink a pair of enormous pollocks on his back...

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I forgot to add to the OP that MRI scans may by trouble. Metals in some tattooing fluids can heat up. Burns.

Discrimination on the basis of tattoos? Of course. A startling hand, face or neck tattoo will eliminate you from some employment for sure. You would not work in our reception area. Discreet tattoos that don't unduly attract attention or startle are accepted. Work isn't interested in this sort of self expression. It is about serving other people. Tattoos is not a protected human rights category.

Re facial piercings. They generally don't go well with airbags in case of auto accident.

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I put tattooing in the category of “things I personally wouldn’t do but not my business on someone else”. It will have an influence on the way you’re perceived, but so do plenty of other personal styling choices.

However, I do think there is one health issue that isn’t mentioned enough: the so-called “girlie spot” on the lower back. Any young woman who wants to get inked there needs to be thoroughly warned that if she ever wants to have a baby later in life, she will not under any circumstances be able to have an epidural (anaesthetists won’t/can’t inject into a tattoo). I believe this warning is not always given.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
I do not associate tattoos with any indication of a person's behaviour or societal status: they are too ubiquitous for that now I think.

Which is going to depend very much on where you are in the world. In Japan the government has been making a lot of effort to educate people who might deal regularly with tourists, so they know that tattoos as quite common among westerners, and also for westerners to where possible cover up any large or prominant tattoos. In most of Japan someone with obvious tattoos will have difficulty being served in restaurants or bars and may be asked to leave, or allowed into public onsen (hot spring baths) or ryoken (traditional inns). There may even be problems at chain hotels in out of the way places (it's a bit of a problem turning up at a hotel you've booked at 10pm to be told the manager doesn't want to let you in).

It's not too much of a problem in areas with a long history of lots of tourists (Tokyo or Kyoto, for example). But, other areas of Japan are becoming increasingly popular - and, the young and more adventurous tourists who want to see "the real Japan" away from the tourist traps are also those more likely to have tattoos.

In Japan tattoos are associated with behaviour and social status - tattoos are a mark of membership to the Yakuza.

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Although that may not be an absolute: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12477678

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:

Personally, I find them offensive in women. I can't look at a tattooed woman. And they're all going to look very funny as little old ladies.

My 18 year old niece had a tattoo on her abdomen. My sister's (her mother) response was "wait and see what that looks like after you've had a couple of children"

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Personally, I wouldn't want a tattoo or any other piercings other than my pierced ear lobes. I have female friends with nose studs, and that can look nice, although the thought of a nose stud when you have a cold isn't.
I have friends of both sexes who have tattoos, and so I suppose, I've got used to it.
I think the worst piercing I've seen was some years ago - a bloke with a ring through the septum of his nose. He looked just like a bull or pig with a ring in it's nose.

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Personally, I have never wanted a tattoo and agree with the point in the last post about what it would look like on me now!! Apart from the fact that I've shrunk, my arms are thin and the skin loses all its collagen etc. I'm very glad I did not have one. They are certainly something one takes for granted nowadays, though.

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quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I put tattooing in the category of “things I personally wouldn’t do but not my business on someone else”. It will have an influence on the way you’re perceived, but so do plenty of other personal styling choices.

However, I do think there is one health issue that isn’t mentioned enough: the so-called “girlie spot” on the lower back. Any young woman who wants to get inked there needs to be thoroughly warned that if she ever wants to have a baby later in life, she will not under any circumstances be able to have an epidural (anaesthetists won’t/can’t inject into a tattoo). I believe this warning is not always given.

I think that might depend on the types of ink used and/or size of the tat. I was able to have an epidural with no problem. It's also never interfered with MRI/CT scans which can, I'm told, excite particles in some inks and cause heat.

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quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
My 18 year old niece had a tattoo on her abdomen. My sister's (her mother) response was "wait and see what that looks like after you've had a couple of children"

Probably look like one of those pen drawings we used to do on inflated balloons after the air was let out. Maybe not, unless the tattoo is applied in late pregnancy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Some say it could be a cry for help.

I think that's a generalisation. Certainly the young men I've seen with "fuck" tattooed across their foreheads* are probably alienated from mainstream society, but I don't think you could say that of the men and women whose tattoos reflect their cultural heritage.

*One bloke tattooed his own forehead using a mirror so he could see what he was doing. Unfortunately (for him) he tattooed the mirror image of what he wanted

I suppose walking around with KCUF isn't so much a cry for help but more an indication of don't try this at home folks
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Three unrelated comments:

There are, of course, some tattoos needed for medical purposes, such as where to aim the X-ray laser.

A friend of mine who happens to be a Lesbian told me she has a number of tattoos but she could not show them to me as she shows them only to other women.

I have an impression that some colorful tattoo inks will fade over time leaving essentially a brown tattoo.

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Yeah, and I wish those damn kids would get off my lawn.

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Originally posted by rolyn:
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Some say it could be a cry for help.
Some people are idiots.

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Originally posted by Jane R:
Is this a debate thread, or just an opportunity for people who don't like tattoos to express their prejudices?

it is mostly the latter, but there is room for the former if a few people would stop shaking their canes in the air.

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quote:
Originally posted by HCH:
Three unrelated comments:

There are, of course, some tattoos needed for medical purposes, such as where to aim the X-ray laser.

Like my mum. Cancer treatment.
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A friend of mine who happens to be a Lesbian told me she has a number of tattoos but she could not show them to me as she shows them only to other women.

many different reasons for tattoos. Not all of them are about exhibitionism.
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I have an impression that some colorful tattoo inks will fade over time leaving essentially a brown tattoo.

Sun exposure is the chief enemy of tattoos. There will be some fading regardless, but keeping the exposure of the tattooed area to a minimum will prevent a lot of fading.
Part of the idea that all tats will become shapeless blobs is that one most sees tattoos that receive a lot of sun. And some older inks were not formulated for durability.

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There's a minister not far from here who has a cross tattooed on the back of his neck. Whether that's to scare off ISIS or encourage them I don't know, but they're not very active in these parts. Personally, I hate tattoos or intentional disfigurement of any kind, but I try not to impose that feeling on anyone else. I have to keep reminding myself that I have a few of my own, thanks to the b***** radiation oncologist.

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:

I find the tattoo phenomenom hard to understand. People talk of individuality but they are following a trend. It is as individual as having an Iphone and expressing indivduality with a differnt colour of case. That's conformity. It all seems a little sad to me.

By the same token all art galleries are pretty much the same, because it's just paint and canvas.
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My prejudice is that tatoos are 'common'.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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quote:
Originally posted by greenhouse:
By the same token all art galleries are pretty much the same, because it's just paint and canvas.

The pictures can be moved out of sight and rearranged in galleries. I think the analogy breaks down fairly quickly. Though your post makes me wonder about the art saying "all art is limitation, the essence of every picture is the frame". Perhaps the limitation of tattoos is the body.

I'm still thinking about the heavy metals and mutation of organic molecules when the paint isn't metallic, followed by migration into the lymph nodes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:

I'd opt for an everlasting truth. A Half Man Half Biscuit or Morrissey/The Smiths lyric.

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If you decide to have a tattoo, do make sure that the person who's going to do it can spell. I used to work with a young woman who had a scroll on her forearm bearing the words LESBAIN LOVE.
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lilbuddha:
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...it is mostly the latter, but there is room for [debate] if a few people would stop shaking their canes in the air.

Well, I tried... but nobody else seems to be interested in Princess Girl...
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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
lilbuddha:
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...it is mostly the latter, but there is room for [debate] if a few people would stop shaking their canes in the air.

Well, I tried... but nobody else seems to be interested in Princess Girl...
Could mention Ötzi as well. But as your and orfeo's post have generated little response, it would seem that people are not interested in exploring the cultural angle.
IMO, because they would need to examine the irrationality/subjectivity of their predjudice.

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Thanks for the correction to my Western view Alan, and the view of tattoos in Japan. Appreciated.
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