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Fr Weber
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Fr Weber:
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I don't think individual salvation is dependent on getting all the doctrines right.

Of course not--but it might be affected by willful refusal to assent to those doctrines.
Surely salvation is about relationship, not mental assent.
Relationships based on untruths or projections don't usually go well.

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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
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Originally posted by Fr Weber:
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
I don't think individual salvation is dependent on getting all the doctrines right.

Of course not--but it might be affected by willful refusal to assent to those doctrines.
I'm reflecting on what you mean by 'willful refusal'.

In the context, it implies that it's better for laymen to be indifferent to or ignorant of orthodox doctrines than to deliberately oppose them. ...

I'm not sure whether I've got the point, but I think what's being argued, is that fluffy, vague uncertainty in the ill-informed is one thing, but there's a different order which falls over the line into the spiritually risky which endangers a person's immortal soul.

So, a person might say 'well, I suppose I'd call myself a Christian, and as I was brought up one, I'd put 'Methodist' on a hospital admission form. I envy those who've got more faith but I don't really understand how someone can rise from the dead'. That is, sort of, an inadequate faith that might be going towards faith.

Another might say, 'well, well, I suppose I'd call myself a Christian, and as I was brought up one, I'd put 'Methodist' on a hospital admission form, but I don't hold with this mumbo jumbo about Jesus rising from the dead. O no. Not me. Once you're dead, you're dead. People don't rise from the dead. I'm OK with all the stuff about loving your neighbour. The world would be better if people did, and I try to. But I reckon those disciples invented the bit about the tomb so as to win followers.'

That's what I'd understand by wilful refusal.

Of what?

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Originally posted by Fr Weber:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Fr Weber:
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
I don't think individual salvation is dependent on getting all the doctrines right.

Of course not--but it might be affected by willful refusal to assent to those doctrines.
Surely salvation is about relationship, not mental assent.
Relationships based on untruths or projections don't usually go well.
Credo as in 'cardo' - give my heart, not my head, to.

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