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Eutychus
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Caught Fillon's TV interview after the rally. He is certainly getting more airtime than the other candidates due to the scandal.

He appeared unruffled and statesmanlike, which is impressive given the circumstances, as well as unbudgeable as far as relinquishing his candidacy goes. His argument is two-pronged: a) he may not have much party support, but he has grassroots support which is what counts at the ballot box b) he is the only candidate with a plausible manifesto (ie one whose numbers add up).

There is some truth in both of these claims, but it is far from certain that a) would be enough to get him into the second round at this point. I suppose he thinks there's no harm in trying and the damage to him can't get any worse at this point.

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Juppé has just ruled himself out once and for all as a stand-in candidate. The presidential election is now Macron's to lose.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
Juppé has just ruled himself out once and for all as a stand-in candidate. The presidential election is now Macron's to lose.

I think the term is "Can Fillon do a Clinton?" Again, each candidate's major asset is their opponent.

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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Juppé has just ruled himself out once and for all as a stand-in candidate. The presidential election is now Macron's to lose.

Will Sarkozy now try to take the party nomination away from Fillon? Would Sarkozy have a chance in the race against Macron and Le Pen?
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Eutychus
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I think Sarkozy is finished, at least for now. There is a meeting this evening at which they might put pressure on Fillon to give way to another undetermined candidate at some point, but I'd be surprised if he gives ground now to be honest.

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Replacing Fillon with Sarko would be a really stupid move on the part of the Republicans. He’s in trouble with the law himself. Juppé might have been a credible candidate, but not at this point I don’t think. Anyway, I think if Fillon was going to give way, he’d have done it already. Never mind that he seems to be pretty much handing the election to Macron at this point. (Or to Lepen, God help us - but I don't think it's that bad.)

Shorter version: les Républicains sont foutus (the Republicans are screwed)

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Replacing Fillon with Sarko would be a really stupid move on the part of the Republicans. He’s in trouble with the law himself. Juppé might have been a credible candidate, but not at this point I don’t think. Anyway, I think if Fillon was going to give way, he’d have done it already. Never mind that he seems to be pretty much handing the election to Macron at this point. (Or to Lepen, God help us - but I don't think it's that bad.)

Shorter version: les Républicains sont foutus (the Republicans are screwed)

What scares me looking on as an outsider is that the anti-Le Pen crowd seem to be pinning their hopes on a liberal. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the French right and left united in their hatred of liberalism (which is often called "Anglo-Saxon liberalism" there)? Isn't it just too easy to pain Macron as a young, opportunistic, globalist financier who is out of touch with the concerns of the majority of French? It seems almost like when so much of the US pinned our hope on Hillary, although she wasn't nearly as young and was more of a political insider (although a former Finance Minister is still a political insider in my book, despite his lack of experience in running for office).
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
That said, referring to specific incidents (of which there were undoubtedly many, it appears hard to find anyone in France above a certain age who doesn't know a perpetrator or at least a witness) as crimes against humanity is by no means the same thing as describing colonisation as a whole that way.

I'm trying to imagine the reaction were someone to describe British colonialism in the same terms. [Roll Eyes]
The Ess-Aitch-One-Tee would hit the fan in no uncertain terms. As witness the distinguished and eminent figures who were aghast to discover recently that admiration for the late Cecil Rhodes was not what it was. It wouldn't alter the fact, of course, that Mr (or Ms) unpopular would be basically right. We have an example of a European power which treated other European states as European states treated African and Asian states in the 1940s. It's not, generally, a good idea to remark that they were men of their time and we should not judge.

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In a surprise move, Fillon moved forward his appointment with the judges to today.

The media irritation is palpable and hilarious - the pundits were obviously still working on their commentary and there was nobody there to take pictures.

The charges turn out to be
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diverting public funds, complicity in misappropriating funds, receiving the funds and not declaring assets fully.
I suspect that at the end of the day, if anything is made to stick it will be that third, relatively minor offence; but the damage has been done.

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stonespring
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Here are some fake news stories (fake according to the BBC) regarding the French election making the rounds on social media:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39265777

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By the way, does anyone know much about this Le Canard Enchaine newspaper that has been breaking all the corruption scandals? I had never heard of it before. Is it well respected? How much is it known for humor/satire vs serious journalism? Does it lean to a particular side politically or is it under the influence of any powerful person or lobby? Is it known for being objective compared to other French media?
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Le Canard Echaîné is roughly the equivalent of the UK's Private Eye and quite widely read. It has a consistently satirical take on the news but its leaks are usually high-quality and not infrequently have repercussions.

During the Fillon scandal stringers from all the political parties were filmed queuing up to get the Wednesday edition hot off the presses on Tuesday night.

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A televised debate is in full swing between the five top-polling candidates.

Fillon is almost invisible, Macron is nodding agreement to everyone except Marine Le Pen, on whom he has landed some pretty resounding blows, and Melanchon has proved surprisingly (to me) eloquent.

My vote is still firmly with Hamon, and I think Melanchon might have stolen some points from Le Pen.

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